Battleships Crossfire 4.64

Moderator · Jul 16, 2009

Re-moderation:

Date: 2011/Oct/07 16:57:59
Vengeancekael: VM // PM:
Status: Approved
Rating: 4/5 Recommended
Rep Received: 1

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Comment: Review:

Gameplay:

The map features a wide variety of ships, early on you only have a really useless and not so cool looking ship, however you can quickly get a better ship and you have a lot of choices, maybe more than 50 ships.
The weapons are also really flashy looking, although some of them aren't really medieval like weapons, but hey it's just a game.
The weapon doubling feature is also really cool, allowing you to upgrade a weapon and keep improving your ship even though you have 6 weapons equipped.
There are also a lot of weapons to choose from and every ship has its own special ability(ies). Every ship does have the 3 basic passive abilities, although please do give them passive icons.
There are also different roles in the map, you can either attack the enemy by following the basic 'AoS' type lanes with AI support or be a trader and get wares and items.

Terrain:

The bases look really cool, you've used matching custom building models and tower models, everything looks very polished, however it still feels a bit empty, there are no rocks, plants or anything around towers that are in the middle of the ocean on a very tiny island. And the areas to the right are really shallow and empty, just some blizzard cliffs with no plants or anything, maybe make some huge archs or something, or a gigantic waterfall area.

Other:

A neat looking loading screen+preview image, the in-game text is short, well written, informative and colorized.
There's also a quest log with tips, the objectives, ...
You've also used neat custom icons for the UI as well and also a custom UI texture, making it look fresh.

Suggestions:
*Bind the skill hotkeys to QWER
*Add text to the exit button like 'Menu' or 'Exit'

Overall:

A neat mod to a great map, although not a lot of huge features and not that many new features and the terrain could have been better.

ap0: Rejected

18:01, 16th Jul 2009
PurplePoot: I'm "rejecting" this not as an actual rejection but just as a tag to let you know that I've looked at it--it will automatically be reset to pending status when you modify it. I don't doubt that you have permission for this map and know it's been around for a while. It's a fairly fun map, and I'll have to make sure it credits imported material and all but is for the most part likely to be approved.

However, could you please update the description to include some description of the gameplay? A screenshot or two would be great as well, but by no means necessary.

R.e.A.p.E.r-XxX · Jul 16, 2009

do this map as AI????

oddsocks · Jul 16, 2009

Either a good map or a communist conspiracy... I have never seen so many political references in a map.

Say_No_To_War · Jul 20, 2009

No this map does not support AI yet.
Of course the North and South Empire have spawnships that are moved by script, as in all other Battleships Maps.

lol communist conspiracy :O
Well y I added many political or fun descriptions for items, I like them more then unpolitical talk.

At the beginning my motivation was rebalancing the map to prevent goblins from winning so many games (in the old bs cf 1.6).
Later my motivation changed to s.th. that can in short words be described as telling untold stories, revealing the other side of the coin.

Svenski · Mar 22, 2010

Best Bships mod ever.

This is the only battleship mod that I play. I think it's by far the most unique and there are so many unique styles of play. The weapons and ships are really cool, all kinds of good commands like -discoship. I mean seriously. -discoship.

Anyway yeah +5/5 from me.

martinxx24 · Jul 7, 2010

Possible Glitch

This might be my own stupidity talking, but I was buying the second tradeship with my captain out of the ship and it froze up my ship permanently :sad:

. Either a notice that captains have to stay in their ships while buying new ones or a captain reset command would be appreciated, also, it's not just with that ship, I tried a new game and did the same thing with a ship or two and every time it happened.

Otherwise, One of my favorite games! :pir:

Say_No_To_War · Jul 8, 2010

@martinxx24
thx, will be corrected in 4.49.

SantaMaria · Jul 8, 2010

Once again a really nice map of Bships ! 5/5

Ironside · Aug 11, 2010

Information:

As a Reviewer of the Map Reviewers Group, I joined the THW Cleaning Event.
I end up writing a fast review, or just posting the end state of the map, rating is not always included!

Current State for this map: Rejected

I will contact the moderator to Approve/Reject the map, depending on what you recieved.

Say_No_To_War · Mar 8, 2011

I wonder if any admin will approve the map now... I improved the description and added 7 screenshots. I bet this is the only map under the most played maps in bnet which is beeing rejected here.

Not to mention that there are not many maps who have such an active community and a ranked league with sores and thousands of players on playing it. Really scary that it ever was rejected here - expecially because of all the other approved maps here who are not really played by anyone...

Who_iS_RuBeN · Mar 26, 2011

hahaha how can it be rejected here ^^ this map is the reason why i still play warcraft 3 !!! its the best map in the battle net !!! and this explains the magnificence and the big size of the community (just check wc3bs.com )

Cweener · Apr 13, 2011

Posts deleted.

Wazzz, chill out.
I know it's your personality, but hide it.

Say_No_To_War, if you're going to report the post, then don't reply to it, it will just cause more of a shit storm.
And don't call other users a troll.
He didn't even troll you and you called him a name, that's not very nice.
And then you called HIM the troll. :|

What he said was true though.

Not to mention that there are not many maps who have such an active community and a ranked league with sores and thousands of players on playing it. Really scary that it ever was rejected here - expecially because of all the other approved maps here who are not really played by anyone...

Here, on THW, we honestly have no care in the world how popular your map is.
At all.
In any way.

A map that nobody has ever heard of and never even hosted on BNet can be approved.
And a very poorly designed map with a huge community behind it CAN be rejected.

The fact that you think otherwise proves what wazzz said as true.
You can't think that because you have a hge community behind you, that you will get an approval.

We have a content filter here.
It filters bad maps.
It's made up of 3-4 Users that dedicate their time and effort to be this filter.

The filter will reach your map when it reaches your map.
Until then, stop whining. There were about 300 people with (that are still) pending maps here first.

Vengeancekael · Oct 4, 2011

I'll be handling this 'situation' in 1-2 hours. Hold on to your cups.

edit: First off, jesus christ spam the map types/categories some more ;_; It's best if you stick to one type/category.
Secondly, to put screenshots in the actual description, just copy the image's url and do this:

PHP:

[img]IMAGE URL HERE[/img]

Now to the actual situation:
Say_No_To_War, you are clearly the one wanting to make a political fight out of this, while insulting other users without them actually being provocative or anything. Everyone here is trying to make clear to you, that we really don't care how popular a map is, we always check the map's aspects first and also its description on the hiveworkshop, if you're not breaking any rules etc.
And if you do break any of the rules, your map will be rejected. There will be no exceptions for you, just BECAUSE it's a popular map.

The initial reason for the rejection was that you had not listed everyone under credits.
And you still haven't. You've listed some of them and then written 'to be continued'. If you're missing 1-2 users, it's ok, but if you know other users then list them all. However I do not know if Cweeners reason to reject your map was also missing credits.

And please do not insult others an just call them trolls. Try to behave on this site, we're trying to be a nice community.
Thread cleaned.

Also some suggestions:
*A lot of the passive skills have active icons
*There's too many in-game messages at a time
*Main menu button doesn't have text
*Remove missing players from the leaderboard

Say_No_To_War · Oct 4, 2011

Thanks for your time, Vengeancekael.

- I fixed the types, now only AoS & medieval.
- Fixed the screenshot links, thanks, I didn't know that. Is it ok like that?
- I updated the credits again. Still not all iconmakers can be credited due to several reasons:
There are over 160 icons and not all have been imported by myself. But I think the list would be far too long for anyone to read anyway. I made a posting under every ressource I imported in the last years (exept maybe very few who got forgotten due to late evening time), usually I am also adding reputation. The model-, trigger- and spellmakers and the iconmakers who said that they want to be mentioned (in their icon-posting) should be all mentioned.
The list is also a quest ingame which will always be continued, because the map is not finished yet and some may be forgotten. Some even got a ship named in honor of their work, such as olofmoleman, lorc_da_orc and many others.

Thanks for your suggestions for next version:

Vengeancekael said:
*A lot of the passive skills have active icons

Well sked made Battleships and changing that standard icons would maybe not be understandable for Battleships fans. But thanks, its an idea which should be discussed (none suggested that in 6 years maybe because its the same in nearly all Battleships maps).

Vengeancekael said:
*There's too many in-game messages at a time

Maybe just klick "Help messages off" at start or use "-help off" (but its already reduced a little bit for next version).

Vengeancekael said:
*Main menu button doesn't have text

Thats a problem? May people renamed that button, I removed that text. Thats not a bug, its wanted. Btw in "Battleships Pro" its called "noob exit", I liked to just remove the name instead.

Vengeancekael said:
*Remove missing players from the leaderboard

Well at last not always. Usually people dont start without at least 8 players, so I never thought its worth the work. If you start without Goblins the last 2 lines are removed. But if someone leaves ingame it should be displayed how many kills/deaths he/she had.

WherewolfTherewolf · Oct 5, 2011

Because you respond

Vengeancekael · Oct 5, 2011

Thats a problem? May people renamed that button, I removed that text. Thats not a bug, its wanted. Btw in "Battleships Pro" its called "noob exit", I liked to just remove the name instead.

I still don't understand why you would remove the 'Exit' text.

Well sked made Battleships and changing that standard icons would maybe not be understandable for Battleships fans. But thanks, its an idea which should be discussed (none suggested that in 6 years maybe because its the same in nearly all Battleships maps).

I'm not trying to be rude here, but if battleship players would get confused because spells would have an actual fitting icon, then they probably have some issues.

And no, Wazzz is not trolling.
He may be trolling other threads a lot, but not this one. He can be serious if he wants to and it's usually in chat where he trolls other users.
If there really is an issue, just report the post/user.

But to just call it poorly designed or "This map is rejected and can cause errors."

The user did not actually write that, that message pops up when it's rejected. It's mostly a generalized sentence.

I will be looking at the map and probably write a review for it, so until then, pending.
Also put the screenshots under hidden tags:

PHP:

[hidden=]IMAGES[/hidden]

Wazzz · Oct 5, 2011

so i take it this is a bit of an 'add-on', so to speak, to the original battleships mod?

and i take it you have permission to modify said map mod?

and i take it the 'thousands of players' is for this mod, not any other version of the battleships mod?

Say_No_To_War · Oct 5, 2011

Well the "exit" was mainly removed in a not serious attemt to reduce the number of leavers many years ago.

Maybe its time to readd it.

Really I didnt mean my answer to the passive/achive buttons to be rude. Its sometimes very good to hear the opinion of someone external. Active buttons for Passive buttons also stressed me in other maps, but never in battleships cause I am used to it. Will be changed.

I have the permission to edit this mod by the previous makers Timber_wolf25 and Sked.
As far as I know only Battleships Pro and Battleships Crossfire are still active. The numers of players/games I mean are usually only for Battleships Crossfire.

btw: I found the bb codelist now, thx.

Vengeancekael · Oct 6, 2011

You could just use a template.
And expect my review on friday/saturday.

Say_No_To_War · Oct 6, 2011

Oh thx, now it looks nice. I must have oversight it when looking in tutorials. I am looking forward for your review. If you want you can also join us in one of the betatests. I guess I will be online in europe battle.net in the evening times.

Vengeancekael · Oct 7, 2011

Review:

Gameplay:

The map features a wide variety of ships, early on you only have a really useless and not so cool looking ship, however you can quickly get a better ship and you have a lot of choices, maybe more than 50 ships.
The weapons are also really flashy looking, although some of them aren't really medieval like weapons, but hey it's just a game.
The weapon doubling feature is also really cool, allowing you to upgrade a weapon and keep improving your ship even though you have 6 weapons equipped.
There are also a lot of weapons to choose from and every ship has its own special ability(ies). Every ship does have the 3 basic passive abilities, although please do give them passive icons.
There are also different roles in the map, you can either attack the enemy by following the basic 'AoS' type lanes with AI support or be a trader and get wares and items.

Terrain:

The bases look really cool, you've used matching custom building models and tower models, everything looks very polished, however it still feels a bit empty, there are no rocks, plants or anything around towers that are in the middle of the ocean on a very tiny island. And the areas to the right are really shallow and empty, just some blizzard cliffs with no plants or anything, maybe make some huge archs or something, or a gigantic waterfall area.

Other:

A neat looking loading screen+preview image, the in-game text is short, well written, informative and colorized.
There's also a quest log with tips, the objectives, ...
You've also used neat custom icons for the UI as well and also a custom UI texture, making it look fresh.

Suggestions:
*Bind the skill hotkeys to QWER
*Add text to the exit button like 'Menu' or 'Exit'

Overall:

A neat mod to a great map, although not a lot of huge features and not that many new features and the terrain could have been better.

Rating: 4/5

copsychus · Oct 8, 2011

Best ever battleships maps with a lot of option such as combine recipe, more ships with unique ability in each ship, quest, whale hunts and fishing mode, custom model, guide for newbie and etc but terrain seem poor

Better than other battle ships and always updated

well, i play a long time so i can call it a great battle ships

Say_No_To_War · Oct 17, 2011

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Join the qualify to get qualified and then join the League. Check wc3bs.com to see your points.

Thanks Vegeancekael for approving this. Its nice to see it here between the other maps as a normal working map.

I implemented the active-to-passive buttonchange, thx. Hotkeys are mostly close to each other, on "wertfgcvbn". Menu text is still invis, it did not make it to the to do list but its still in my mind.

Btw there are less doodads in the offshore areas where nearly no gameplay takes place to improve the performance. The map is already near the normal doodad limit and hard to play on slower pcs.

SulfurFlus · Dec 27, 2011

Gameplay wise, this map is very good. But it feels too much like a communistic propaganda. The author is clearly strongly biased towards the left-wing and frankly this map would be far better off without so many political references.

copsychus · Dec 27, 2011

I really bored this map already because i used only 2-3 Gamma Cannon and it always won.

Say_No_To_War · Dec 28, 2011

Communism or enviromentalism

SulfurFlus said:
Gameplay wise, this map is very good. But it feels too much like a communistic propaganda. The author is clearly strongly biased towards the left-wing and frankly this map would be far better off without so many political references.

Why does the map feel like communistic propaganda? There are also anarchist and alot more enviromentalism hints in it ("Greenpeace vs Whalehunters"). What has protecting the whales to do with communism? Tolerance is something to be learned by experiencing it.

copsychus said:
I really bored this map already because i used only 2-3 Gamma Cannon and it always won.

Weapons are balanced by formular and are very balanced due to that. In many games you cant afford 2-3 gamma cannons up to the end. In such games other (smaller) weapons can be better to use the value of each itemslot.
And weapons also depend on the range of your allies and on the ships your team chooses.

Cosmas · Dec 30, 2011

5/5 for irony in fitting your name to map.

SulfurFlus · Jan 1, 2012

Say_No_To_War said:
Why does the map feel like communistic propaganda? There are also anarchist and alot more enviromentalism hints in it ("Greenpeace vs Whalehunters"). What has protecting the whales to do with communism? Tolerance is something to be learned by experiencing it.

Let's see the list of communistic references in the map.
Subcomandante Marcos
EZLN
Lenins Hammers
Marxsmen Crew
Capitalist Gun
Manifest
Sailors Union
Communistic Crew
Spirit of the Revolution
Strike-Ship
Battleship Potemkin
Red October
International Brigade

While some are written in a joking manner, some are clearly designed to convince players to accept author's views as their own.

Communistic propaganda isn't the only one present, but it is the one that stuck out the most to me and is the most dangerous. This doesn't change the fact that a significant portion of the map is propagandistic in nature.

Also the map seems to be quite untolerant of capitalism.

Say_No_To_War · Jan 2, 2012

Not everything that looks leftwing is communism

Subcomandante Marcos & EZLN - The EZLN is not fully communist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_Army_of_National_Liberation said:
Although the ideology of the EZLN is reflective of libertarian socialist politics, paralleling both anarchist and libertarian Marxist thought in many respects, the EZLN has rejected and defied political classification; retaining its distinctiveness due in part to the importance of indigenous Mayan beliefs in Zapatismo thought.

Capitalist Gun - Critics on Capitalism = Communism? oO
Red October - Do you know the film "The Hunt for Red October" with Sean Connery?
Strike-Ship & Sailors Union - Expecially big (General-)Strikes are usually made by unions which strongly oppose communism.

For the others u mentioned I agree with you. They contain pro-communist political argumenting in tooltips, so they can be called communist propaganda if u like to (there are even some more

:

SulfurFlus said:
Lenins Hammers
Manifest
Communistic Crew
Spirit of the Revolution
International Brigade
Battleship Potemkin

While some are written in a joking manner, some are clearly designed to convince players to accept author's views as their own.
Communistic propaganda isn't the only one present, but it is the one that stuck out the most to me and is the most dangerous. This doesn't change the fact that a significant portion of the map is propagandistic in nature.
Also the map seems to be quite untolerant of capitalism.

I dont see whats dangerous about that. I never support stalinism/state-capitalism or however you wanna call those "socialist" dictatorships in any but oppose them in many tooltips.

As you can see capitalism is also unable to solve the problems of the world. We have corruption, poorness and starvation at the same time as overproduction and exessive wealth. Maybe I didnt mention the good aspects of capitalism (which are undenieable), but I guess most people already know that out of their rl and from the mostly neoliberal media. I also made the map to show other points of view to the players (and not only communist, but also anarchist, zapatist, enviromentalist, unionists, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, Seashepherd,...). Without that initial motivation I would prolly not have started making maps in wc3 at all.
But I guess we can at last agree that every good thing has also bad sides.

Btw: Thanks for making me look in the tooltips again, I found some spellings & cuts.

SulfurFlus · Jan 3, 2012

Say_No_To_War said:
Subcomandante Marcos & EZLN - The EZLN is not fully communist:

While maybe not fully communist, it certainly has some very socialist/communistic overtones.

Say_No_To_War said:
Capitalist Gun - Critics on Capitalism = Communism? oO

While there have been many critics of capitalism, communists are one of the most visible and vicious in their critiques.

Say_No_To_War said:
Red October - Do you know the film "The Hunt for Red October" with Sean Connery?

Haven't seen it, I know of it. Anyways, this clearly falls under the "in a joking manner"

Say_No_To_War said:
Strike-Ship & Sailors Union - Expecially big (General-)Strikes are usually made by unions which strongly oppose communism.

Unions are usually tied pretty close to the left-wing parties which in most places includes communists/socialists. While they can be an effective way to protect the workers from the excessive greed of the employer, they can be and often are used to stifle the competition from newcomers willing to work for less than the union wage, artificially increasing wages through limiting the labor supply and mantaining the status quo in general.

Say_No_To_War said:
For the others u mentioned I agree with you. They contain pro-communist political argumenting in tooltips, so they can be called communist propaganda if u like to (there are even some more :

Say_No_To_War said:
I dont see whats dangerous about that. I never support stalinism/state-capitalism or however you wanna call those "socialist" dictatorships in any but oppose them in many tooltips.

The problem I have with supporting communism is the fact that those stalinist/state-capitalist dictatorships always come from support such as this. Those somewhat educated in the matter spread the idea to the masses, the masses elect a leader, the leader disposes of the disgruntled somewhat educated initiators and voilá, another USSR, China, North Korea or Vietnam.

Say_No_To_War said:
As you can see capitalism is also unable to solve the problems of the world. We have corruption, poorness and starvation at the same time as overproduction and exessive wealth. Maybe I didnt mention the good aspects of capitalism (which are undenieable), but I guess most people already know that out of their rl and from the mostly neoliberal media.

While capitalism might not be able to solve this world's problems, the thought it should be is fallacious for it has so far never been proven the problems of this world can be solved or solved without causing other problems. Also the ability to solve the world's problems of other ideologies is dubious. Corruption, starvation and overproduction are problems stemming mainly from imperfect information and geographical factors, which can hardly be changed by ideologies.

As for the knowledge of the advantages of capitalism, the neoliberal media seem to be rather informing the public of all the catastrophes and blunders of capitalistic societies than their advantages.

Say_No_To_War said:
I also made the map to show other points of view to the players (and not only communist, but also anarchist, zapatist, enviromentalist, unionists, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, Seashepherd,...). Without that initial motivation I would prolly not have started making maps in wc3 at all.

Unfortunately the map shows only the other points of view, showing only the supposedly good sides of some ideologies and only the bad sides of others, coming off as a propaganda piece. Also the level of detail given to the political references is quite inconsistent with the rest of the descriptions.

danmolino · Feb 14, 2012

Atlast a new version of this game i love to play this version of battleship crossfire because no offence but i think it gives me an impression not like the other battleship maps

GONZALORD · Sep 27, 2012

Cannons are auto/aim,fire?
Those tipe of cannons aren't cool

4/5 For a really epic work on the map...
Manual epic cannons are the only thing your map needs for a 5/5 epic calification n_n
Awesome terrain sure e.e

nhs325 · Jan 16, 2014

This is one of the best maps I've ever played,and the best of this kind of map. The hilariousGreenpeace vs Whalehunters? Can't belive it. This led to a question: are you in theGreenpeace?

Say_No_To_War · Jan 17, 2014

lol, thx.
No I am not in Greenpeace, but I like some of their actions, same as SeaShepherd.

btw note that we make a free to play game out of this mod:
www.13attleships.com

Nudl9 · Jun 4, 2019

Work on your community man, its utter shite.
I waited for half an hour to play and get kicked the last minute without a warning.
Always the same shit with leavers and hosts being dirtbags.
The games takes forever to fill and and getting kicked like that is the worst f- feeling.
It's really distasteful and it turns people away from the game.
People already hate battle tanks community, don't make the same mistake they did.
I like the game, but i have zero interesting in playing it at this point.

Darkshadow95 · Mar 12, 2022

First of all, can somebody upload the newest version here? On battle.net there are versions 4.90 and 4.91 hosted often.
Also a player called "gerlem" just hosted a fake version of the map. Be aware that this player spreads fake custom versions across the battle.net. Do not join his matches please.

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