Defense of the Randoms 0.19 b

Moderator · May 4, 2009

15:50, 8th May 2009 by bounty hunter2:
Quite an interesting defense map, I don't recall seeing any like this before. Basically you train units to defend the main building, however you train a level x random unit from your barracks, so anything can pop out, making the game quite entertaining.

My complains go on heroes, I pressed yes, and yet I didn't have any lumber to buy one. Then I checked the quest log and it didn't tell me where could I acquire lumber.

Next, the terrain, it was done poorly, you should practice your terrain skills, making the terrain a lot more interesting and more linked to the game.

Some other tips, such as the worker units. When I got peons or peasants, wisps or acolytes, they would just defend if they were attacked, they were passive. I had to order them to attacks since they are build units. You should also remove all the unnecesary abilities from the units.

The size of the map is a big plus, however you could add a multiboard perhaps, images to the submission here aswell. All in all a nice start to a map, Approved with a 2/5 (Lacking) rating.

Vadim 647 · May 5, 2009

A pretty good map so far. I'm interested in developing this one. PM me if you want hand of help.

Zelda.Alex · May 6, 2009

>>You need to place some in-game info. A little like about the income rate.
>>The terrain is really bad. no height variations. Also the tile variation is nearly zero.
>>The environment is bad. Wildlife, doodads are needed.
>>More modes?

f0rsAk3n · May 6, 2009

Review #1

Originality: Defense of the randoms is a game unlike non other ive ever seen before. the concept of the game is to summons units, you get different levels of randomness (teehee

). The map has a advanced way of playing and its really exciting, although it can use with more modes and difficulty levels.

Balancing: Well i played this solo, then with some of my friends. Its really hard solo, witch is way i suggested more difficulty levels. Some of the units are stronger then others, but i guess thats the excitement that this game holds. I really laughed at my 1 friend. he was like " DUDE I JUST KILLED A ZERG " <-- hehe noob.

Terrain: Terrain in this map can use lots of work. Tile variations, more tiles, doodads, perhaps some trees, waterfalls =D, its really really really really really (oh wait im spamming again -_-) flat. Raise the plateau a little would you

/

Lag: Ok, this is always hard for me to rate, because i got such an updated pc, but it seems like theres no trigger flaws or anything, and you've not overdone the unit spawn, so yea, guess there shouldn't, i repeat, shouldn't , be any lag.

Bugs: Well theres when i build the tower it takes forever to finish -.- really can you lower the build time a little. Also it would be cool if some units can have various abilities.

Initial Impression: Well when i 1st started the map, the thing that cough my eye was the red runes used on the ground. Also terrain would really help you out at this aspect. Also maybe a map preview? or loading screen?

Originality: 25\30 (really original)
Balancing: 13\30 (more modes\difficulty plz )
Fun factor: 5\10 (me and my friends enjoyed this, but the terrain is a downfall)
Terrain: 3\10 (lacking terrain, needs more work...like...alot =D)
Lag: 7\10 (some of my friends experienced some lag. not that bad though)
Description 2\5 (you need a better description at THW, also the map in-game isnt well presented)
Initial Impression: 3\5 (needs more polishing)
*Extra points* ~ the map is small (+2)

Final Rating: 60\100 [3/5] {Useful}

Final Comment: Map has awesome potential, i really like the idea and the concept behind the game. A little more work and you will have a really great map.

Review #2

Originality: Defense of the randoms is a game unlike non other ive ever seen before. the concept of the game is to summons units, you get different levels of randomness (teehee

). The map has a advanced way of playing and its really exciting, although it can use with more modes and difficulty levels. v0.15a has lots of improvements futuring lots of modes and more randomness items. This map is starting to become legend.

Balancing: Well i played this solo, then with some of my friends. Its really hard solo, witch is way i suggested more difficulty levels. Some of the units are stronger then others, but i guess thats the excitement that this game holds. I really laughed at my 1 friend. he was like " DUDE I JUST KILLED A ZERG " <-- hehe noob. v0.15 has lots more balancing not only in units, but heroes\items as well.

Terrain: Terrain in this map can use lots of work. Tile variations, more tiles, doodads, perhaps some trees, waterfalls =D, its really really really really really (oh wait im spamming again -_-) flat. Raise the plateau a little would you

. v.15a futures a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE ... lol ... terrain improvement. lots of tile variations\doodads\non flat. I like what youve done with it.

Lag: Ok, this is always hard for me to rate, because i got such an updated pc, but it seems like theres no trigger flaws or anything, and you've not overdone the unit spawn, so yea, guess there shouldn't, i repeat, shouldn't , be any lag.

Bugs: Well when i build the tower it takes forever to finish -.- really can you lower the build time a little. Also it would be cool if some units can have various abilities. -Fixed

Initial Impression: Well when i 1st started the map, the thing that cough my eye was the red runes used on the ground. Also terrain would really help you out at this aspect. Also maybe a map preview? v.15a futures a interesting map preview that really give the game some looks.

Originality: 26\30 (really original -updated)
Balancing: 21\30 (more modes\difficulty plz -updated. )
Fun factor: 7.7\10 (me and my friends enjoyed this, but the terrain is a downfall -updated)
Terrain: 6.5\10 (lacking terrain, needs more work...like...alot =D - updated)
Lag: 7\10 (some of my friends experienced some lag. not that bad though)
Description 2\5 (you need a better description at THW, also the map in-game isnt well presented - I still think you should upgrade this.)
Initial Impression: 4\5 (needs more polishing-updated)
*Extra points* ~ the map is small (+2)

Final Rating: 77\100 [4/5] {Recommended}

Final Comment: v15a has a huge improvement. I really recommend this game to anyone. Host this game online, its lots of fun. I still suggest this though:
Improve your description, maybe add a few screenshots, or provide a mini changelog or something.
Some of the heroes buttons isn;t well placed. Fixing this should help alot. Other than that, great map, keep it up.

f0rsAk3n · May 6, 2009

how about you shhht, i was gonna remove that and edit it with my review. so please, mind your own business. also its a joke, but someone as boring as you obviously dont understand the concept of "dude it was just a joke".

Xylion · May 6, 2009

This is HARD AS FUCK, but I like it hard

how many lvls have you made?

spacevet · May 6, 2009

I liked it. It was random and funny =)
Possible to win solo if ur lucky too XD

Nylky · May 6, 2009

Well theres when i build the tower it takes forever to finish -.- really can you lower the build time a little.

Towers idea is to be built slow, they got good price/quality relationship. I think i'll put it little lower tought

This is HARD AS FUCK, but I like it hard how many lvls have you made?

40 levels

I will continue making this map, it's not even nearly finished.

ap0calypse · May 6, 2009

First Review:

General

General:

Bad description (both in-game as on the hive).

No difficulty choices

You need luck to win

Gameplay:

Very repetitive

Only a limited option of units (but it's random, I know... still not enough choices)

It's very hard... a game should be playable for both newbs and pro's.

Terrain/Objects

Terrain:

It's a bad terrain, it's a straight line towards an energy generator with 2 sides.

Blizzard cliffs for walls

Overdone doodads (the pikes)

Objects:

A lot of units haven't been changed

Spells haven't been changed

The button position is a mess

Overall

Well, I like the idea (it has been done before, but still...), but there is a lot missing, like the description, Add more custom units, at least change the standard units.
Create more items (no standard items, please), add custom spells to some units.
Add a description, which is very important!
Edit the terrain a little, don't overdo the doodads, just make it look better.
Redo the Button Position (more gold from left to right is always a good idea)

I just hope your triggers aren't leaking

Rating: 2/5
Vote for Rejection untill further notice

Reason:
This map can easily be approved, since it's a good concept, but it isn't finished at all.
Adding a description would be a great improvement.

Ohh, another idea is to buy items that will increase your luck of getting better units/items.
You could say that the chance of getting a unit is (for example) 5 + LuckTicket[player number] % chance.
The LuckTicket is of course a variable, which represents an item (or you can use food).

Random terrain every time you play would be a nice extra

Second Review:

[ √ ] Description has been changed in-game, more description could be available:

How to get Gold/Lumber
Which Random units are there?
A changelog

[ √ ] The terrain is a lot better.
[ √ ] A difficulty-mode has been added (but what does it do exactly?) + an extra mode incoming.
[ √ ] 3 items have been added, not really much, but it's a start.
[ √ ] A little text-message has been added
[ √ ] Standard units haven't been customized
[ √ ] The Button Position is still a bit of a mess
[ √ ] Tooltips could be improved

Overall:
The game has been improved, a basic description is available and the game is playable.
The rating stays 2/5 (I'm sorry, it's getting closer to 3/5, though), but I will vote for approval now.

Bug Found:
"Asure strike" says it requires "Triple Attack", while I maxed out that ability and I can't use it.

Third Review:

[ √ ] The description could still be improved

Basic game info (where to get units/items)
How to get Gold/Lumber
Which Random units are there?

[ √ ] Icons have been placed in a good order
[ √ ] More units/heroes/items have been added
[ √ ] Icons have been placed in a good order
[ √ ] Random items, good idea.

[ √ ] A little text-message has been added
[ √ ] The fun-mode isn't completed yet
[ √ ] The most difficult difficulty is really insane

[ √ ] Some standard units still haven't been customized
[ √ ] It is: "You can now buy a hero", or "heroes".

Overall:
The game has been improved, a basic description is available, the game isn't too hard at novice, but as the difficulty increases, it's impossible to win.
My rating is now 3.4/5 (3/5).
Don't be bothered by the 'low' rating, it means "useful" and is actually 68%

hookah · May 7, 2009

ap0calypse said:
Review:

General

General:

Bad description (both in-game as on the hive).

No difficulty choices

You need luck to win

Gameplay:

Very repetitive

Only a limited option of units (but it's random, I know... still not enough choices)

It's very hard... a game should be playable for both newbs and pro's.

Terrain/Objects

Terrain:

It's a bad terrain, it's a straight line towards an energy generator with 2 sides.

Blizzard cliffs for walls

Overdone doodads (the pikes)

Objects:

A lot of units haven't been changed

Spells haven't been changed

The button position is a mess

Overall

Well, I like the idea (it has been done before, but still...), but there is a lot missing, like the description, Add more custom units, at least change the standard units.
Create more items (no standard items, please), add custom spells to some units.
Add a description, which is very important!
Edit the terrain a little, don't overdo the doodads, just make it look better.
Redo the Button Position (more gold from left to right is always a good idea)

I just hope your triggers aren't leaking

Rating: 2/5
Vote for Rejection untill further notice

Reason:
This map can easily be approved, since it's a good concept, but it isn't finished at all.
Adding a description would be a great improvement.

Ohh, another idea is to buy items that will increase your luck of getting better units/items.
You could say that the chance of getting a unit is (for example) 5 + LuckTicket[player number] % chance.
The LuckTicket is of course a variable, which represents an item (or you can use food).

Random terrain every time you play would be a nice extra

"You shouldn't judge it yet"

P@ker · May 7, 2009

indeed.

I think this map got guts.

4/5 +rep

ap0calypse · May 7, 2009

hookah said:
"You shouldn't judge it yet"

I'm sorry, I know it isn't finished (and I've read the description), but you need to live with that rating.
A rating allows the people to see the current state of the map, not how it is going to be.
This map has potential to get a 4/5 (not a 5/5 though), work on it and I will change that rating.

Improve the description and edit the standard units and it will be approved, that can't be hard, can it?

A rating doesn't only allow the players to check the state of the map, but it is also a reference for you, to check how much work there still is on your map and you can always think how to improve the rating (I have given you tips for that).

I think I have given you enough reasons for this map to be 2/5, since you didn't even change some of the standard units.
I've also said "Untill further notice", that means I will keep track of this map untill it is ready for approval.

Above that, The map isn't balanced:
3 level 1 units can beat 1 level 2 unit and 10 level 1 units can easily beat a level 4 unit.

(and yes, I know you aren't the creator -.- this message is ment for him and for you, though).

Edit:
Review #2 has been added.
You can watch the previous review and I've made a little checklist of what you had to do in Review #2, so you can see your progress.

Septimus · May 8, 2009

"You shouldn't judge it yet"

QFT = If you don't like low rating, don't submit early beta stage map.

Nylky · May 8, 2009

[ √ ] Standard units haven't been customized

I have changed some of them, and i'm going to change more.

Bug Found:
"Asure strike" says it requires "Triple Attack", while I maxed out that ability and I can't use it.

Asure strike requires triple attack to be used before it, forgot to put it in the skill description, it's not bugging.

hookah · May 8, 2009

u should add random items to the shop too and no cooldown.

bounty hunter2 · May 8, 2009

*This comment allows me to vote. Please don't mind this or reply to this. Thanks.*

Nylky · May 8, 2009

My complains go on heroes, I pressed yes, and yet I didn't have any lumber to buy one. Then I checked the quest log and it didn't tell me where could I acquire lumber.

There's (almost) clearly a message "Heroes have been activated, you will be able to buy hero after 3 minutes of gameplay"

ap0calypse · May 8, 2009

Nylky said:
There's (almost) clearly a message "Heroes have been activated, you will be able to buy hero after 3 minutes of gameplay"

Why don't you put that message in the quest log?
If you missed that message, then what? (It's not unusual to miss messages).
Put everything that might be worth saying in the quest log, I know some people don't read it, but there are a lot who do.

Also:
The Lightning Monk is a little bit bugged, it can't be clicked from time to time.
The first time you can't command it, the ability "Azure Strike" is disabled, after that you can command it for a short while, the second time it bugs, azure strike will be enabled.
This process repeats itself the whole time and is very annoying.

hookah · May 9, 2009

I love how helpfull the people here.
instead of giving tips this early beta map, they try to judge it as much they can....
even if this is in the description: "You shouldn't judge it yet :&."

Zelda.Alex · May 9, 2009

hookah said:
I love how helpfull the people here.
instead of giving tips this early beta map, they try to judge it as much they can....
even if this is in the description: "You shouldn't judge it yet :&."

Actually the guys are giving you tips. When you think it is time for second judgement you can just ask.

vante · May 9, 2009

Random FOREVER!!!! All random maps are cool, but this one is awesome!

Paladia · May 9, 2009

Great idea but the implementation could use some work.

There seems to be no point to buy any higher tier units (apart from heroes), 10 level 1 heroes are a lot stronger than one level 5 one (even though they cost as much). The acolyte has "unsummon" building and sacrifice as his two skills (of which neither can be used). Also, in its current stage it doesn't seem possible to finish the map unless you are very lucky with gold stage early on.

bounty hunter2 · May 9, 2009

hookah said:
I love how helpfull the people here.
instead of giving tips this early beta map, they try to judge it as much they can....
even if this is in the description: "You shouldn't judge it yet :&."

Please do think twice before clicking the post button.

If he didn't want it reviewed then he shouldn't have posted it. Seriously all he got were reviews, if you want comments such as: "good map 5/5" then this isn't the place, I like to believe so.

ap0calypse · May 9, 2009

hookah said:
I love how helpfull the people here.
instead of giving tips this early beta map, they try to judge it as much they can....
even if this is in the description: "You shouldn't judge it yet :&."

You know... that's really painful for me, after all the hints I have been giving the creator, this is like a stab in the back.
You cannot give tips without judging the map, if I say "Standard units haven't been customized", I judge the map, while giving a useful hint that could improve the map.

Clearly the creator has already listened to me, I've said the pikes were spammed and didn't look good, the terrain had to be changed, the description was missing, ....
And guess what: He changed all that.

Edit:
In this tutorial is a good point about constructive criticism. (under "What Should Be Avoid And Why?")
You could learn from that

Now you are only making a fool of yourself, saying we aren't helping.

cool_is_i · May 9, 2009

very interesting map,

i can help you with the terrain btw,
if you do want me to terrain for you, send me the map by the 11th, and ill get it done.

excellent idea, ^^

Nylky · May 9, 2009

in its current stage it doesn't seem possible to finish the map unless you are very lucky with gold stage early on.

Finished it with friends many times. Even on Novice difficulty it gets hard in the end.

Clearly the creator has already listened to me, I've said the pikes were spammed and didn't look good, the terrain had to be changed, the description was missing, ....
And guess what: He changed all that.

I'm listening everyone & almost every hour checking new messages

. I would like more feedback also

.

cool_is_i · May 9, 2009

So you dont need me to do a terrain for you?

nomadian · May 10, 2009

I thought a bit meh, but that power of randomness- very cool- I liked that.

ZaZzer · May 11, 2009

Randomness STRIKES BACK!

Paladia · May 13, 2009

Nylky said:
Finished it with friends many times. Even on Novice difficulty it gets hard in the end.

Except there is (or at least was) no way to change difficulty, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Nylky · May 14, 2009

Except there is (or at least was) no way to change difficulty, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Added difficulties on earlier version. You should download the newest & play it. Changed a lot of things.

albers · May 31, 2009

this map is impossible... we die in first 1 min~ and we cant do anything about it... any tips how to survive this? :/

ap0calypse · May 31, 2009

albers said:
this map is impossible... we die in first 1 min~ and we cant do anything about it... any tips how to survive this? :/

I could easily defeat the Death Knight (I don't know which level) at novice, so I don't know what you have done to die after 1 minute...
At the start, you need to mass level 1-2 units, after you can buy a hero, you need to save some money for a level 6/7 unit (it's easier then, since the hero will stop most waves), then you just need to do what seems right (some levels have higher chances for healers, so if you're out of healers, pick them, or buy items...).

*Review #3 added* (open link in new page)

kamermanbr · May 31, 2009

meen the map is really cool, but you really need to have a extra " easy easy easy very easy " difficulyty, the map is imposible!

full house = full dificulity
solo = 1 monster spawn ... but difficult too xD

or at least give more money ^^

Nylky · May 31, 2009

meen the map is really cool, but you really need to have a extra " easy easy easy very easy " difficulyty, the map is imposible!

I'm going to add very easy difficulty on next version.

kamermanbr · May 31, 2009

tksh =)

slake · Jun 13, 2009

hm, you people do not understand, the only positive thin is the originality, nothing else > hate the terrain, the units are not even slightly touched (this sux)
I give you a 2/5 but if you work more on it the map will be with a rating of 4/5

Nylky · Jun 13, 2009

hm, you people do not understand, the only positive thin is the originality, nothing else > hate the terrain, the units are not even slightly touched (this sux)

Wtf, "the units are not even slightly touched" - every creep units have been changed, added ability or changed damage, health etc.

Carl-Fredrik · Aug 8, 2009

I must say the hero mode worked when I played the map... I saw the moderator said it doesnt :O

Anyway, nice map, funny idea!!
Hard to clear on both single- and multiplayer

Maybe add some rescue strike or something like in Castle Fight? Might make it too easy but think about it.

lulol · Jul 1, 2010

i played the map and... It's defense of the random.

You randomised defenders.
You randomised Attackers.
You randomised heros and items.
But it's not enough random.

But the map isn't random... It's an hybrid hero defense. You may add random things.. Terrain... events... more totally strange units... Random low levels boss with a short introducing cinematic, in order to surprise players. Maybe a few more thematics levels ? (like a portal oppenning, with kael, Vashj and a few warriors going out... an orcish raid... A scourge assault... A group of taurens with kodos.... A group of dropped marines... Invading zerg... The Super Panda... Timmy.....somme bandits... a knight charge....)
Make it more more Random !
I hope you'll have enough free time to update it ! (Oh... the ent is slow... really slow....)

....
3,5/5 (i rated 4, cuz' you'll update it

)

Ps: you may notice that my english grammar is a bit random, please forget it x) .

Rangerdeaths · Jul 2, 2010

It's quite good, i enjoyed it. You created some customs units and custom heroes, and it's interesting. However, i don't know if i would replay it.
I think the game need more new units, i got several time the same units.
3.5/5

Quazaka · Jul 6, 2010

None of the 30 + people i played this map with, don't know how the income system works..

that is some bull shiat... and not fun. we die cuz noone can buy another level 2 creep before level 15

Nylky · Jul 7, 2010

Quazaka said:
None of the 30 + people i played this map with, don't know how the income system works..

that is some bull shiat... and not fun. we die cuz noone can buy another level 2 creep before level 15

Bug Fixed.

Coaster_Man · Jul 9, 2010

wtf, level 1(or 2, don't remember) creeps have 200 dmg?? I lost to those "weakling" penguin things on "very easy" mode??!

Nylky · Jul 9, 2010

Coaster_Man said:
wtf, level 1(or 2, don't remember) creeps have 200 dmg?? I lost to those "weakling" penguin things on "very easy" mode??!

That's the game randomness

, you can easily kill it with ranged units, without losing any of your units.

There are many random levels and units like this penguin

.

Coaster_Man · Jul 9, 2010

Nylky said:
That's the game randomness , you can easily kill it with ranged units, without losing any of your units.

There are many random levels and units like this penguin .

Played it again, no penguins, and I won. I never got any ranged on the first go, though >.< (before the penguins)

Skyswimsky · Jul 10, 2010

Wheres the changelog @-@?

Nylky · Jul 10, 2010

Skyswimsky said:
Wheres the changelog @-@?

F9 in game. - optional quests

ShAdOwdAnCer · Jul 10, 2010

when was the income d???

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