Escape System v2.0 [eleljrk]

Moderator · Sep 15, 2009

16:14, 24th Sep 2009
Hanky:
This will be useful for GUI users who don't know how to make the main triggers for a slide escape. The system isn't perfect yet but still helpful for some people. If you could add some more documentation about "how the system work" etc. it would be even more handy for some people.

How I already said I'll rate this "useful" since maybe some people need something like this.

Anachron · Sep 15, 2009

I have made a slide system with:
No Group used
No Point used
No GUI used.

Its about 1000x better

Anyway, this is really basic.. I suggest allowing diffrent speed on diffrent tiles.

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

Looks like a fail for me. Unstoppable sliding, presetting every unit to the system, using Integer A, pausing units every 0.05 seconds, they are unable to cast or attack, but can be easily damaged. You even know 1 possible bug, but still uploades the system here, lol >< Rule violation, huh?

For me sliding system should be like non-leakin and non-lagging ice, on which I will just have my unit really sliding, which means he will be able to cast and attack, won't be paused, but has a bigger speed with fading on coming to the target position of an issued order and sliding a bit further than it. <-- That's sliding, not unstoppable instant moving on units...

EDIT: To Anachron,
Well, where is it?

I'm definetily sure, I've already seen one, but didn't manage to find it again to give a link to this guy.

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Anachron said:
I have made a slide system with:
No Group used
No Point used
No GUI used.

Its about 1000x better

This is not a place to recommand your own systems.. But, you havent uploaded it anyway.. (Not on HiveWorkShop.com at least)

Anachron said:
I suggest allowing diffrent speed on diffrent tiles.

Thanks for idea, i will do!

Aspard said:
Pausing units every 0.05 seconds, they are unable to cast or attack, but can be easily damaged.

Sliding is not for damaging enemies.. Its basicly for sliding. And you can turn on and off this function in setup!

Aspard said:
You even know 1 possible bug, but still uploades the system here, lol >< Rule violation, huh?

What? I dont know about any bugs in this version? I removed all known bugs!

Aspard said:
For me sliding system should be like non-leakin and non-lagging ice, on which I will just have my unit really sliding.

Well.. This does not lagg, and i dont see any leaks.. (Im maby a bit new, but i dont, so if you do.. TELL ME)

Aspard said:
Which means he will be able to cast and attack, won't be paused, but has a bigger speed with fading on coming to the target position of an issued order and sliding a bit further than it. <-- That's sliding, not unstoppable instant moving on units...

You are able to cast and attack, the "No move" is set to off, you can turn on if you would like to.. It is supose to be unstoppable if im right..? (You stop if you hit something thats not ice)

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

About the possible bug:

Mail me: [email protected] or go to HiveWorkShop.com for questions.

This system is made by: eleljrk
If you use this system, add him as thanks to!

OBS: There is 1 bug, dont select many units and move at same time!

From the map

And I can't attack or cast a spell during sliding, because I have a command "Stop" every 0.05 seconds. And btw, Helicopter sliding? ;D

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Opps.. ^^ Forgot to remove from last version. Thanks for that.

Aspard said:
And I can't attack or cast a spell during sliding, because I have a command "Stop" every 0.05 seconds. And btw, Helicopter sliding? ;D

Aha, thats why.. ^^

I will see if i can fix that! And yes, helicopter sliding

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

Helicopter can't slide... He flyes! ;D

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Aspard said:
Helicopter can't slide... He flyes! ;D

Ok.. ^^

Now, ive updated and added and removed some stuff!

Enjoy a improved version!

Version 1.2
by eleljrk

- Removed some "leak" or "unefective" actions.
- Removed "turn around" chose.
- Added Dark Ice as none moving ice!
- Improved most of the triggers!

And sorry.. Ive not added "spell" thing yet..
- And for Anachron
Hehe.. Now your not the only one without points ^^ (I just had points for making it look more simple..)

EDIT:

eleljrk said:
And sorry.. Ive not added "spell" thing yet..

I found out that you can use Paladins - "Divine Shield".
So you can use spells with no channeling / cast time!

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

I dislike the idea I can't rotate the units now... ;(

But, nvm, that's just IMO.

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Aspard said:
I dislike the idea I can't rotate the units now... ;(

But, nvm, that's just IMO.

Im sorry.. What you mean? :s

D4RK_G4ND4LF · Sep 15, 2009

eleljrk said:
Anachron said:

I have made a slide system with:
No Group used
No Point used
No GUI used.

Its about 1000x better

Click to expand...

This is not a place to recommand your own systems.. But, you havent uploaded it anyway.. (Not on HiveWorkShop.com at least)

epic...just epic xD
made my day

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Tell me, whats the funny with it? :s

Sheephunter · Sep 15, 2009

This systhem is pritty good, but can you make so you don't need to make a stering for evry unit, just make a unit group, then move picked unit bla bla.
And btw change the speed to 10 and the evry time per sec to 0.02 Mutch better slide

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Sheephunter said:
This systhem is pritty good, but can you make so you don't need to make a stering for evry unit, just make a unit group, then move picked unit bla bla.
And btw change the speed to 10 and the evry time per sec to 0.02 Mutch better slide

0.02 is also more lagg.. :/ And it will maby make the spells even more worthless.

About the group, i am working on that, version 1.0 didnt need any of the setups, but it was buged. I will see what i can do for you my lord, as they say.. :con:

i think..

Anyway, thanks for the reply!

UPDATE:
Pictures added! Enjoy! :grin:

StaberFire · Sep 15, 2009

eleljrk said:
I found out that you can use Paladins - "Divine Shield".
So you can use spells with no channeling / cast time!

It has to do with the units casting point, not the spells casting time.

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

StaberFire said:
It has to do with the units casting point, not the spells casting time.

Why you think so?

Its updating (stoping) every 0.5 secound.. That meas, canceling / stoping abilities from beeing casted. I cant see any relation between Casting Point and time.

If you do, tell me.

EDIT:
Please give +Rep if you think i desevre..

(As you may see, im a bit poor of reputation)
Rate what you think it worth! And dont have in mind of own / other systems.
Aprove? Reject? Someone? ^^

Shdow89 · Sep 15, 2009

D4RK_G4ND4LF said:
epic...just epic xD
made my day

Ahahahaha!!! Nice one xD.

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Can someone stay on topic?

StaberFire · Sep 15, 2009

eleljrk said:
Why you think so?
Its updating (stoping) every 0.5 secound.. That meas, canceling / stoping abilities from beeing casted. I cant see any relation between Casting Point and time.

If you do, tell me.

Casting Point isn't a point as in location, it's a factor of the units spell animation. It's the amount of seconds into the animation at which the spell is actually cast.

let's say your system is causing a unit to be stopped every 0.4 second, but that unit has a 0.75 second casting point. That unit will be unable to cast any spells. A unit that has 0.00 second casting point will always be able to cast spells, but that will not look good, as the spell will be cast before the appropriate time in the animation.

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

You see, I like your tenacity and hard-working, but this system should be updated much more... I feel something is missing. And it's very important, but I can't get what definetily. Maybe that's possible usage? ... What will happen, if I can't turn units, but there is a wall in front of me? oO Flying units shouldn't slide... All those problems with attacks and spells... And even more such a sliding isn't realistic, I've already told you, how I imagine REAL sliding, not unstoppable, but to the target point + some additional distance with a high speed at the beggining lowering up to the end...

Septimus · Sep 15, 2009

Please give +Rep if you think i desevre.. (As you may see, im a bit poor of reputation)
Rate what you think it worth! And dont have in mind of own / other systems.
Aprove? Reject? Someone? ^^

Asking for reputation is as good as asking for trouble. If there is any staff that are as cruel as Mecheon still exist, you would probably receive -6 by now.

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

Looks not like direct asking ;P It even has conditions

IaMfReNcH · Sep 15, 2009

0.02 is more lagg. That's true. But it can run with 0.02.

Then, you shall use 0.03 : it's the upper delay with a really smooth movement. 0.05 hurts my eyes. In order to be able to cast, you may use Custom script: call SetUnitX(udg_TMPUNITVAR, udg_TMPREALVAR). Just replace TMPUNITVAR by a temp unit variable name in which you set the unit before calling. Then, replace TMPREALVAR with a real variable name in which you set the X coordinate of the unit. Do the same with SetUnitY.

Then, set movement speed to 0 on ice, so it won't be able to move + slide. Enventually store previous value into an array.
I think setting movement speed to 0 won't prevent to turn. But if it does, it's benefit : on dark ice, you won't need to pause, so it'll be able to cast spells. And to allow turn on other ices, you will only need a trigger that listen to "move" order and gather the target location, then order unit to face loc over 0.00, and it'll do over normal turn speed.

As I remember on previous experiments, what I said should be correct, but since I'm not testing it now, it can be a mistake.

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

StaberFire said:
Casting Point isn't a point as in location, it's a factor of the units spell animation. It's the amount of seconds into the animation at which the spell is actually cast.

let's say your system is causing a unit to be stopped every 0.4 second, but that unit has a 0.75 second casting point. That unit will be unable to cast any spells. A unit that has 0.00 second casting point will always be able to cast spells, but that will not look good, as the spell will be cast before the appropriate time in the animation.

Thanks for that! I will rememver, maby even try to fix that..!..

Aspard said:
You see, I like your tenacity and hard-working, but this system should be updated much more... I feel something is missing. And it's very important, but I can't get what definetily. Maybe that's possible usage? ... What will happen, if I can't turn units, but there is a wall in front of me? oO Flying units shouldn't slide... All those problems with attacks and spells... And even more such a sliding isn't realistic, I've already told you, how I imagine REAL sliding, not unstoppable, but to the target point + some additional distance with a high speed at the beggining lowering up to the end...

Hehe.. Ill see what i can do.
And im not sure yet whats missing.. And i cant feel any.. "Pain" inside me that there is anything.. ^^

Septimus said:
Asking for reputation is as good as asking for trouble. If there is any staff that are as cruel as Mecheon still exist, you would probably receive -6 by now.

Ehh.. If i got -6, i would have -5 (But, thanks from a random person i got 2 now!) so -4.. :hohum:

Aspard said:
Looks not like direct asking ;P It even has conditions

If ( Unit ( Aspard ) ask a question ( stupid ))
then
{
explode unit ( asking unit ) and ban him for 10 years
}

And if you ask where this scripts comes from, its Game Makers 7.0 PRO ^^

EDIT:

IaMfReNcH said:
0.02 is more lagg. That's true. But it can run with 0.02.

Then, you shall use 0.03 : it's the upper delay with a really smooth movement. 0.05 hurts my eyes. In order to be able to cast, you may use Custom script: call SetUnitX(udg_TMPUNITVAR, udg_TMPREALVAR). Just replace TMPUNITVAR by a temp unit variable name in which you set the unit before calling. Then, replace TMPREALVAR with a real variable name in which you set the X coordinate of the unit. Do the same with SetUnitY.

Then, set movement speed to 0 on ice, so it won't be able to move + slide. Enventually store previous value into an array.
I think setting movement speed to 0 won't prevent to turn. But if it does, it's benefit : on dark ice, you won't need to pause, so it'll be able to cast spells. And to allow turn on other ices, you will only need a trigger that listen to "move" order and gather the target location, then order unit to face loc over 0.00, and it'll do over normal turn speed.

As I remember on previous experiments, what I said should be correct, but since I'm not testing it now, it can be a mistake.

I didnt understand much of this.. :/

Aspard · Sep 15, 2009

What? I didn't ask any stupid questions =\

eleljrk · Sep 15, 2009

Aspard said:
What? I didn't ask any stupid questions =\

No, you didnt, i just joked.

UPDATE!

Version 1.3
by eleljrk

- Renamed the project from "Slide and Ice - System" to "Escape System"!
- Added damage tiles.
- Added death tiles.
- Added revive points / units.
- Fixed and improved setup and added settings trigger.

Enjoy the new system! A whole new concept!

Download it and test it out NOW! Check out the Pictures!

EDIT:

NEW UPDATE.. omg, same reply! O.,o

Version 1.4
by eleljrk

- Added killer units. (Units that kill when you get close)

Enjoy this new units! This is very flexible. :O

IaMfReNcH · Sep 16, 2009

well, 0.03 is the upper value an escape maker can use. It's the highest delay with a smooth movement. So never put value higher than 0.03. It currently hurts my eyes.
Then, you wont need to pause on darkice, because the unit won't be able to turn with such a delay. To allow turning, just do it via another trigger handling move order and use the action Set unit face to loc 0.00 (and avoid leak here).

Then, why didn't you added locust to your creeps ?

eleljrk · Sep 16, 2009

IaMfReNcH said:
well, 0.03 is the upper value an escape maker can use. It's the highest delay with a smooth movement. So never put value higher than 0.03. It currently hurts my eyes.

Mhmm.. Intressting idea, ive had a person with 0.02, but i think that would be to laggy.. And 0.03, well.. With to many triggers, and to big map, its gonna be laggy. But ok, persons with bad computers is behind this generation.. I think..

IaMfReNcH said:
Then, you wont need to pause on darkice, because the unit won't be able to turn with such a delay. To allow turning, just do it via another trigger handling move order and use the action Set unit face to loc 0.00 (and avoid leak here).

I allready have a trigger for turning around. And thanks for the idea.

IaMfReNcH said:
Then, why didn't you added locust to your creeps ?

What is locust?.. Hmm...

Aspard · Sep 16, 2009

From my experience, talking about "Locust" mean talking about "Aloc" ability (That's a Raw Code of the Anub'Araks little-minions which are spawned during his ultimate) and this is made to make units unpickable.

Combining it with neutral invulnerability we can get perfect dummy unit - uncontrollable, unpickable and immune. That's the way we all here do it.

eleljrk · Sep 16, 2009

Aha!
And i see why too, i will do!

IaMfReNcH · Sep 16, 2009

then, for the SetUnitX and SetUnitY, they are JASS functions that allow you unit moving (like Move unit to loc), but without a stop order, so it can use target casts. (but then, you'll have to set movement to 0 on ice, because the unit are still able to move.)

Set temploc = point with polar offset
Set tempreal = X coord of loc temploc
Set tempunit = unit beeing computed
Custom script: call SetUnitX(udg_tempunit, udg_tempreal)
Set tempreal = Y coord of loc temploc
Custom script: call SetUnitY(udg_tempunit, udg_tempreal)

Sheephunter · Sep 16, 2009

The slide systhem still looks like your geting teleported forword insted of realy slide, Change the speed of the evrytime triggering to 0.02 and the speed to 15, Mutch better slide, and I son't see how it laggs.

eleljrk · Sep 16, 2009

IaMfReNcH said:
then, for the SetUnitX and SetUnitY, they are JASS functions that allow you unit moving (like Move unit to loc), but without a stop order, so it can use target casts. (but then, you'll have to set movement to 0 on ice, because the unit are still able to move.)

Set temploc = point with polar offset

Set tempreal = X coord of loc temploc

Set tempunit = unit beeing computed

Custom script: call SetUnitX(udg_tempunit, udg_tempreal)

Set tempreal = Y coord of loc temploc

Custom script: call SetUnitY(udg_tempunit, udg_tempreal)

If i think over it, it is awsome. But right now, when im not thinking over it, its a bit.. To much.

Can you give a better "description"?

and now, what everybody have waited for.. (Yah..):
UPDATE:

Version 1.5
by eleljrk

- Added Locust to units. (killers)
- Removed "No Move slide" trigger and moved the actions to "Slide"
- Set the time to 0.03 instead of 0.05 / Changed normal slide speed
- Added special effect to Damage!
- Added this short thanks to:
- - - * Aspard - Not for so much, but for beeing there.. O.,o
- - - * IaMfReNcH - For his great ideas! Thanks alot

EDIT:

Sheephunter said:
The slide systhem still looks like your geting teleported forword insted of realy slide, Change the speed of the evrytime triggering to 0.02 and the speed to 15, Mutch better slide, and I son't see how it laggs.

Funny.. Didnt update it before now, so why should it be any change?

Deuterium · Sep 16, 2009

Well to me idea seems a bit basic (that's from a vJass coder angle), but it might be really useful for others...
However, I didn't check the coding, so I can't judge on that

eleljrk · Sep 19, 2009

UPDATE:

Version 1.6
by hell gate

- Fixed alot of Leaks. Around 10-20!

Comment from eleljrk:
- Thanks alot man, good job and much more smoothe and stable! (OBS: And harder, units moves a bit faster)

--

All thanks goes to Hell Gate for a more smoothe and stable version of: Escape System!

Aspard · Sep 20, 2009

Testmap needs to be improved. It's nearly impossible to pass through the first two waves of blue units and this makes impossible to escape from the starting square surrounded by lava.

Also you should think off a better testing system in case of heroes. Make one hero so, that it's revived instatntly at the beggining! Otherwise, we have to reload the map every four unsuccessful tryes

Otherwise, there are impressive! advance since the first time you've uploaded this system! Good job.

eleljrk · Sep 20, 2009

Ive made trought the map, so it IS possible.
At the end its barrels, trees and gates just to see how the system works with collisions.

About that with "Dying units revive". Im gonna do like Polar Escape.
( Creates a Circle of Power when unit dies )

Right now im working on Battle for Honor, so it have to wait a bit.

- Anything else?

UPDATED:

Version 1.7
by eleljrk

- Removed some sence of lagg.
- Fixed some leak.
- Damage tiles is now cooler, and does more damage!

Enjoy my FINAL release!

Aspard · Sep 24, 2009

It is approved at last!

Congrats!

eleljrk · Sep 24, 2009

I asked Hanky to Review it!

Thanks to everybody helping me with this!

Sinthoras · Sep 25, 2009

You could also make the wind walk work so it ignores collision and you dont die... But I can only think of disabling collision trigger for Wind walk duration for one player but that would be good if you had only one unit.

eleljrk · Sep 25, 2009

Sinthoras said:
You could also make the wind walk work so it ignores collision and you dont die... But I can only think of disabling collision trigger for Wind walk duration for one player but that would be good if you had only one unit.

Thats simple to add.

Here is an example:

WindWalk
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
- Conditions
  - (Ability being cast) Equal to Wind Walk
- Actions
  - Set integer_windwalk = (integer_windwalk + 1)
  - Set Boolean_use_windwalk[integer_windwalk] = True

And then just add the boolean to the "Killer" trigger. Use an IF and a "For Integer.. bla..bla.. LOOP" and a set false and then whops, it works..

Arnadath · Oct 23, 2009

system sux but is in gui so everyone understands.
As for the game, i found a bug. you can conjure a water elemental and send it to every circle you want OMG

nooblet · Oct 23, 2009

Arnadath said:
system sux

you said the same thing about my system. Care to explain your reasoning?

It's not very helpful criticism when you don't explain why..

--
Edit:
I do enjoy the system, nothing really wrong with it. It could be better if some triggers were done in JASS, but *most of* the type of people that usually make escapes don't use/know JASS.

Also, using terrain checks usually gives a "tight" path, and a lot of mazers don't like that..

eleljrk · Oct 23, 2009

@Arnadath Well, its not my problem what spells you chose to add to your heroes.. Im not gonna create your heroes.
And why does it sux? Cus you dont know anything of GUI and dont understand it?

@nooblet Why should i JASS? I dont even know JASS... -.-
Well, you can create Region death if you want to, but i just have to say.. Gooooood luck!

Arnadath · Oct 25, 2009

I know much better GUI than you. I said the game sux, not the system

IaMfReNcH · Oct 28, 2009

Arnadath said:
system sux

So, you didn't said the system sucks ?

KingofCakes · Oct 28, 2009

I like your system. Its very usefull for me cuz i didnt know how to do it before, But can you add mirror ice to your system . (if u dont want to just say where i can find help ) THX xD

eleljrk · Oct 29, 2009

KingofCakes said:
I like your system. Its very usefull for me cuz i didnt know how to do it before, But can you add mirror ice to your system . (if u dont want to just say where i can find help )

Ok, since you ask so nice i will..

Arnadath · Oct 29, 2009

Man its an ok system GUI and nowdays leakless. Also approved.

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