Berserker's Last Stand v2.2.0

Mister_Haudrauf · May 23, 2017

I am always happy to see some of my models to be used in a map of someone else.

I wish you good luck with getting the map approved.

BloodFuryLegion · May 23, 2017

Mister_Haudrauf said:
I am always happy to see some of my models to be used in a map of someone else.

I wish you good luck with getting the map approved.

Your models are awesome! Thanks i hope i will

kristoffer kørvell · May 23, 2017

Is this a campaign?

BloodFuryLegion · May 23, 2017

kristoffer kørvell said:
Is this a campaign?

i'll start working on the second chapter as soon as this one gets accepted.
It's a melee/campaign type of map, A bit of both elements. You discover the story as you progress along defeating the rest of the players, but this is just an introduction. The second chapter will be with more cinematics.

deepstrasz · May 24, 2017

Too many tags. Decide whether this is supposed to be an altered melee map, a cinematic, a campaign or whatever. You can keep the AI if it indeed contains that.

BloodFuryLegion · May 24, 2017

deepstrasz said:
Too many tags. Decide whether this is supposed to be an altered melee map, a cinematic, a campaign or whatever. You can keep the AI if it indeed contains that.

Done, got rid of most tags.

deepstrasz · May 24, 2017

BloodFuryLegion said:
Done, got rid of most tags.

Good, now how do you explain the difference between your account name and the name of the map's author?

BloodFuryLegion · May 24, 2017

deepstrasz said:
Good, now how do you explain the difference between your account name and the name of the map's author?

Kiko is my real life nickname, so i just added Entertainment next to it, i never thought it would cause problems for the map, since i posted it through this account i made in 2012. Il change it to BloodFuryLegion if necessary

Wardota2 Gamer · May 25, 2017

Hey I just played the map and heres my review:

1.One of the great thing that I love in the map i s the models and icons I really loved it
2.The terrain looke beautiful the placement of the trees camps and many more are balanced (not all)
3.I loved the cool demon hunter race
4.You should really put a credits list or a change log and a instruction in the quest log so that we will know what to do
5.I found a bug in the AI players when the map is like 20 minutes in game all of the AI players will stop I dont know why and I waited and they still hold position exept if I get near them

Rated the map 3/5
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Question:
I actually don't get what does the map stops for like 20 seconds?

Overall the map is awsome and fun to play I actually love the models and icons that's what I love in the map.Keep up the good work!

BloodFuryLegion · May 26, 2017

Wardota2 Gamer said:
Hey I just played the map and heres my review:

1.One of the great thing that I love in the map i s the models and icons I really loved it
2.The terrain looke beautiful the placement of the trees camps and many more are balanced (not all)
3.I loved the cool demon hunter race
4.You should really put a credits list or a change log and a instruction in the quest log so that we will know what to do
5.I found a bug in the AI players when the map is like 20 minutes in game all of the AI players will stop I dont know why and I waited and they still hold position exept if I get near them

Rated the map 3/5
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Question:
I actually don't get what does the map stops for like 20 seconds?

Overall the map is awsome and fun to play I actually love the models and icons that's what I love in the map.Keep up the good work!

Thank you so much for the honest review. I'll tend to the bugs you've found immadietly, especially the one where the AI stop at 20 minutes in game. Putting up quests and credit lists is what i'll learn doing at the moment and immadietly put up the change on this map. And im definitely already working on a sequel for this map, where the second chapter will be more about elaborating what's going on with the story and what is to be. Anyway thanks again and i'll see to fixing up all the bugs.

And the map pausing for like 20 secs probably has something to do with me forgetting to pause just a specific amount of units instead of mistakenly pausing all of them while some of the cinematics i made was running.

Update:
I fixed most issues, it should be good to go for now, but i'll further update the map to add more interesting things and test it if i find anything else.

^ never mind this, i did a second test and found some bugs, il further update the map starting of now.

deepstrasz · May 26, 2017

1. Why are there starting buildings underwater? (northeast, northwest, southwest, southeast)
2. Tavern heroes, are they a thing? If so, then save the map on the latest patch version for all of the them to be available.
3. Centaur Champion has a hero glow but is not a hero.
4. Some mines like one from the southwest have no neutral hostile units if said players do not fill the slot.
5. Change the idle Peon icon worker to the Chaos Peon's?
6. Orc race has insignificant gameplay/race changes (you've only edited some models, attack types and ranges; no custom abilities/spells/heroes/units).
7. Fel Orc Witch doesn't even have Healing Ward as the description says.

There isn't enough creativity to pass the approval line.
I suggest you rethink the gameplay and techtrees. Use your imagination. Don't hurry.

Set to Awaiting Update.

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Always check/recheck the Map Submission Rules! (Map Submission Rules)

A credits list is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated.

A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.

If you want more reviews, come here:
The Grand Review Exchange!

Mister_Haudrauf · May 27, 2017

Hey @BloodFuryLegion I updated my models that you use.

Varok Saurfang: Added Icon (& scorescreen) and fixed a minor issue

Bonechewer Grunt: Added Icons for Both.

You may want to replace Varok Saurfang with a newer version and use the Icons that i made for the models that you use.

BloodFuryLegion · May 27, 2017

That's Awesome!! I found him my favorite so he is going to be one of the main protagonists in the future map, so this is just perfect, anyway i was just about to update the map and i will swoop this change right in.
Thanks for notifying me!

BloodFuryLegion · May 27, 2017

deepstrasz said:
1. Why are there starting buildings underwater? (northeast, northwest, southwest, southeast)
2. Tavern heroes, are they a thing? If so, then save the map on the latest patch version for all of the them to be available.
3. Centaur Champion has a hero glow but is not a hero.
4. Some mines like one from the southwest have no neutral hostile units if said players do not fill the slot.
5. Change the idle Peon icon worker to the Chaos Peon's?
6. Orc race has insignificant gameplay/race changes (you've only edited some models, attack types and ranges; no custom abilities/spells/heroes/units).
7. Fel Orc Witch doesn't even have Healing Ward as the description says.

There isn't enough creativity to pass the approval line.
I suggest you rethink the gameplay and techtrees. Use your imagination. Don't hurry.

Set to Awaiting Update.

=================================================

Always check/recheck the Map Submission Rules! (Map Submission Rules)

A credits list is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated.

A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.

If you want more reviews, come here:
The Grand Review Exchange!

Hello! And thank you for the Honest and nicely detailed review, i have managed to fix most of these things as stated in the new version 2.1 spoiler above but i have a question about the custom spells/abilities, you see i purposefully left out them as the default spells/abilities etc, cause the AI wouldn't recognize the new ones (if it did work, oh man i not only would it be creative but..) , Could you guide me if there is a way of fixing this, or showing me some tip or a link to a tutorial, cause i've been trying to figure out to program my AI to use custom spells for the longest time, using triggers is tricky as hell and i'm not sure which triggers are best for the job. So i just left it as it is to function. Finding 8 players to play with you especially on a fresh new map like mine is pretty hard so i made it work with AI so you can enjoy it by yourself, But the custom spells thingy is tricky. And i'll try to put more unique fel models in the next version.

Update:
Made new custom heroes in the tavern with custom spells/abilities
i'll work on the night elf units tommorow.

deepstrasz · May 27, 2017

BloodFuryLegion said:
i have a question about the custom spells/abilities, you see i purposefully left out them as the default spells/abilities etc, cause the AI wouldn't recognize the new ones (if it did work, oh man i not only would it be creative but..) , Could you guide me if there is a way of fixing this

Well you could use the AI editor in the World Editor to make your custom AI. Maybe, there's a way to extract the game's AI files and then edit them in the AI editor to replace the default spells with the new ones. The harder way, is to trigger them with the Trigger Editor.
The sloppy way would be to just have the players with custom spells and the AI with default spells (at least change them like: Endurance Aura+Avatar (you don't necessarily need this as an ultimate)+Feral Spirit+whatever else. You still need the AI editor for the AI to know those though.

Some AI tutorials can be found here:
JASS/AI Scripts Tutorials

Wardota2 Gamer · May 27, 2017

deepstrasz said:
Well you could use the AI editor in the World Editor to make your custom AI. Maybe, there's a way to extract the game's AI files and then edit them in the AI editor to replace the default spells with the new ones. The harder way, is to trigger them with the Trigger Editor.
The sloppy way would be to just have the players with custom spells and the AI with default spells (at least change them like: Endurance Aura+Avatar (you don't necessarily need this as an ultimate)+Feral Spirit+whatever else. You still need the AI editor for the AI to know those though.

Some AI tutorials can be found here:
JASS/AI Scripts Tutorials

Agreed!

BloodFuryLegion · May 27, 2017

deepstrasz said:
Well you could use the AI editor in the World Editor to make your custom AI. Maybe, there's a way to extract the game's AI files and then edit them in the AI editor to replace the default spells with the new ones. The harder way, is to trigger them with the Trigger Editor.
The sloppy way would be to just have the players with custom spells and the AI with default spells (at least change them like: Endurance Aura+Avatar (you don't necessarily need this as an ultimate)+Feral Spirit+whatever else. You still need the AI editor for the AI to know those though.

Some AI tutorials can be found here:
JASS/AI Scripts Tutorials

Got it! Thanks so much.

deepstrasz · Jun 2, 2017

Please use some hidden/spoiler tags on the credits in your description to ease reading. Text colour variation wouldn't hurt either.
Waiting for that techtree update.

BloodFuryLegion · Jun 20, 2017

deepstrasz said:
Please use some hidden/spoiler tags on the credits in your description to ease reading. Text colour variation wouldn't hurt either.
Waiting for that techtree update.

Updated the map finally after some weeks of working with it.
Changed a lot of things, most of the things i changed are announced at the new VERSION 2.2.0 CHANGES tab.
Added new custom heroes in the tavern, overhauled the demonhunter race and added custom upgrades to their race.
Added new custom spells for all heroes and unit sound sets for some heroes, Balanced some units etc.. many many things.

Mister_Haudrauf · Jun 20, 2017

Nice to a Preview Picture of Varok Saurfang. How proud he stands there.

Rubellu Sidus · Jun 25, 2017

I'm honored that you used my models in your map.

Thank you very much!!!

I'll play it as soon as I can

deepstrasz · Jun 27, 2017

1. Blackhand has the Far Seer's description. The other heroes have no abilities mentioned in their description (like how Warcraft III did it).
2. Why does almost every neutral hostile unit have Disease Cloud?
3. Fel Orcs are still a copy of Orcs, sadly. I wonder how Chaos damage on every unit calls for balance against the other races (except for the hero ultimates; the Shadow Hunter's is very laggy).

4. Heroes of the Demon Hunter faction have weird and long descriptions. Make all of them follow a pattern.
5. Fel Spirit is also present on Blackhand.
6. It's not Shadowcaster's spell but attack range in that upgrade/research's description.
7. Idle workers look like Chaos Peons.
8. Hevnoraak has no hero glow. You could make one: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
9. Satyr Queen also has Shadow Strike. Having two heroes with the same spell is not just unbalanced but bad design. Her ultimate's icon position is wrong.
10. Ancient of Health training looks like a Treant and so does that upgrade for the Ancient of Mana.
11. Pretty dangerous to have Mana Burn on units and on a hero.
12. Two units with Spell Immunity... I don't know.
13. Some heroes are just Night Elf copies with changed models and names.
14. Still has a lot of Night Elf in it. Could be better.

Awaiting Update.

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