Battle Royale Dynasty 1.75

Moderator · Jun 10, 2010

00:38, 18th Jun 2010
VGsatomi: A well rounded map. You created a good theme using the imported material. The text and UI really enhanced the setting. Some of the spells appear to be pretty powerful compared to others, particularly with the ranged characters. The map is fairly small for this sort of Hero Arena-type map, but that can also be a bonus in that it allows for short games. The rematch feature adds a lot to the replay value and the AI makes solo gaming compatible. My only advice is continue to spice up the terrain and maybe adds a bit more playing field so players don't bump into each other so easily.

Cweener · Jun 10, 2010

Description has a good length, but,
[rainbow]Go here for codes to help with your description good sir, because beleive it or not, that's the only thing keeping me from downloading and reviewing this map.

If you'd like some examples of a good description try the following links, and maybe give rep to the authors for being so awesome

Shining Waters by R.Gaming_Strike

Avatar by dj0z

Feel free to let me know when description is updated so I may review the map.

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Teldrassil · Jun 10, 2010

aha the funny part is this is the link I have open in my other tab: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/misc.php?do=bbcode

just learning to do that now lol

EDIT: attempted to return the text to what it was as I move the changelog to the map description

Cweener · Jun 10, 2010

haha, Okay good job then :thumb_up:

light bolt30 · Jun 11, 2010

Why not just put the changelog into the map description itself?

Teldrassil · Jun 11, 2010

Because that means I would have to press the update button on the map even when all I'm doing is changing text. I'm fairly certain that using the update button when I'm not really updating is a hassle for the mods, but I could be wrong, either way, simply editing a post is easier.

Cweener · Jun 11, 2010

no it's not. It won't even put your map at the top of the maps list unless you put a map into the area where it asks for a map. Just updating the description won't do anything.

EDIT: well, here's the review.

CWeener's Review {Protected maps} V2.98 Review # 14

Reviewing the map "Battle Royale Dynasty 1.61"

Rating System (in weener points:)

1-10 Originality
1-10 Replayability (discounted for cinematics*)
1-10 Triggering (discounted for protected maps*)
1-10 Terraining
1-10 Object Managing (custom items and destructibles etc...)
1-10 Spells (if applies**)
1-10 Description
1-15 Engaging a.k.a. fun to play
1-15 Misc (size, system implementation, laginess etc...)
-100 or +100 for abiding by THW rules.
_{* = when one is discounted then other sections maximums are raised, and those sections are judged harder (if your map applies then it will show you what i raised later)

** = some maps dont really need spells so this section is discounted and given an automatic 10.}

Rating System Scores

Less than 100 = FF- (Reported, You clearly didnt abide by all of the posting rules, and i have reported you for (not) doing so.)
100-150 Points = F- (Rancid and Needs major work. Vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
151-160 Points = F (Bad and Needs work. vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
161-170 Points = D (Below Average and Needs much updating. has potential. vote for rejection and no +rep.)
171-180 Points = C (Okay but Needs updates. has potential. vote for rejection* and no +rep.)
181-190 Points = B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval but no +rep)
191-199 Points = A (Great and probably has reached full potential**. good job. vote for approval and +rep.)
200 Points = A+ (Amazing, you did everything right and went all out, approval and +rep)
_{* = depending on the map really, and what categories it scored low in

** = not always but most cases.}

Battle Royale Dynasty 1.61

_{Triggering scores not available, so other maximums were raised(see rating system*)}

1-11 Originality *9* while this map has unique aspects, it's main concept is has been done on occasion.
1-11 Replayabilit5 *9* Fairly fun with friends, and the UI amazes me everytime
1-11 Terraining *11* Very nice in every aspect.
1-11 Object Managing *10* Good work on tooltips being accurate.
1-11 Spells *10* All are fully functioning
1-11 Description *8* Nice, could use screenshots however.
1-17 Engaging *15* It engages you for a few games +
1-17 Misc *16* The UI was wonderful, gd I wish you could show me how to do this. My complaints were it's sheer size, but you only got points off, for no AI.
-100 or 100 Rules *100*
0-200 All-in-all *188* B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval and +rep was given)

Author's Note,

Amazing. Simply amazing. I wish you could show me the UI thing, and custom text though Good job. 5/5

Bugs:
Nothing that I could see.

Recommendations:
my dislikes say it all.

[liked]
Custom UI
Custom Font
Custom Models
The Japanese anime feeling to it
The Execution
Effort that was clearly put in.

[didn't like]
Needs an AI though... :/ AI just sit there after game start.

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If any map I've reviewed has been updated, feel free the ask me to re-review it. or if I haven't reviewed YOUR map, feel free to ask me.

ACdestinydream · Jun 12, 2010

Review by ACdestinydream

Score system

your map would be given points as in the following criterias. The number at the side are the total score you can get from that aspect.

Description [10]
Creativity [15]
Triggering [15]
Playability [5]
Object Managing [10]
Terrain [15]

Overall [70]

description

Description [10]
This aspect determines how much work you have put into your map's description.

1~3 You did not put enough work into it.
4~7 It looks good, but it lacks screenshots etc.
8~10 It is just that perfect! Keep it up!

Creativity [15]
This aspect determines how much creatvity you have put into your map.

1~5 This map is obviously copied.
6~10 This map lacks some creativity.
11~15 You have thought of many ideas and it is quite creative with many different things which others do not have. Good job!

Triggering [15]
This aspect determines how much triggering work you have put into your map.

1~5 This map is full of leaks and it have many bad triggers.
6~10 This map have quite alot of leaks yet it is still playable.
11~15 This map have little leaks and uses good triggers.

Playability [5]
This aspect determines whether your map is fun to play or not.

1~2 Boring game with little/no help given.
3~4 Quite a fun game yet the playability is not there yet.
5 This map is fun and enjoyable.

Object Managing [10]
This aspect determines how well you have put in custom models/icons to fit your map.

1~3 Wrong usage of custom models/icons and bad tooltips/missing tooltips.
4~7 Custom models were used correctly but there are still some bad tooltips.
8~10 Little/no mistake in tooltips or icons.

Terrain [15]
This aspect determines how well did you terrain your map.

1~5 Bland terrain/doodad spammage/bad looking places/wrong usage of tiles
6~10 Some of the doodads were used correctly and some of the terrains were bad looking.
11~15 Great usage of doodads with good placement of different buildings etc.

Overall:
1~10 1/5 map rating with a Reject. [No rep]
11~20 2/5 map rating with a Reject. [No rep]
21~30 2/5 map rating with an Approve. [No rep]
31~40 3/5 map rating with an Approve. [No rep]
41~50 3/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]
51~60 4/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]
61~70 5/5 map rating with an Approve. [+rep]

My review of Battle Royale Dynasty

Description [6/10]

It does not describe this map very much. However, u placed credits which many maps will forget to.

Creativity [12/15]

This map is very creative as it does not copies any other maps.

Triggering [11/15]

Many skills were custom made (nearly all) but some of the skills were too strong and some characters just pure own.

Playability [2/5]

It gets boring really quickly as it lacks the length of a normal game.

Object managing [9/10]

All the charaters were custom and all icons and tooltips were properly placed. I only dislike how big the map is D=

Terrain [7/15]

There were many areas, but those areas were flat with many trees.

personal comment:
Battle royale Dynasty is a fast-paced survival game where players kill each other and the game will end. However, there are many un-balanced heroes such as the legend which have those stunning skills. He just kills the game. The maiden too. She have a map dmg (wow?) which is painful and long ranged. This makes her really unbalanced. work on it.

Overall = 6 + 12 + 11 +2 + 9 + 7 = 47/70 (3/5 rating with approve and rep)

Final rating: 47/70 (3/5 map rating + approve + rep)

Reviewed by ACdestinydream. Please contact me if you disagree with my review or you want me to review your map again.

Teldrassil · Jun 12, 2010

Thank you for your reviews and taking the time to bother with it, I was thinking of adding in game options to decrease the size of the arena or decrease the countdown timer. I have been working on AI, it just isn`t completed yet and will be available in future versions.

I`ll try to add some nice screenshots into the description, maybe play with the height fields on the terrain to make it a little more interesting. I however don`t much believe in height levels that vary too much on playable terrain, as it leaves units standing awkwardly and causes dummy units to fly in odd angles. I would enjoy more feudal styled doodads to make the terrain suit the theme a little more though.

I am most eagerly trying to balance the map, however it is hard to know what is "overpowered" when the only person you have to test with is yourself, hopefully I can improve the balance as the game progresses.

ACdestinydream · Jun 12, 2010

i would gladly test it with you now. pm me.

heights is a must. did u ever see a flat forest ground? its impossible.

s.t.a.l.k.e.r. · Jun 13, 2010

love this game. few imbalances, of course, legend and sensei really really need to be nerfed, and of course ai needs to do something better then just stay in one place, in order for host to be able to fill up empty slots with them. but otherwise i really really like the idea and the concept, keep it up ^^

Fat · Jun 15, 2010

Yo, this map has cool ideas

though you should nerf some heroes , some of them are crazy.. but in original Battle Royalle movie nobody was equall either

my suggestion , make danger zones smaller , and more of them, and make them appear randomly, not in same order game after game, that would be much better , cuz games allways end around fountain atm

Ryvawolf · Jun 21, 2010

For some reason I am unable to play it when I select it. It did this on other maps as well that I have downloaded. Any one know what might be the problem?

Teldrassil · Jun 23, 2010

Well there could be any number of problems, common ones being:

There is a problem with your installation of warcraft
Your version of warcraft is not up to date with patch 1.24
(some maps are incompatible and others have too large of file size)
The file name of the map is too long for warcraft to recognize

as well as many others, try updating your game, shortening the file names of the maps that wont work, or even reinstalling.

Ryvawolf · Jun 24, 2010

It was probably the patch. I didn't notice mine was 1.18. Thanks for the input now i can enjoy playing more maps. (x3)

arphax214 · Jun 24, 2010

i think this is more fun to play if its in aos style map..

Super-Sheep · Jun 29, 2010

aahh... first battle royale maps <3

but what the fuck is with this animeshit

Teldrassil · Jun 29, 2010

well super sheep, this isn't "anime shit" it's "omg black_Stan made cool models, I want to create a game based around them."

and I'd appreciate more comments based on the game itself not personal opinion

Ryvawolf · Jun 29, 2010

I'm curious if you can add a team mode to this game unless it already has one that I didn't notice or death match or AOS. I would actually love that. >.>

Super-Sheep · Jun 29, 2010

Teldrassil said:
well super sheep, this isn't "anime shit" it's "omg black_Stan made cool models, I want to create a game based around them."

and I'd appreciate more comments based on the game itself not personal opinion

lol i hate them even more as i cant even dream about hosting maps with 9999 filesize with 1mbit inet.

Teldrassil · Jun 29, 2010

haha fair enough, surprisingly though its never that bad when I host it, I have a couple games (like azeroth wars) that take for friggin ever to dl and load, and this dl / load is nothin compared to them. Tis a shame though cause the maps only getting bigger.

copsychus · Jul 3, 2010

Your maps is so fun.

but one big disadvantge is it quite slow for running this game

make some boring to wait , all of heroes have to died first until next game will start again.

maybe this map is not match to me because i am a hothead person.

but some ppl may feel like me too.

do you have any opinion?

Tanasren · Jul 9, 2010

This map is so great !
Battleroyale is normaly made with random powers, so you should add more random luck, like items at start (some got ubber items, some don't), why the danger zones are not "pinged" on the minimap ? Make them randomly selected too !
I'll post later when i'll test v1.65

Tanasren · Jul 11, 2010

Mitsuhide the betrayer can't use more than once his Turncoat spell, after using on one ennemy, it cn't be used forever on this ennemy. It's also written "30 sec" for the duration but it's more like 10 sec. Without being able to use this spell, Mitsuhide is useless and can't play.

Is it normal that Sandayu randomly teleports with someone ?

When the first time the danger zone activate, anyone there die instantly, and not after 10 sec.
Merchants with no items ?
You should write some tips about dangers zones during game and about restart (before they die).
How to choose a hero randomly ? why 5 of them can't be picked ?

Using the sensei (ice mage), it's written that the iceberg spell does 200 dmg but it's wrong, it's 100 dmg.

I also hope it's made on purpose those imbalances, cause it's fun, it's battle royale !!

I don't remember everything but i'll tell you what's wrong

When will the new version come out ?

sentrywiz · Dec 23, 2011

Awesome map, I am a great fan of random arena maps. And the models here are not just awesomely made, but all the animations are flawless. Well, from the player's eye that is, excuse me I know shit about modeling. I tried almost all heroes in about 9 matches so I'll comment on what I saw and what I played with or against

Pros
-Extremely fun, repetitive (in a good way)
-All heroes are unique
-Damage heroes do is dependent on the type
-A great hide and seek map, with shops that have just what you need
-It has AI! I love maps who have AI, no matter if the bots are really really mentally challenged

Cons
-90% of the spells are just the same effects, with little change
-map is too large, and heroes movespeed is slow compared to that, it takes ages to go from one end to another
-hero imbalance, compared to damage all do and overall spell

Bugs
1. The first hero I tried was the one who could hire a peasant and build stuff. Sorry for not remembering the name or the type, the names are too long either way. Well when he uses his (Deathknight's 4th spell) to bring back invulnerable dead to fight for you, I used it near two slain heroes. I got them, and after the spell was done, both of them died and it told me that I was dead and I should wait when infact the two summoned units were dead. So the map was revealed for me and I still had my hero, even though in the leaderboard I was dead. You should trigger a solution for this
2. The Assassin's windwalk gives movespeed in one stance but not in another? I couldn't catch to a hero with it
3. The banisher hero? Its spell to completely remove someone from the map both confuses the user and lasts too long. I'd say put some sort of indicator when your being removed from the map to help you know where you are. Also, reduce the time your being sent to Mars

Ideas
1. More items, with more diversity. Like armor for instance is a good stat I'd like to have, but instead only found to pick from boots, claws and hp armor. A lifesteal potion would also be great, could be the most expensive item on the map, still its a choice
2. Increase the natural movespeed of each hero by atleast +30-50 so that running across the map wouldn't be one hour trip (not literally of course, but heroes are slow even with boots)
3. Trigger more double effect abilities for other heroes. The gunner hero for instance has all default spells. Not bad, but you could make it lot better.

Overall I give the map 5/5 even though there are bugs and imbalances. Love to play it. Good job!

Teldrassil · Dec 23, 2011

First off, thanks for the review!

I'll be working to improve the AI as time goes on, for now, by putting them at a higher difficulty (normal or insane) they will actually behave a little differently.

-90% of the spells are just the same effects, with little change

I'll be slowly replacing these spells once all the characters are in the game, I want to work on getting a decent balance before I go around making any big changes to their gameplay

-map is too large, and heroes movespeed is slow compared to that, it takes ages to go from one end to another

I've never really had a huge problem with this, and I don't want to change the movement speed too much right now, as some heroes are purposely slower than others. I might end up giving them all a generic move speed buff, but by doing so it messes with the fly speed of skill shots (as they will be easier to dodge) as well as many other spells, some of the move speed bonuses will get pretty disproportional pretty fast.

-hero imbalance, compared to damage all do and overall spell

I am working on balancing them, I haven't had too much of a problem with any one character right now, it's not like one champion will always win against another, also certain champions have different play styles that will suit them better, for example if the gunslinger uses hit and run tactics she can deal major damage while keeping her health high, whereas a champion like Keiji is all about a straight up fight.

Bugs
1. The first hero I tried was the one who could hire a peasant and build stuff. Sorry for not remembering the name or the type, the names are too long either way. Well when he uses his (Deathknight's 4th spell) to bring back invulnerable dead to fight for you, I used it near two slain heroes. I got them, and after the spell was done, both of them died and it told me that I was dead and I should wait when infact the two summoned units were dead. So the map was revealed for me and I still had my hero, even though in the leaderboard I was dead. You should trigger a solution for this

I will definitely fix this, thanks very much!

2. The Assassin's windwalk gives movespeed in one stance but not in another? I couldn't catch to a hero with it

actually it didn't give move speed in either stance, in fact it actually decreases move speed. And her kick stance naturally moves slower than her dagger stance, but deals more damage, so its best to switch between them when chasing or attacking. I changed it to give a slight move speed buff for the next version though.

3. The banisher hero? Its spell to completely remove someone from the map both confuses the user and lasts too long. I'd say put some sort of indicator when your being removed from the map to help you know where you are. Also, reduce the time your being sent to Mars

I could do this, I'll probably replace it entirely at some point

1. More items, with more diversity. Like armor for instance is a good stat I'd like to have, but instead only found to pick from boots, claws and hp armor. A lifesteal potion would also be great, could be the most expensive item on the map, still its a choice

I will be making more items eventually, I'd prefer to keep them to consumables so I'm not sure how many more permanents there will be, the goal is to give a slight edge but not to the point of imbalance. I just might give a vampiric potion, but I think the just straight hp potion is more useful.

3. Trigger more double effect abilities for other heroes. The gunner hero for instance has all default spells. Not bad, but you could make it lot better.

will do eventually, thanks!

Overall I give the map 5/5 even though there are bugs and imbalances. Love to play it. Good job!

Thank you very much glad to hear it

sentrywiz · Dec 25, 2011

I've never really had a huge problem with this, and I don't want to change the movement speed too much right now, as some heroes are purposely slower than others. I might end up giving them all a generic move speed buff, but by doing so it messes with the fly speed of skill shots (as they will be easier to dodge) as well as many other spells, some of the move speed bonuses will get pretty disproportional pretty fast.

Well, just saying that if you add +10-30 movespeed to all heroes, you can also increase the dummy unit skillshot's movespeed or flyspeed so dodging would be hard as it was before. You might not have had problems, but I find it hard to pick a slow hero, survive till the end and then search the entire map to find the remaining bot by foot. A small movespeed boost wouldn't hurt

actually it didn't give move speed in either stance, in fact it actually decreases move speed. And her kick stance naturally moves slower than her dagger stance, but deals more damage, so its best to switch between them when chasing or attacking. I changed it to give a slight move speed buff for the next version though.

Ah so it decreases move speed. My bad, misunderstood that one

3. The banisher hero? Its spell to completely remove someone from the map both confuses the user and lasts too long. I'd say put some sort of indicator when your being removed from the map to help you know where you are. Also, reduce the time your being sent to Mars

I could do this, I'll probably replace it entirely at some point

You don't have to remove the spell, I'm sure its good. But it lasts too long and you get pretty confused with "WTF HAPPENED!!!" once you get hit by it. Just place an indicator, like idk, some effect, unit with locust for the time being while your being removed so the player knows he is still in game just being disabled.

I will be making more items eventually, I'd prefer to keep them to consumables so I'm not sure how many more permanents there will be, the goal is to give a slight edge but not to the point of imbalance. I just might give a vampiric potion, but I think the just straight hp potion is more useful.

There are enough consumables, with lifesteal being an idea. What I am saying is, since you have each hero can carry one item max ( do you, or I didn't notice properly ) you can also add a diversity so the player can pick whatever he thinks will help him slightly, whether it would be, armor, hp, hp regen, damage...

Tanasren · Dec 25, 2011

can't play this no one comes when i host :x

i tried the soul stealer but he kind of sucked or maybe u can only play him one way : you steal souls, u run, you regen, you steal souls, etc..., then you wait till everyone is dead but the last one and you use the shinigami spell which does 200 damage and kill the last character alive

i tried the shinigami spell against a girl computer controled in melee but it did no damage dunno if i've been stunned during the process

Teldrassil · Jan 9, 2012

Tanasren said:
can't play this no one comes when i host :x

i tried the soul stealer but he kind of sucked or maybe u can only play him one way : you steal souls, u run, you regen, you steal souls, etc..., then you wait till everyone is dead but the last one and you use the shinigami spell which does 200 damage and kill the last character alive

i tried the shinigami spell against a girl computer controled in melee but it did no damage dunno if i've been stunned during the process

The comp you used it on was probably Ranmaru, who can dodge spells. This is fixed now and shouldn't happen, the Samanosuke should also be better as a whole, got buffed a lot.

also the hosting problem isn't something I can help you with. War3 is pretty much dead, it's overpopulated by bots and if you're not using a bot you may never get people to join.

Most of the games you get to play on war3 are bad imbalanced ones that haven't been updated nor will be updated.

Play with friends, is all I can recommend.

Oh and sentry, the game currently allows for all 6 inventory slots to be used, also, as a slower character buy one of those pots of omni to find the last comp, I'll look into the move speed thing anyway though. Not sure if 15-20 move speed will make a noticeable difference so I'll see how high I can go while keeping it not super imba.

Keep in mind that the faster you move the faster someone can get to a fountain and the longer they will have to heal, all sorts of different factors I need to take into consideration when adjusting move speed.

Lorenc · Jan 11, 2012

Awesome map, didnt notice how played it with friends for 2 hours

Teldrassil · Jan 12, 2012

Lorenc said:
Awesome map, didnt notice how played it with friends for 2 hours

Thanks man, if you ever come across bugs or clear imbalances let me know and I'll fix em up for ya.

Tanasren · Jan 14, 2012

the new heroes are very fun
i found a bug, the computers went into the danger zone forest and scar and they didn't die (there were 2) so i voteskiped

also you should add an indicator when the danger zone is becoming a danger zone (i mean before it becomes dangerouse) because my frenchies players don't understand a shit xD

and we could have a little time to read our spells before the fight starts

in F9 the two last heroes described got the same strategy text (lol)

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