Champions Arena v5D

Moderator · Jan 14, 2011

02:08, 21st Jan 2011
-Kobas-:
Map Status: Approved
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MagiC_AntO. · Jan 14, 2011

OMG !!Really a nice description ! Gonna test .... I like the terrain , maybe can you add more heros , an Arena map well better than the majority ...4/5

light bolt30 · Jan 14, 2011

During PVP mode, some heros may be imbalanced, because they were made to fight creeps

There's something you could work on eventually. If you're going to add a PvP element, it'd be nice if it was balanced as well as PvE, otherwise you could have the game begin with choosing if you want to add a PvP match after all the rounds are completed or once the rounds are complete a dialogue will come up and allow players to vote. I guess the map is still developing since its v0, you may want to use the Map Development Forums if you need further help and suggestions. Also heros should be spelled heroes.

Eldubs · Jan 14, 2011

A decent description, with a template from my buddy kobas here

Just for using his tuff its allready worth a reputation point!

As for the map will look more into it tomorrow.

Have a nice day.

PB_L · Jan 15, 2011

Looks nice but this is still not finished. You need more heroes, items and rounds.
I give you 4/5 because it is still not finished.

BreathingAcid · Jan 15, 2011

Tested it and here's what I've found:

6 Heroes - Still a small number but good enough.

Improve their description in the tavern. Say what things they're specialized to do. Like a Tank, Support, Boss Killer, etc.

Some abilities have insufficient descriptions. Work on that.

Items - Upgrading is a nice feature. But instead of putting "Buy another one of these to upgrade", Let's say "Purchase another to upgrade" or something like that.

It is a nice map. It has a potential. I don't mind the terrain. It's an arena after all. What's the point of a beautiful arena if blood was to be spilled?

Just the things I've pointed out and It's halfway to being nice.

Adding more items wouldn't hurt. If you were to put a PvE mode in it. Heroes would have the same items. Try to avoid that.

Anything else I could think of? Nah. It's fine the way it is.

This is just my opinion. It's up to you if you find it helpful.

meatfactory · Jan 15, 2011

At first I thought this was gonna be another rip and waste of time, but I was really had fun playing this map. Terrain is very good not only for this map type (hero arena), but at all is is nice and symmetrical and everything seems exactly where it needs to be. I saw some grammar mistakes here and there but nothing much, like at map description and loading screen "heros" - it's heroes* you might want to fix that. There are not many heroes in the game but the onces for now are very well made with good spells. Item combinations are aways a good idea a + for that. Good use of triggers and the world editor in general. I rate this map 5/5. Keep working on its really good!

Eldubs · Jan 15, 2011

meatfactory said:
At first I thought this was gonna be another rip and waste of time, but I was really had fun playing this map. Terrain is very good not only for this map type (hero arena), but at all is is nice and symmetrical and everything seems exactly where it needs to be. I saw some grammar mistakes here and there but nothing much, like at map description and loading screen "heros" - it's heroes* you might want to fix that. There are not many heroes in the game but the onces for now are very well made with good spells. Item combinations are aways a good idea a + for that. Good use of triggers and the world editor in general. I rate this map 5/5. Keep working on its really good!

You both have a little grammar mistakes. You can use spellcheck.

meatfactory · Jan 15, 2011

Eldubs said:
You both have a little grammar mistakes. You can use spellcheck.

Maybe, but I doubt this thread is for you to criticize my grammar :goblin_jawdrop:

Kino · Jan 15, 2011

Pretty nice map I must say

The Good Stuff
- Layout is very neat, nothing confusing how to play ect is easy to understand.
- Hroes are pretty intresting, icons and effects are fitting and well done.

The Bad Stuff
- The balance between boss and standard levels is vast. Normal waves are extremely easy in comparison to boss levels.
- Monster damage is kinda iffy, some later waves barely hurt at all. Partly because they hit for magic damage which doesnt do much versus hero armour.
- Some item recipes are rather strange. Improved Cloak o Flames for example requries 4 standard cloaks. Not is only space wasting, it also wastes gold since there isnt really a difference stacking more than one cloak until you get all four.

Juliano · Jan 15, 2011

MagiC AntO.
Thanks, I used a template!Please comment your gameplay!

light bolt30
It would be kinda hard to balance the heroES, but I will try to not overpower them, as for the Map Development Forums, I will use them when I release v1

Eldubs
Yeah, thats a really nice template, I think more maps should use it.
Thanks for the rep!

PB L
Thank you! I will be updating continuously to improve it

-HellBreed-
Thanks for the review, I will improve the descriptions and overall grammar and polishing, about the items I'll be certainly adding more and will change some that aren't very useful at the moment
+rep

meatfactory
Glad you liked it and thanks for the rating!Is good to see comments like these.As I said I will fix the descriptions and add more heroes and keep working on it!

Kino
Thank you for reviewing, about the bosses, they are hard on single player and extremelly easy on multiplayer, so I'm thinking about a object editor upgrade for the boss creatures that will fit to the amount of players to make it more balanced.For the monster damage I will do some tweaks and balance the armors/attack. Some recipes are being remade and more will be added, for the cloak of flames, I will probably add a different recipe with other items.
+rep

For the next version, I will add 1-3 heroES, 4 rounds and a new boss, as well as fix/change those issues you've found and balance.
I found many bugs while playing online, I'm writing them down to fix later :wink:

.VTZ. · Jan 15, 2011

4/5 (por que ainda falta muitas coisas no mapa
e ponha Screenshot se possivel)
There is a lot of things to be done yet

Vote to aproval :thumbs_up:

Eldubs · Jan 15, 2011

.VTZ. said:
4/5 (por que ainda falta muitas coisas no mapa
e ponha Screenshot se possivel)
There is a lot of things to be done yet

Vote to aproval

The public language is english, talking or replying on any other is against the rules.

.VTZ. · Jan 15, 2011

Eldubs said:
The public language is english, talking or replying on any other is against the rules.

i said 'there is a lot oh things...'
lol

-Kobas- · Jan 16, 2011

It's cool to see how community react on good looking description :aht:

Map is epic, I really like idea and how you created heroes so far!
Still I have few suggestions!

-Add locust ability to dummy units placed near tavern to remove hp bar from them, or make them buildings

-Add damage and ability show system (can be turned on and off)
-Add more description to items (2 for amulet, 2 amulets for something else and so on)
-I gained small amount of experience after killing boss (add 1 level to all heroes or something like that)
-Orbs items are useless, better add items with (critical, cleaving, bash strike and so on)
-Create multiboard instead of leaderboard!
-Where is epic loading screen?

That's all what I saw for 10 min testing!
Will wait for few more reviews or updates to approve this

sPy · Jan 16, 2011

Fun Factor

Normal idea, but it's addicting. I'm trying so hard to win the game.. Well.. I only managed to get through satyrs... Because of some balance issues, I'll tell more about this later.

Heroes

Heroes have great skills, neat ability descriptions, I'm truly amazed. However, you should improve the heroes descriptions:

Other than showing his/her/it stats, you could tell a little story about the hero
OR
Do something like this, seperate the types of ability into different color (e.g: Default spell = Green Text, Normal spells = Blue-green text and Ultimate = Blue text) :

Sample

Primary Attribute: Strength
Skills:
- Berserk (The simple explanation of the ability)
- Bloodlust (Same as above, simple explanation)
- Blood Pact (simple explanation)
- Critical Hit (simple explanation)
- Groundshaker (simple explanation)

I'm looking forward to your new heroes.

Items

Less items, but can be combined into a lot of new stuff, great! But, there's some things that you can improve in the item descriptions:

So what's the problem of this? Well, the orb has it effects, you could warn the players that Orb Effect does not stack. You can do that by adding some note about orb effects at the bottom part of description of the item.

Items are fine, but I'm truly wishing for new items

Artificial Intelligence

Okay, I love how the creeps patrolling around. It's pretty scary but at the same time it's pretty funny. The funny is, they sometimes ignore ranged attacks, but I don't think it's the negative part, since the creeps are strong.

Don't worry much about this section, it's perfect for me

Bugs/Wrongs/Bads/Suggestions

I'm going to show a lot of pictures in this section.

"..Strenght.." should be "Strength"
"...during.." should be "for"

You're not limiting the heroes, please limit it.

The shuriken does not goes back to the caster when I casted. It happens once.

Like other people said, the boss is truly strong. I took 20 minutes to kill the boss alone with a ranger. Try to reduce the stats of the boss a little.
Maybe I'm too noob?

Look the life comparison, I used 7 storm bolts and poison arrows:

Edit: It seems that the 2nd boss is way easier than the first one. It could be due to 2 reasons:
- Movement speed
- Creeps summoned movement speed

Slow Poison:
- Please reduce the attack speed reduction of the Poison Attack of creeps. It's really hard to kill a creep when you've a really slow attack speed.
- OR, you could increase the attack speed of the heroes.
Sorry, no image for this one.

Suggestions:
- You could make extra modes for the game
- Try increase the bounty awarded for the creeps a little

Other than that, this is truly a fun game to play.

Chizume · Jan 16, 2011

Great review by sPy above. I'll simply say that it's a cozy map and I rate it 4/5.

Juliano · Jan 16, 2011

.VTZ.

Hey thanks, I'm working on it, please rate it!
Give feedback if possible!

-Kobas-
Hey, first of all thanks for the template, about your suggestions:
-I didn't notice that hp bar before, I'll do as you said to fix it
-If the ability show system is the one with floating texts and stuff, I'll certainly add in the next version probably!With player colors!Thanks for this, I didn't though of it
-As I said, most descriptions will be fixed, thanks
-The bosses will hopefully now give more experience and also a life point, thanks for pointing that out
-I'm going to make a recipe using the frost orb probably, as for the fire one, I'll remove and add others
-I havent found a decent multiboard system yet! If you have the link to one please post!
-I'm looking for a good loading screen at the blizzard fanart, expect it soon

Thanks for the suggestions, you surely helped!Please wait to update v1 to approve!
+rep

sPy
Wow thats a really nice and complete review, I'm glad you're addicted to it LOL, good to see reviews like this, now onto your post:
-About the hero descriptions, I haven't added because I was trying to upload this map quickly so people can test, but nice idea to upgrade the description and use color codes, definitelly expect that on v1
-About new heros, I will probably add 1, 2 or maybe 3, one of them would be a death knight, that actually, uses one of your recent models as a spell
-The orb effect description will be added, thank you
-About the AI, glad you liked it, its a simple system that orders them to patrol random points LOL, but the rangedattack ingnoring is just a small bug that I'll think about later
-LOL I never noticed strength was written wrong, thanks a lot!
-I'll replace 'during' with 'for' in all the cases
-Ok now that's my newbieness again, i'll limit the heroes
-I noticed that shuriken bug in the multishot too, I don't know how to properly fix if though, but if it keeps happening I will think of something to remove the dummies when bugged
-Ok now I also thought the first boss is too hard on single player, next version he will be adjusted to the number of players, the second boss will not be as slow as hell too
-The attack speed poison is only on early levels I think, but I will reduce it, thanks for telling me that
-I'm thinking about a tower mode, where players must protect a building in the middle, however thats just an idea yet
-Bounty increased a bit

Thanks A LOT for this review, the screenshots, the bugs everything, you officially rock!
+rep

Chizume
Thanks for the rating, good to see you liked it!

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I'll probably release v1 with those fixed things in 2-4 days, along with screenshots and new stuff, thanks for giving feedback!

-Kobas- · Jan 16, 2011

Ok won't approve map soon, I don't want to make you lazy after that

Hey another few cool suggestions:
Set hero mana and hp to max once when he level up, with cool special effects it can look awesome!

I don't want to advertise myself but check this, you will understand what I wanted to say Dialog Buttons (Advanced Systems)

Juliano · Jan 18, 2011

Almost there, just need to finish the new hero and adjust the boss and I'm releasing v1!

-Kobas-
-I added that level up feature now

-About your diablogues system, I won't add it for now because I don't have much features like difficulty, snow/normal and gametype, but will almost certainly use that in future versions

EDIT: Just released v1 LAWL check it out!

-Kobas- · Jan 18, 2011

Epic I rally like the way how is the map improved :thumbs_up:

I will still wait a little more before approval!

I played as assassin and I finished without cheats.
Some heroes need more balance

xorkatoss · Jan 18, 2011

i played the map and it's really good 5/5 :thumbs_up:

also i have noticed a tooltip mistake...
when you want to purchase spikes is says that it returns 30% of the damage...
im sry for not having a picture proof but i was too bored xD

sPy · Jan 19, 2011

2 minor bugs:
- Wizard's ultimate doesn't deal any damage? Or I'm wrong? I tested the ultimate for 3-4 times
- Dragon Claw adds 25 to Strength and Intelligence, not Agility.

meatfactory · Jan 19, 2011

sPy said:
2 minor bugs:
- Wizard's ultimate doesn't deal any damage? Or I'm wrong? I tested the ultimate for 3-4 times
- Dragon Claw adds 25 to Strength and Intelligence, not Agility.

Indeed at level 1 doesn't do damage at all, at 2 and 3 was ok I think.

Juliano · Jan 19, 2011

sPy and meatfactory
Ha I noticed that too, it was because I was testing her ulti on low creeps no to kill them, however I forgot to reenable the damage before submitting.
The dragon claw is indeed bugged, but I already fixed it now

I'm updating to v2 as soon as I finish a few fixes and the new hero, introducing the Death Knight, here is a preview of his skills.

Fear - Small AOE cast that prevents enemy from attacking and casting spells for 4 seconds.

Soul Steal - sends a coil that moves to the point and return, dealing damage to enemies in the way and healing the death knight when returning based on the damage done
Graveyard - summons a grave that reanimates nearby corpses periodically
Runeblade - grants the deathknight an attack that decreases armor (might change)
River of Souls - ok now here I'm trying to do some shadowmourne-like spell with a lot of souls around the death knight, the effect they will have I'm not sure yet

If you have any suggestions about the skills, please tell me!

Chizume · Jan 19, 2011

I don't know what level of complexity you want on your skills but in my opinion Death Knights are complex things. Made to fit the roles of dps/semi-caster/semi-healer. Runes are stored as a buff and stacks using its level. Will probably need some balancing.

Death Knight

	Fear Fears units in a small/medium/large area preventing them from attacking and casting spells for 3/4/5 (+1 per rune on target) seconds. Units touched by this spell lose all their runes. Active
	Soul Steal Sends a deathly coil toward a target location dealing 90/130/170 (+10 damage per rune on target) spell damage to enemies it touches. When the coil has reached its destination it returns to the Death Knight healing him and allied units it touches for (35% of damage done) split among them. Units touched by this spell lose all their runes. Active
	Runeblade Attacks made by the Death Knight deals 3/5/7 (+3 per rune on target) bonus spell damage. Also marks the target with 1/2/3 runes each attack. Passive
	Undying Will Summons a graveyard that automatically reanimates 2/4/6 nearby corpses every third second. Attacks made by the reanimations marks the target with 1 rune. Reanimations last for 7/11/15 seconds. Active
	Dance of Souls Emits mourning souls around the Death Knight stealing 13 (+2 per rune on targets nearby) health from nearby targets every second. Lasts for 4 seconds. The Death Knight's next 3 attacks will deal (20% of stolen health) bonus spell damage. Units touched by this spell lose all their runes. Active

Juliano · Jan 20, 2011

Chizume
Nice selection of spells, but too complicated for a arena I think :S and the hero will depend on his runeblade ability at all times!
+rep for the ideas though

I'm planning to add a monk in the future that will use the "rune-like" buff that grants increased effects on his skills.

Uploading v2!
Changelog:

Added a new hero: Death Knight
Added 3 Spellbook items that can be combined
Remade some spells on Ancient
Added Multiboard instead of Leaderboard
New loading screen and minimap image, introducing the death knight
Terrain now is covered in snow
Fixed message when players leave the game
Floating text now displays the proper color on spell casting
Onslaught fixed
Nerfed Double Throw
Bosses now are actually difficult to defeat on multiplayer
Remade the Safe Zone
Decreased hero hp and mp increase on stats
PVP probably fixed(again)
Fixed Permafrost damage
Avatar abilty nerfed
Increased summoned units damage and armor
Groundshaker improved
Finger of Death explosion damage improved
Creeps get increased damage on higher levels
Fixed a bug that allowed Ranger to blink through trees
Cleaving Attack on Bloodpact decreased
Enabled bounty on PVP mode
Many minor bug fixes

PB_L · Jan 20, 2011

New version looks nice.
I played with dead knight and there is small but, orcs don't drop corpses, so they can't be revived

Chizume · Jan 20, 2011

Well my idea was for him to have a decent damage without the runes, and good damage with it. This means he has to be able to attack as much as he cast spells making him some sort of hybrid. Also attack speed helps him quite much as he is able to put more runes on targets, but it isn't everything. He is more than just "auto-attack brb" like your Axemaster hero. A tactic is to attack many different targets, then position yourself appropriately and use Soul Steal to deal good damage to enemies and heal allies.

-Kobas- · Jan 21, 2011

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Champions Arena v2B
Created by Juliano - 20_Deitar ; Uploaded by: Juliano

Very nice arena/survival game, I played map few times and really like how author fixed all suggested things and improved map so far.
Spells are cool and ok, some are unique, items builds look epic as well, number of items combinations increase with each new update.
Map preivew, loading screen, tooltips, floating text, colored things, warning hints and so on, look great...
You can see damage show and ability show system...

Good job dude, have a nice day.
Map status: Approved

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kazpikex · Jan 22, 2011

nice! tried it *Satisfied* !

Chizume · Jan 26, 2011

Just tried this out a bit.

First of all Death Knight's learn tooltip on Soul Steal says 25% but the learned one says 20%.

Secondly Demon Lord's Dark Portal is simply OP. I have at least 6 Eredar Diabolists to curse all opponents and perma-stun bosses. I just soloed the whole game without the use of those stun hammers nor wards, which is more or less impossible with any other class. Also he never ran out of mana making his Ritual ability useless. Also Death Knight and Demon Lord are rather similar in concept.

Thirdly Finger of Death deals damage to allies as well? This does not bring skill into the gameplay, only hassle.

Also Demon Lord's ultimate seems to select the units before impact which results in not damaging units who were outside its area at first but is inside it on impact, and damaging units who were in it at first but ran out of it.

Assassin's boomerang blades bug when moving after having casted the spell.

The map is quite addicting I daresay. Cheers!

Yours,
Chizume

Juliano · Feb 1, 2011

RELEASED V2C!
-Check the changelog in the map page!

Chizume
Thanks for pointing these out, good to see you still like this

Fixed most of your bugs and nerfed imbalances a bit, however for the assassin, I don't really know how to fix the Double Throw, since its a imported spell, but I may add a command in the future to debug if it keeps happening(ranger also haves that bug).
+repped

Chizume · Feb 2, 2011

Nice changes. But I was wondering; why even have a Safe Zone when you arena is already round-based? It would be cool to always be in the arena, but when the round expires the Heroes are moved to the middle and shops are placed around them. The shops are removed when next round starts.

Juliano · Feb 4, 2011

Chizume said:
Nice changes. But I was wondering; why even have a Safe Zone when you arena is already round-based? It would be cool to always be in the arena, but when the round expires the Heroes are moved to the middle and shops are placed around them. The shops are removed when next round starts.

Well but then in PVP mode, how would the players interact with the shops, be invulnerable and fight at the same time?I'm thinking of adding even more places to the map :con:

Uploaded v3! :ogre_datass:

EDIT:just edited the map to fix a kick bug, everything works fine now(801 downloads)

Juliano · Feb 8, 2011

Uploaded v4 and no new comments at all...

Great Chief Aeon · Feb 8, 2011

Looks Epic!!

GOING TEST IT RIGHT NOW ;D

***EDITED***

I Still not played with friends, but i dont liked much, but i see looks hard works, for that i give you 4/5 (awesome!

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Chizume · Feb 8, 2011

Good update. The map description is greatly improved. Downloading the map for more test runs later on

Juliano · Feb 8, 2011

Great Chief Aeon
Well, thanks for testing, in single player sometimes is boring or too hard depending on the hero you pick, but play on multiplayer! Its much better!

Chizume
Heey Chizume, hello again, please test, it has improved!

v4B is out!

Great Chief Aeon · Feb 8, 2011

Off Course you right...
Only Campaigns and Melee Maps can be played in single player...
And yes, i choose the Paladin (Obviously) and i dont even winned the first wave!?!
I Hope we can play together sometime

Chizume · Feb 9, 2011

The priest was fun to play

Nice combination of skills!

Juliano · Feb 9, 2011

Great Chief Aeon
Well the first round is extremelly easy, each monster takes like 2 hits to kill so I don't know how you died so fast, try again with other hero maybe?

Chizume
Thanks, glad you liked it, the priest is a main healer(bosses on multiplayer are much easier to defeat with a priest in the team) but also a later game damager, with his Holy Shock spell dealing massive damage based on intelligence.

Chizume · Feb 9, 2011

Yeah I won the game with solo priest. Massing up on intelligence and using amulet's Forked Lightning and Holy Shock really gets his damage going

sentrywiz · Feb 11, 2011

I think I'm gonna like this map alot. Reminds me lot like my own. It gotz ai?

meatfactory · Feb 11, 2011

Dragon Heart's life regeneration ability also applies to creeps.

Juliano · Feb 22, 2011

sentrywiz
It has no AI, I though of adding it but would take a lot of work so I gave up adding it for now.

meatfactory
Thanks, fixed!

Released v5C

Great Chief Aeon · Feb 22, 2011

So...
Finally Upgrated??
Crazzy to test it

I Hope This Still Awesome as it was before

Shads · Feb 24, 2011

the pics look rly nice!
ill gona try it

Orcnet · Feb 25, 2011

Map Review

hey Pal, I played your game and its good, because of that, let me do a good review for this

Champions Arena v5D

General:

Originality-[10]
Triggering-[10]
Difficulty-[5]

Game Cosmetics:

Gameplay-[10]
Terraining-[10]
Synergy-[5]

Bugs-see information from below
Map Score Overall-[50/50]

Overview:

[+] signs means there is something good within your work, this won't be part of the grading since this is just a good comment saying you made a good job
[-] signs means you must make something better or maybe an improvement of that part of your work
[bugs] won't deduct your score, however, will only show you some mishaps and low managing of some triggers,terrains,units etc.

Originality [10/10]
Note:
[+] Your game has no copy of other maps and definitely original in my observations, excellent!
Triggering [8/10]
Note:
[+] Your triggers were great, no low managing, unbalanced codes. nice! but there is a catch, which I will place it in the bugs section, anyways your triggers are fine.
Difficulty [5/5]
Note:
[+] Okay I confess, I played it solo just to make a review since my friends just wants to play DotA all the time. and I still continue on with my work, I can't surpass the boss "Kruul" with some of the heroes, but when I used the "Berserker", I only reached at the boss "Mugthol". for me, this map is definitely a team play, I like it! and no bad difficulties for this section, which I declare it perfect!

Gameplay [8/10]
Note:
[+] The game is fine for me, but I do have some suggestions, try making some commands or dialog or whatever you like for people to play the game solo, an example of Blizzard's "Skibi's Tower Defense", were 1-2 wave are allowed when a solo player is activated, even though your map is a hero survival, it still can be implemented if you want.

Terraining [10/10]
Note:
[+] I like the terrain! you did your best for doing this map and I like it very much, especially the lobby room were players can't harass each other. good one!

Synergy [5/5]
Note:
[+] All of the heroes I encountered so far were all great! I really like the Berserker so much and the Death Knight you made, another perfect score for this section
[-] Items were too simple, try making more advance and powerful items for players to enjoy their item builds, and try to make an npc that will show all item recipes instead of making the players to guess what will happen

Again with the Items, when I made the "Vampire Axe" (sorry I forgot the item's name). it requires "Axe III" and "Mask of Death", but when I made it, it took 2 "Axe II" and the Mask which made me wonder, if you do find this bug, try fixing your triggering dude, and everything will be fine, thus I only found 1 bug for now.

Total Score [46/50] Grade [96%]

Excellent Map dude! I really like it, hopefully I might ask my buddies to play this game since were pros at playing DotA, I'll ask them to play some more hero survivals, then again I hope you liked my review, since I played your game many times and it rocks! hope to see more good changes in the next update

happy map-making!

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