Blood Bowl V2.1

Moderator · Jan 23, 2014

12:18, 20th Feb 2014
Hell_Master: Map approved with a rating of 3/5 based on Shadow Fury's review. See here his review:

Shadow Fury;2476949 said:
Quite good one. Here is my review:-

GOOD POINTS:-
- Vast variety of Heroes
- Some voices like "Unstoppable" and "Dominating"
- Some abilities are just awesome and very well performed
- Original map, different from the others

BAD POINTS:-
- Too tiny map that makes it easy to reach the enemy's side
- Flat terrain and too few doodads
- Some spelling mistakes like:
ennemy ---> enemy
wich ---> witch
- There is a bug! When I cast Touchdown outside the enemy's side, it still says "Dominating" or "Unstoppable" and displays the message
- I wait an eternity before the game starts
- Only two abilities for each hero?
- All heroes I tried had 350 HP and 100 Mana. Why?

SUGGESTIONS:-
- If you can, make the map larger. Export all object data, recreate all triggers and these stuff because in such a tiny map, it's simple to reach the enemy's side and if there are too many players, overcrowd will surely occur
- If you'll not do point one, then work on the terrain! Make it more hilly by using Raise/Lower in Terrain Palette. Also, add more doodads like Cactus, Skulls, Skull on Sticks and Remains Scorched
- Fix the bug by having a look at the triggers
- Fix the spelling mistakes
- Reduce the time taken to start the game, maybe 20 seconds
- Each Hero MUST have different HP and Mana, not only different movement speed
- One more ability for each Hero
- Consider adding powerups which give an extra ability

OVERALL RESULT:-
To conclude, I believe this map has the potentiality of becoming a marvellous original maps, it only needs more work! I give this 3/5 and vote for APPROVAL!

Shadow Fury · Jan 23, 2014

Quite good one. Here is my review:-

GOOD POINTS:-
- Vast variety of Heroes
- Some voices like "Unstoppable" and "Dominating"
- Some abilities are just awesome and very well performed
- Original map, different from the others

BAD POINTS:-
- Too tiny map that makes it easy to reach the enemy's side
- Flat terrain and too few doodads
- Some spelling mistakes like:
ennemy ---> enemy
wich ---> witch
- There is a bug! When I cast Touchdown outside the enemy's side, it still says "Dominating" or "Unstoppable" and displays the message
- I wait an eternity before the game starts
- Only two abilities for each hero?
- All heroes I tried had 350 HP and 100 Mana. Why?

SUGGESTIONS:-
- If you can, make the map larger. Export all object data, recreate all triggers and these stuff because in such a tiny map, it's simple to reach the enemy's side and if there are too many players, overcrowd will surely occur
- If you'll not do point one, then work on the terrain! Make it more hilly by using Raise/Lower in Terrain Palette. Also, add more doodads like Cactus, Skulls, Skull on Sticks and Remains Scorched
- Fix the bug by having a look at the triggers
- Fix the spelling mistakes
- Reduce the time taken to start the game, maybe 20 seconds
- Each Hero MUST have different HP and Mana, not only different movement speed
- One more ability for each Hero
- Consider adding powerups which give an extra ability

OVERALL RESULT:-
To conclude, I believe this map has the potentiality of becoming a marvellous original maps, it only needs more work! I give this 3/5 and vote for APPROVAL!

Dark-Zalor · Jan 24, 2014

Some answer about the map :

I made this map to develop a gameplay based on a team sport strategy, attack and defend organization, counter attacks.
This is not a classic arena where you only have to kill enemies with attacks and spells. I want players to choose an action (damages enemies, passe the ball, touchdown)
I want players to make a touchdown and not a complete elimination of the opposing team and then touchdown.

Size of the Map:
I chose that size to add speed like in realistic game: Basketball, Handball with counterattacks
I don't want to bore players with long distance to walk (only strikers have teleportation). The rounds (I think) have to be linked up faster.
The maximum number of players is 10 but there are 6 maximum players that will really play this game (Not as famous as Dota) so I think the map have the good size of 6 units!!!

Spells :
Every hero has 2 personal spells with a small cooldown this is made to increase reactivity for each player. 2 spells (I think) is necessary to develop a team play.
And a hero is easier to control.
Every player is vulnerable and need other one to protect them. I want people play too with their location as a team too block enemy, running to have a pass.
Too many spells with damages will gives to players too much kill power. I'm open to player’s suggestions. I "think" too many spells will creates too Imba players..
I think 2 spells with 7 seconds medium cooldown is enough.

Exp :
Heroes don't get experience
I don't want to create carry likes (MONSTER FEED VOID or BOUNTY in Dota!!!) just play alone at end game and win killing everybody. Heroes are the same from the beginning to the
end of the game. This is necessary I think to show real player power. Each player has a role in the game.

Hp and Mana :
Heroes have similar Hp and mana this is done to develop a team play and not an individual game play.
Hp has been updated
200 Hp for Strikers
250 Hp for Mid
300 Hp for Defenders
Mana is just used to create a separated silence systems Heroes spells need mana and drop, touchdown don't need some mana.

Terraining :
I always have problems with terraining, I made an arena clear for players. The game is really fast so nothing has to blocks players or distract them.
A soft area permit players to appreciate effect and each spells.
I removed terrain deformation because it cuts some effects (Desecrate, Hell Hole, )
I haven't put a lot of doodads in the arena for realistic reasons, in a football field we can't imagine flowers, trees, stones, cracks, creepers animals, ...
I know that a map have to be between realism and imaginary so maybe some doodads are important.

Modes :
I want to make a Kick off mode that gives the ball to the last round looser.

Begining Time :
I made a 1 minute timer to let the player read some information’s about the map and different types of heroes. But I think 30 seconds would be fine.

I didn't write that post to counter what says moderators, not because I think my map is the best of the world.
I just wanted to explain the reasons of some things I made in my map. I haven't tested the game because I'm alone to create it.
So I'm totally open to other comment, proposition or critics: terraining, size, balancing heroes. If it really blocks the game.

I'm sorry for my bad English I'm actually French and not a good English speaker. I'm correcting grammar English mistakes I made in the map.

I want to thanks people who spend time by testing my map.

Shadow Fury · Jan 24, 2014

The size of the map is anyway too small! If I use any teleport ability, I can very easily pass enemy defenders and get to the enemy's side. When I talk about a bigger map, I don't mean making an extra huge field.

Two abilities for each hero aren't enough because a played gets tired of using the same two abilities every time. 3 is the perfect number! Not too much and not too few. That's why I recommend you to let every hero have 3 abilities.

When I say "Make the terrain more hilly", I don't mean creating lofty hills and very deep craters! Just some small raising and lowerings. And with more doodads, I don't mean doodads which block the heroes from moving but doodads which are walkable on like shurbs, bones...
Also, you might consider replacing the "Fall Tree Wall" with "Barrens Tree Wall" and adding "Barrens Canopy Tree".

I know it's important to read the info about the game, but it's very short and once a player understood how the game works, he doesn't want to wait a lot of time for the game to start.

Again heroes have similar HP and Mana. This doesn't make every Hero really unique! Some defenders might have high HP but low movement speed and armor. Some strikers might have high movement speed and Mana but low HP and so on. That's balancing and making heroes unique!

Oh and take care NOT to let ANY ability have the hotkeys:- M - A - P - S. Because "M" is the hotkey of Move, "A" of Attack, "P" for Patrol and "S" for Stop. I found an ability that has the hotkey "S" so I am sure there will be other abilities with these 4 hotkeys.

PlankingWolf · Jan 25, 2014

Shadow Fury said:
Quite good one. Here is my review:-

GOOD POINTS:-
- Vast variety of Heroes
- Some voices like "Unstoppable" and "Dominating"
- Some abilities are just awesome and very well performed
- Original map, different from the others

BAD POINTS:-
- Too tiny map that makes it easy to reach the enemy's side
- Flat terrain and too few doodads
- Some spelling mistakes like:
ennemy ---> enemy
wich ---> witch
- There is a bug! When I cast Touchdown outside the enemy's side, it still says "Dominating" or "Unstoppable" and displays the message
- I wait an eternity before the game starts
- Only two abilities for each hero?
- All heroes I tried had 350 HP and 100 Mana. Why?

SUGGESTIONS:-
- If you can, make the map larger. Export all object data, recreate all triggers and these stuff because in such a tiny map, it's simple to reach the enemy's side and if there are too many players, overcrowd will surely occur
- If you'll not do point one, then work on the terrain! Make it more hilly by using Raise/Lower in Terrain Palette. Also, add more doodads like Cactus, Skulls, Skull on Sticks and Remains Scorched
- Fix the bug by having a look at the triggers
- Fix the spelling mistakes
- Reduce the time taken to start the game, maybe 20 seconds
- Each Hero MUST have different HP and Mana, not only different movement speed
- One more ability for each Hero
- Consider adding powerups which give an extra ability

OVERALL RESULT:-
To conclude, I believe this map has the potentiality of becoming a marvellous original maps, it only needs more work! I give this 3/5 and vote for APPROVAL!

I like how in your reviews, some of your bad points are actually suggestions. (E.g. "only two skills?", Hey, two skills might be the creator's style.)

Dark-Zalor · Jan 30, 2014

New version with 2 new heroes

A new mode Battle Royal added

Heroes have now 3 spells!!!

The map is a little bit longer, I add a few doodads to make the field more realistic.

I correct some mistakes in spells (I will continue to correct it)

I Hope you will enjoy it

Dark-Zalor · Feb 4, 2014

I change some stuffs in my map : english mistakes, spells tool tips, balancing heroes, new spells

Does anybody have some comment about my map for the next version?

I know that moderators are busy.

Dark-Zalor · Feb 9, 2014

New Version

I changed spells tool tips

I added 2 new heroes

I hope you will enjoy that new version

PlankingWolf · Feb 10, 2014

I suggest not making the terrain too flat. Make it have curves, or bumps, or hills. And make the terrain have variation. You only chose a few tiles and made it clear with the map. But, it looks nice. The only complaint I have is the terrain.

fang__00 · Feb 19, 2014

I find it hard to test the game since there is no Ai?

Dark-Zalor · Feb 21, 2014

I post a number of questions because I make that map alone and I've never test it with other players

Does heroes are balanced?

Is it too easy/too hard to realize a touchdown or not?

Does striker have enought Hp or too much?

Is there enough damages spells and are they well distributed?

Does spells are good?

Can you send me Feed-back and suggestions

I want to make a mode for kick off: to gives the ball to loosers of the last round

fang__00 : I've never creates an AI script so I don't know how to make it for that kind of map. But if somebody have ideas or tutos. I'm interessed.

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