Bleach Kidou Wars 5.00

Moderator · Sep 1, 2009

21:36, 4th Jan 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

Kisame · Sep 1, 2009

In future updates I intend to add more Bakudo (Binding Spells) Like Geki, which will be a projectile which will trap people if it hits them. Also I will make the game modes customizable, like starting gold and points to win. Please comment

Gantoris · Sep 1, 2009

Its quite similar to Warlock, just in Bleach format. However, the spells and such are all based on bleach, which is quite cool to bleach fans. I tried all the spells..... and they just all seem to move straight and just boom on impact... only diff is the animation and the speed (mana cost + damage). As you said above, there would be other kido moves which i think would make it much better then just spells shooting straight and do damage.
This game can be improved alot since there are quite a few kido moves, but usually kido moves are not really that special in Bleach itself since they always use their bankai and mankai, so they don't really go in to it much.
Maybe other then just kido attacking moves, maybe add in healing (no idea its kido anot)
and stages to improve kidos, eg. stage 1:5damage, stage 2:8damage.
Your idea seems fine. The Kido cannon idea is really cool and interesting. Right now it can't be acutally played due to the super similarity of the spells, only a little different here and there. I may be abit harsh + i understand its still improving and so..... still keep up the good work, it can be done till its wayyy fun to play it.

Kisame · Sep 1, 2009

Alright, I'll get right on that. I was thinking about putting in some Zanpactou releases. Sound good? Also, there are actually multiple levels to spells. It says when loading, you have to buy them again to upgrade them. Oh, and did you like Kyoumon? It's really quite simple and it worked better than I had intended. It can be broken by spells like the Kidou Cannon but it still blocks them!

Dezibell · Sep 1, 2009

I really like the idea of this map so i want to give you some feedback:
- I think some of the kidou are quite slow. they could be much more faster
- All of them are quite similar. Heres some of my idea:
---> Make a "Destructive Nr. 4 Byakurai", which is as fast as a lightning with higher range and doesn´t deal much damage, but has casting time.
---> The Soukatsui could be some area spell if u know how to make it, so it affects all enemies in an angle of 90 degrees.
- maybe make some endless ffa mode, with no maximum score (or just normal ffa)

Kisame · Sep 1, 2009

Thanks a lot! I DID originally make Byakurai but it didn't look quite right, however I will remake it, probably as a beam. Also, I am making Zanpacto releases, however I'm not sure if i should make them buyable or give them to each model. A good idea for Sokatsui, and I will Happily make the spells faster. Thanks again

Gantoris · Sep 2, 2009

Kyoumon.... meaning the yellow shield thingy? (im not really clear with Bleach Kidos even though i watch bleach) its pretty cool since ive never seen block spells, but i thought its suppose to be in the form of a rectangular wall? Its kinda weird at first as i thought its small, till i placed in the east direction >.> (at first i place it facing north). Maybe leave the zanpacto releases later. Right now focus on the kidos. Once you done them or gets bored, then go to zanpacto XD

Kisame · Sep 2, 2009

Yay! I already made the shinso release but I agree. There are still a few more kidou i could make. And as for Kyoumon, well, I had some difficulty finding a suitable model. Unfortunately that was the best I could find D: . In my next update all spells will be faster, and i will try and improve some of the visuals of spells. Thanks for the comment

Dezibell · Sep 3, 2009

And maybe you could make more kidou and limit the maximum spells to 5 or so? Thenn you could integrate the Book which unlearns all of ur spells (maybe you could make a trigger which levels the hero up 1 level for each 5 gold he spends on kidou. then you could make a trigger to the unlearning book which gives you 5 gold for each lvl of yours and sets youre lvl to 1 afterwards. That would just be an idea of making the hero able to relearn spells.)

And maybe you could also post this map in the map developing section (dont know if you already did.) because its about to get really great.

Kisame · Sep 3, 2009

Wow, thanks. I really didn't intend for this map to be good, ^_^ . I know that sounds wierd but i was just sat down thinking, what would be a nice idea for a map to make? and i LOVE Bleach, especially the kidou spells so I thought, hey, why not make this. Also, I am new to making coded spells which everyone can use at once (MUI), so that is why the range of spells seems a bit limited. Anyway, I suppose there are a few more spells I could make, for instance I was thinking about making Kurohitsugi (Black Coffin spell) which targets an area, then pauses enemies within and lifts them up and slashes them. It should be quite simple. Thank you for your positive and useful feedback!

Gothar_esp · Sep 3, 2009

The spells are cool^^, but there are alot of kido yet xD

Wright · Sep 4, 2009

Found 2 problems. Byakurai doesn't go past lvl 1, and it keeps taking money if you try upgrading it. For haien, if you have lvl 4 and buy it again, it'll refund you an extra 2 gold. Not much to the map yet, but I like the idea.

Kisame · Sep 4, 2009

Oh, thank you. Byakurai is new, so it is liable to have some issues ^_^ . Next guys I am going to make Bakudo 99, and maybe something else. I will do these on Sunday or Saturday, as this was my first week back at school and I can't be bothered with it on a Friday evening lol

Ss-4-Goku · Sep 5, 2009

Hi, and thanks. This idea is cool and such, so i decide to help you.

http://www.bleach7.com/?page=information/demonarts

That is a complete list of all known Kidou spells. Maybe also think of adding Cero as well, not just Kidou?
(Cero could be: Lvl 1 (Cero) The cero that all Menos Grande use initially.
Lvl 2 (Cero Beam) A Concentrated Cero that Ichigo Full Hollow tries to use on Love while training against his hollow. Never seen in action but presumably an intense, narrow red beam of Cero.
Lvl 3 (Cero Doble) Neliel's technique, absorbs an enemy's Cero and uses her own Cero on top to create a massive Cero.
Lvl 4 (Cero Sincretico) Pesche and Dondochakka's technique, combines the light of both of their Cero's to create a large (but easily separable) Cero. (If another Cero or Kidou hits it, the enemys spell will disappear and the Cero Sincretico will separate into two small Cero's.)
Lvl 5 (Gran Rey Cero) Only Espada are allowed to use this most powerful Cero of all. It has enough power to distort space around its blast area.)

Kisame · Sep 6, 2009

I do actually have a site with all the kidou and that site link doesnt have all of them. I use a different site, but thanks anyway. And I hadn't thought of making cero, what a great idea

i think i will! Some of those levels I might not make though , like Neliel's technique as that would require actually eating a cero fired at you and would be somewhat confusing. I do like the idea of normal cero and gran rey cero though. I shall endevour to include them as soon as possible. Thank you

Ss-4-Goku · Sep 6, 2009

You could also make one level into Ulquiorra's green cero. It's supposedly stronger than normal cero.

Kisame · Sep 6, 2009

I have made cero, but just the red one. I added Ulquiorra as a caster though, and I am considering making all spells items instead, so you are limited to 6 and that way I can give the casters more abilities, and perhaps make bonuses for each caster. Ulquiorra might have a green cero for example.

Ss-4-Goku · Sep 6, 2009

Okay. Bug report: (damn this is long)

- Byakurai deals WAY more damage than specified. If Byakurai is at level 4, it one hits a level 1 hero.
- Byakurai lightning trails have a chance of staying behind after the attack is shot.
- YOU CAN ATTACK EACHOTHER INSIDE THE SHOPPING PLACE IN ARENA MODE.
- No message when someone leaves the game.
- Cero seems a bit weak.
- Boredom is reached incredibly fast.
- Create Bakudou #61: Rikujoukourou. It is the most used bakudou.
- Thats all for now, when i get another game up (with these bugs fixed, creating #61 is not technically a bug) i'll inform if these bugs are fixed.

Kisame · Sep 6, 2009

Well, thank you for that. I have found the problem with the Byakurai damage, I will look into the trails. As for boredom, well that's up to personal taste, I can not change that. How exactly do you propse i made Bakudo 61? Also, I wouldn't say it was most used, and I think Cero is fine how it is. I don't want it to be stronger than Giryu Gekizoku Shinten Raihou. Also I don't really know what the game is like. I can't host, so I have only tested it by myself.

Ss-4-Goku · Sep 6, 2009

Well, create six dummy units around the target that all channel a healing wave lightning effected spell that deals a certain amount of DPS. Or if it would just hold then 0.01 damage per second. (If you set to 0, it will do infinite damage per second. And you don't want that)
That's as for creating Bakudou 61 without custom models that is.
If you want a more true-looking Bakudou 61, get a yellow electricity spear model or something like that for a lightning effect.

As for more testing, i would be happy to take the place of a map tester. Of course, i would need you ingame as well to see in to what's the problem. I will test all the other Hadou today, as well as some Bakudou.

Kisame · Sep 6, 2009

Wow, thanks it would be great to be able to test it. Oh, and I am completely against using target spells. As with geki and Bankin, all holding spells are balls which cast holding spells if they hit. Oh and Sajo Sabaku

Ss-4-Goku · Sep 6, 2009

By the way, there is a hosting bot on Europe@Clan MaDi that is free for anyone to use. That's what i'm using to host anyway. I uploaded the previous version on the bot there, but i'll stick with it since you fixed the problems i listed. I'll look for more problems in that map. BNet name, please?

Kisame · Sep 6, 2009

LordRocky is my name

arphax214 · Sep 7, 2009

nice i like the map concept gl with the map..

Kisame · Sep 7, 2009

Fankyoo

I am so pleased you like it

arphax214 · Sep 8, 2009

Kisame said:
Fankyoo I am so pleased you like it

yeah hope you add good buildable items also...

Dezibell · Sep 16, 2009

For Ulquiorras Cero... I wouldn ´t expect it to be the green one, but the cero oscuro, a black cero, which he gets in ressurection form. Or maybe add it to him as a hero as a speciality

Edit:

Another couple of things i just found:
- Raikyouhou (or sth. like that) cost 12 each lvl. , while byakurai costs 8 to get it to lvl 4, which is faster, stronger and costs less mana than raikyouhou, which i think should get more damage for being that slow
- Does the teleportation have to cost 60 mana? Because in Flagcapture mode you cant go back to heal or buy new spells, if you havent got those 60 mana and if you buy byakurai to lvl 4 in the beginning you have less mana than 60 after 1 spell

Xerho · Dec 20, 2009

i think its very good, spells are good, and gameplay is fun (i like the fort 1) but maybe diffrent caracters will do diffrent things (EX 1 goes fast but has little health, other is slow but alot of health) good job

slake · Dec 20, 2009

lolz the knowedge about kidou and cero here are far great than anywhere on hiveworkshop
this game is awesome Bleach fans like us will love this
now I'm going to play and reply when I finish
rep and 4/5 thought its going to be 5/5 and more rep in future if you have interest in updating,balancing and other and if you'r not working on other projects

Hey Kisame where do you watch Bleach anyway and on wich episode are there

Kisame · Dec 21, 2009

I recently decided to carry on working on Kidou wars

And I watch them on Youtube mainly in parts. If you wish to read them though go on onemanga.com.
I will be updating this from now on

I just need to refamiliarise myself with coding. It's been a while

D
Thanks for the great feedback!

slake · Dec 23, 2009

Lol I read manga's in OneManga two.
Oh and you should realy improve the terrain.
If I was a mod I would give you 1/5 but I give you 4/5, strange.

krisserz · Dec 30, 2009

Hide changelog with

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Kisame · Dec 30, 2009

Thanks

Kisame · Dec 30, 2009

Unfortunately the terrain must be sacrificed for the gameplay. Changing the height makes the spells look VERY strange when they fire, but i will see what I can do about some more environmental features.

krisserz · Dec 30, 2009

EDIT: Nvm fixed.

arphax214 · Jan 2, 2010

..its boring because you need mana in every skill and theres no thrill like warlock have..and skills cost alot of mana theres no shop or item for mana regenaration and the normal attack you disabled it makes worse..

i suggest you should remove mana in every skill just like warlock i see you based it in the game..
and also models its sux coz you can choose same models with different ultimate zanpacto..you should make hero only choose only ones and there zanpacto can only be choosen by its original wielder.. :thumbs_up:

i host it and many player suggested it because it sucks like that.. :bored:

s.t.a.l.k.e.r. · Jan 2, 2010

i played this map and thats what i thought:
i only play normal arena, but you should have an option to let the host choose the amount of kills required. because if the game's 2v2 or 3v3, 50 kills is a little too much.

also, i think there should be a different arenas for games with less people, because what have i done was kill my enemy, then started tping back, but my enemy wasnt able to get to me in time because the map is too large. the map needs a little more obstacles too, i think

another thing i didnt like was that the stat gain from kills is too big. after getting 3 or 4 kills in a row, you can just steamroll, because you have significantly more mana and hp, and is able to just outtank and outcast the opponent, so i suggest lowering the stat gain and gold gain from kills

also, the guy above me is right, you should have a certain zankaptou to a certain model, and the model should only be picked once (because its kinda retarded seeing 5 tosens or byakuyas running around -.-). and there should be some kind of mana recharge spell

and ofcourse MOAR spellz ^.^

i like this map, and i hope you improve it, dude ^^

Kisame · Jan 2, 2010

I will make kidou spells cost no mana and increase the cooldowns on higher level spells then, but I will make zanpacutou skills still cost mana, as they are supposed to be ultimates. As for making zanpacutous only for the kidou casters, absolutely not. That eliminates the freedom this game aims to provide by allowing people to chose their own powers, with whatever model they like. Thank you for you feedback however. And enabling a normal attack? Don't be absurd. That would utterly ruin the whole theme as there are no kidou spells you can cast so quickly. If you ABSOLUTELY think there should be some form of attack I might consider making an attack skill for each of the caster models and give it to them, but i don't think it is likey i will.

Gothar_esp · Jan 4, 2010

I played this yesterday with my friend and:

- I don't know how to go to the city.
- The kido are hard to cast because are items, i suggest you to put them into skills again, in a spell book or something.
- You can use the same hero if you want, in the game there was 3 neliel, and it was confusing

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- I sugest to add music and more sounds, the gameplay will be better.

Kisame · Jan 4, 2010

:OOOOOO
Gothar

Hi!
I love your maps. Thanks, I will make it more clear how to get to the city, maybe some colourful lights and stuff ^_^
And good idea about the spellbook, i can make you able to have all of them that way

I like that more than one person can use the same hero though, cause the heroes have no models, its just which characters you like best.
I am working on the sounds of course ^_^, I am just having difficulty with the map size lol. Thanks again Gothar!

Khazadar · Jan 4, 2010

I tried to create a bleach map once, but gave up because of crappy models. Where did you find the ones you're using?

screamosilence · Jan 5, 2010

im sooo gona try this out NOW! ^_^

Kisame · Jan 5, 2010

You can get the models off of WarcraftUnlimited.

And whilst I appreciate all the feedback guys, I think I'm going to keep it as it is, ` regarding zanpacutou releases and characters`. Every game has 1 of each character and 1 of each zanpacutou, I want to be unique. The whole point of kidou wars isn't, `your sword is overpowered`. It's well, if you are chosing that sword, so will I.
I'm really insistent on keeping the hero and sword system the way it is, as I love it. However I am considering all the other points you have suggested.

I shall probably add a kill selection system, and the idea of the game is to fire where your opponent will be. You are supposed to utilize bakudou WITH hadou. Trap them before you fire. It works so much better. Thanks guys!

Khazadar · Jan 23, 2010

Just a little feedback on the hadou and bakudou.
The spells are too similar in function, and some of the spells should look different.
For example raikohou, wich is supposed to be a LIGHTNING attack, is shown as spheres of energy.
Byakurai and raikohô should use lightning effect from forked/chained lightning, and be target spells, wich raikohô have an AOE damage(perhaps same look as forked lightning) All i say is that many spells could be done better, but some are awsome as they are in both look and function. (Rujin Jakka's abilities, and highest bakudô and hadô for example)

And also: Spells SHOULD cost mana, but not very much. Those who have used all their mana usualy have killed a couple of enemies, and should then be temporarily weakened (to make sure they dont overrun all enemies just because they got the first 3-5 kills)
A few weaker spells could be with a very low mana cost (1/3 of normal for example), but at the cost of a greater cooldown.

Overall, you have done a great job, but as i said, most spells are too similar in functon to be entertaining. hope to see a fantastic final product from you.

Kisame · Mar 27, 2010

Ok Guys i really need this hosted by someone! Please tell me if you can!

SerpahCat · Apr 16, 2010

Glad to see that this has turned into a decent map, especially since it is a anime based map.

Now, you could add some more heroes, since you yourself said you want it to be unique, but it isnt the most essential thing.

Also, the range of some spells. In my opinion, they go a little to far(the projectiles such as cero). Now, while talking about cero, I dont think that the noise it makes is necessary, as it is annoying to certain people( I am one of them). The noise that a couple of the spells make's are nice, as the kiddo spells are hard to prounce, and the voices are ones from the actual show. Also, i think that the range of Itto Kaso is a bit much, even with shunpo, I suggest a range of 550 or somewere in the 500's, not 600.

Have you considered making new modes? such as hunt? where it is a free-for-all style except if you kill your target, they are out till the next round (you could make the arena were its played a little small mabey) and since many are annoyed about the fact of the characters not having there own skill's, you could possibly add a mode that the host could type in so that all the characters are unique with skills (or mabey add a teamdeath match mode or somethink with that idea incorporated)

In general, I think this is a good game, and can continued to be improved to be a good anime version of warlock.

Edit: I forgot to mention that you could make a -cam option, so people can zoom in and out more

Kisame · Apr 21, 2010

Thank you very much. All comments are appreciated especially when they are as detailed and in-depth as yours. I was already intending to add a free for all mode when I could, and as for Itto Kaso well -_- thats a new spell and its liable to have issues. I did REALLY want it in the game but loads of people hate it lol ^^ I can imagine why as some people don't seem to quite get that it should be used as a last resort. The hunt game mode is an interesting idea, as is the unique characters mode. Its things like that that I need to work on now rahter than adding ridiculous amounts of swords

PtheLord · Aug 5, 2011

Hey, is this map still being updated? I played it yesterday(randomly searching for different maps and came across this)
Also, i saw this map on mapgnome.org, but there it went up to v5.3

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