Battle of 2154 1.3.1

Moderator · Aug 23, 2015

18:47, 25th Aug 2015
Shadow Fury: The map is approvable. It's a nice altered futuristic melee map which offers a modern race to control against enemy units. Taking over the reactors from the hostiles and protecting them from enemies provides a challenging gameplay. It is quite strange to see the terrain changing tiles magically in the beginning; it would be better to do that before away from the sight of players. The landscape is lacking since it's just composed of trees. Decorations would be better.
The absence of heroes could be awkward for some players so you may consider implementing them if you want as they would surely spice up the gameplay.

Ardenian · Aug 25, 2015

I think you forgot to remove a testing unit for player red, the dragon hawk.

The tile variation change should not occur once the game has started, or has it a purpose it does ?

There is no way to increase food early without expanding and building new HQs. for player red ?

The building time seems quite high to me compared to the amount of resources gathered, there is kind of an imbalance in my opinion.

LordDz · Aug 25, 2015

"Artillery Cannon can shoot anywhere on the map"
Has a max range of 1400.

I need reactors to upgrade my tech, but there is nothing telling me that guarded reactors exist on the map, the players have no knowledge about this from the start of the game.

And to get reactors I need an army, but most of my food is used by workers + the artillery cannon that can shoot anywhere on the map with the range of 1400.

I can upgrade my HQ to a control center or I can build a control center directly from the worker. Why?

The marauder unit needs his Damage point fixed, he currently plays his animation and then about 0.5 seconds later the missile is shown.

The hover tank uses the instant attack, for a missile model.

So yeah, the map has potentional but currently it's not in a release stage.

EDIT:
I looked at the triggers a bit.
This is bad:

Common Terrain
- Events
  - Time - Every 0.02 seconds of game time
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Environment - Change terrain type at (Random point in (Playable map area)) to Northrend - Snow using variation -1 in an area of size (Random integer number between 1 and 3) and shape Circle
  - Environment - Change terrain type at (Random point in (Playable map area)) to Northrend - Snow using variation -1 in an area of size (Random integer number between 1 and 2) and shape Circle
  - Environment - Change terrain type at (Random point in (Playable map area)) to Northrend - Snow using variation -1 in an area of size (Random integer number between 1 and 4) and shape Circle
  - Environment - Change terrain type at (Random point in (Playable map area)) to Northrend - Grass using variation -1 in an area of size (Random integer number between 1 and 6) and shape Circle
  - Environment - Change terrain type at (Random point in (Playable map area)) to Northrend - Snow using variation -1 in an area of size (Random integer number between 3 and 7) and shape Circle

I recommend ya read about leaks: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/things-leak-35124/

Uklabokalala · Aug 25, 2015

I'll see what I can do to the map when I got the time, and yes I totally forgot the test unit, sorry about that.

Shadow Fury · Aug 30, 2015

I checked the map and I see that the issues have been fixed. The idea of offering a modern technological race is pretty cool. There are indeed location leaks in the "Move" triggers and unit group leaks in "Immortality" triggers. You must fix these leaks to avoid lag (the looping trigger especially).
If we have to talk about test units then there is the rideless horse located at the south of the map. It is useless so it should be removed.
Finally, why does the terrain keep changing tiles at the beginning of the game? It was snow then it turned into all the other tiles out of the blue.

The map is nearly ready for approval. Fix the leaks and the terrain issue if possible and approval will follow.

A Void · Sep 3, 2015

What is the Eldar Fire Prism doing there? It is from W40k universe, looks a bit out of the place tbh.

Uklabokalala · Sep 3, 2015

A Void said:
What is the Eldar Fire Prism doing there? It is from W40k universe, looks a bit out of the place tbh.

i've always been a fan of 40K so i just decided to add it, and i love the Eldar race even though i mostly play necrons.

Peaces · Sep 4, 2015

Will there be simple AI

Uklabokalala · Sep 23, 2016

Unkn0wN_Merchant said:
Will there be simple AI

Now there is, but to all the other previous comments, I still haven't found time to fix the leaks.

cleavinghammer · Sep 24, 2016

* T3 centers don't return resources.
* Neutral Hostiles guarding the reactors should be, well, Neutral Hostile. Currently the only one is a yeti hidden in the trees in the northwest.
* Super Medic doesn't heal any faster than the regular one.
* Zombies' parasites should be autocast, including the spawned ones.
* The AI had a Reactor in their base when I killed it.
* Grunt doesn't have a projectile.
* Killed every enemy including the browns, but it didn't trigger victory.

Uklabokalala · Sep 24, 2016

cleavinghammer said:
* T3 centers don't return resources.
* Neutral Hostiles guarding the reactors should be, well, Neutral Hostile. Currently the only one is a yeti hidden in the trees in the northwest.
* Super Medic doesn't heal any faster than the regular one.
* Zombies' parasites should be autocast, including the spawned ones.
* The AI had a Reactor in their base when I killed it.
* Grunt doesn't have a projectile.
* Killed every enemy including the browns, but it didn't trigger victory.

I'll see what I can do. The reactor thing in the base is the only way the AI would work (this is my first time making one) and the victory thing I'll look into, it might be because of the game mode... I know at least one of the game modes are broken.

Shanghai · Sep 24, 2016

i like the idea

Alok · Sep 24, 2016

If you work on it, this map can be really good, but in its current state I don't think it belogs in the Approved maps section. No offense, but it is off in many aspects. Here it is in short:
- Balance is completely off, you need to rebalance all units and everything
- The terrain needs a lot of work and adaptations
- Aesthetically, it needs a lot of work too (wrong tooltips; models, icons, etc. that fit better together; etc.)
- You need to change certain aspects of the custom race and its units and buildings
- You need to do a detailed checkup when it comes to bugs, and remove all of them
- Trigger leaks should be removed
- The AI doesn't attack at all as far as I could see
- You should make a quest that contains the elementary things about how players should play and what they should do

cleavinghammer · Sep 24, 2016

As far as I can tell, the AI attacks only when you move into its corner, amassing troops until that happens. Those without a computer player just sit there.

Alok · Sep 24, 2016

Then it should be changed somehow to attack on its own too, since that's how it works normally.

Uklabokalala · Sep 24, 2016

I have seen the AI attack, but only when it amassed a LOT of troops. I don't know how much I'll keep working on this map since I can never properly test it. I will see what I can do with all these suggestions. Also if a unit is unbalanced please tell me so I can work on it. Thanks for playing, I appreciate it!

cleavinghammer · Sep 25, 2016

Mech can't attack buildings, that should appear somewhere.
You should make the Foundry a lumber-drop building.

Alok · Sep 25, 2016

For the AI attacking, take a look at "IV. Attacking Tab" of this tutorial Tutorial: The WC3 AI Editor - Wc3C.net, and also make sure that you have "Have No Mercy" ticked in your AI properties, otherwise the AI won't attack properly.
When it comes to unbalanced units, here are some:
- Behemoth is way too strong, it has 8x the health (8500) and 5x the damage (500+) above average, it can decimate everything
- Mech/Hover Tank are way too big and they can get an army stuck at some choke points in the forest, so you should increase the width of the paths and/or reduce the collision size of the bigger units:

- Transport isn't so useful, and it has high build time and food cost
- Mortar has too low health
- Unit production buildings shouldn't be upgraded from the main building
- The buildings are too big/have too big building plots
- Immortality Project doesn't only give resurrection to infantry, as it says, but to everything
- Most units have too little food cost
- Building HQs for food isn't a good idea, since they cost too much, take too much space, and have too high build time for that purpose, and they are the only ones that add food. They also lose much of their food when they are upgraded to the unit producing buildings.
- And, from what I've seen, many other units and buildings probably have too weak or too strong health/damage/armor/abilities or too low/high cost/build time, and they are not standardized, but that needs to be tested in detail and carefully calculated.
Also, it is not recommended to have such a high food limit as 300, since in Warcraft 3 you can control/select only 12 units at a time.
Edit: Also, don't add workers to the attack forces in the AI, otherwise the AI won't attack properly.

cleavinghammer · Sep 25, 2016

* Starting units and built units are considered separate units.
* Mutants have a tendency to stop moving before attacking, at least in the beginning stages.
* In Mutant mode, killing a town hall gives a "Player color was defeated" message. Except it gives the message every time you kill one, and they build a lot of town halls. When I got to the last player, killing a single one won the game.
* Had some massive lag spikes in Mutant mode, but not when the mutants were moving, strangely enough.
* HQ and Control Center have the same model.

Uklabokalala · Sep 25, 2016

cleavinghammer said:
* Starting units and built units are considered separate units.
* Mutants have a tendency to stop moving before attacking, at least in the beginning stages.
* In Mutant mode, killing a town hall gives a "Player color was defeated" message. Except it gives the message every time you kill one, and they build a lot of town halls. When I got to the last player, killing a single one won the game.
* Had some massive lag spikes in Mutant mode, but not when the mutants were moving, strangely enough.
* HQ and Control Center have the same model.

Well when I work on it, I'm gonna remove the broken gamemodes (Mutant especially) and I'll try to find a model for the Control Centre
EDIT: Well I've done most of this in the new update and most suggestions I have gotten in the past few days I did too.

cleavinghammer · Oct 2, 2016

Behemoths take up 1 transport space. Hilarious as it is to airdrop 8 of the things into the base, people will probably complain.
Vehicles can go into ground transports. This includes transports. Metal boxes in metal boxes...

What's the bottom area for?

Uklabokalala · Oct 3, 2016

cleavinghammer said:
Behemoths take up 1 transport space. Hilarious as it is to airdrop 8 of the things into the base, people will probably complain.
Vehicles can go into ground transports. This includes transports. Metal boxes in metal boxes...

What's the bottom area for?

Bottom Area was for a discontinued game-mode. I could update the transports in a couple weeks or next week, I'm too busy at the moment.

FeruEnzeruJKun · May 16, 2019

just note i can't save replays on this map.

But it's good when i first tried it the other day. :infl_thumbs_up:

edit: post fixed due to a mistake i have on it. It supposed to say "can't", but i forgot a "'t" part right behind the word "can" like in "can't". my bad. :vw_death:

Alok · May 23, 2019

cleavinghammer said:
Vehicles can go into ground transports. This includes transports.

Lol, this is hilarious when I read it now. I'm dying irl.

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