Battle Chariot

Lord_Marrowgrath · Feb 20, 2017

Reminds me Warhammer Undead Army Chariot. 4/5 (Need better attack animation)

Mister_Haudrauf · Feb 20, 2017

Lord_Marrowgrath said:
Reminds me Warhammer Undead Army Chariot. 4/5 (Need better attack animation)

Really? Well what a surprise. i didn't know that exists, because i don't play Warhammer.

stein123 · Feb 20, 2017

I like the concept a lot, and yeah, it reminds me a lot of the warhammer undead chariots, which is great *w* (and basically warcraft was inspired on warhammer : p)

UmbraUnda · Feb 20, 2017

Wow I really like this model. Can you make a regular human version too? I'd totally that for my medieval project.

Gumberbunbder · Feb 20, 2017

Is this the first chariot model ever? Amazing! I agree with UmbraUnda, a human version would be awesome. This opens up a whole new possibility in strategy maps

EDIT: 5/5 effing awesome! Only possible thing is bring the horse a little closer to the chariot to give it a tighter turn radius. Not even sure that it would look better though, just wondering. Either way, Congratz on first legit chariot model. Perhaps a supply caravan/wagon type unit in the future using these mechanics?

Archian · Feb 20, 2017

Nice model, but I think you can improve the attack and death animation. I realize it was a lot easier to make the model explode instead of having it fall apart upon death, but if you can change that then please do. I dont know how good you are at animating but there is room for improvement in this model. As for the attack animation, it's rather dull but gets the job done. Also I think skeletons would appear more shambly when riding a bumpy chariot (jump a little more up and down). Likewise the platform they're standing on could use a better texture.

Gottfried · Feb 20, 2017

Seems nice, will you make a human version?

Mister_Haudrauf · Feb 20, 2017

Gumberbunbder said:
Is this the first chariot model ever? Amazing! I agree with UmbraUnda, a human version would be awesome. This opens up a whole new possibility in strategy maps

No. Not the First (First was this.), but the first Battle Chariot.

Gottfried said:
Seems nice, will you make a human version?

I think about it.

deepstrasz · Feb 20, 2017

An attack while moving animation would be nice.
The Death Knight's horse could look different.
3.5/5.

RollBoat · Feb 20, 2017

Totally Accurate Battle Simulator!

Kyrbi0 · Feb 20, 2017

Way cool to finally see a real Chariot model here. I worry that (the way the game mechanics work), his turning wouldn't work right (having several next to each other & turning would look super weird), but otherwise way neat.

I agree with Archian on the adjustments. I also kinda feel like something is up... Not exactly sure if it's the texture, or the mesh, but having the chariot made up of a bunch of identical log things, all flat & nondescript, could perhaps be improved.

However, you are to be lauded for having a first! ; )

GolluM_KoMe · Feb 21, 2017

Archian said:
Nice model, but I think you can improve the attack and death animation. I realize it was a lot easier to make the model explode instead of having it fall apart upon death, but if you can change that then please do. I dont know how good you are at animating but there is room for improvement in this model.

Here is a model I made on which you may find inspiration for the attack and death animations ; )

(I cannot release it cause the soldier + the horse (and their textures) are from Fingolfin, the cart from an other guy, and the wheels aswell. I simply merged and animated the whole thing)

Nice job ! I particularly liked the chains !

Gottfried · Feb 21, 2017

Good work 4,9/5, though it will be perfect, if it had a moving attack animation, but it is impossible, or not? :O

Mister_Haudrauf · Feb 21, 2017

Gottfried said:
Good work 4,9/5, though it will be perfect, if it had a moving attack animation, but it is impossible, or not? :O

Thank you for the Rating!

But i have a Question: What exactly do you mean with 'moving attack animation'?
Do you mean that the Horse should move in the attack animation or that the crossbowman should attack while the Chariot is moving?

Gottfried · Feb 21, 2017

crossbowman should attack while the Chariot is moving?

Yes!

Although it is harsh dreaming.

Mister_Haudrauf · Feb 21, 2017

Gottfried said:
Yes! Although it is harsh dreaming.

It is possible, but it doesn't make sense to animate this, because Units in Warcraft 3 don't attack while moving.

Gottfried · Feb 21, 2017

because Units in Warcraft 3 don't attack while moving.

Pity!

Eagle XI · Feb 21, 2017

Mister_Haudrauf said:
It is possible, but it doesn't make sense to animate this, because Units in Warcraft 3 don't attack while moving.

Should be possible using an turret system, unless im mistaken.

Emm-A- · Feb 22, 2017

Gottfried said:
Yes! Although it is harsh dreaming.

I think, Gottfried's suggestion would add a LOT to the model!

As Eagle XI said, nowadays we can simulate a lot in Wc3 modding, so such an animation would be definitely worth making it

MouMou · Apr 1, 2017

Yay a chariot.

HappyCockroach · May 30, 2017

Hey, sorry if I bring up things Archian didn't put previously, making you work on it again. But even if a chariot model is very interesting and has a lot of potential, there are several faults to be fixed:

Its design as a chariot is really flawed. The cart is currently sunk between wheels that are attached by sticks to random points on the cart's wall. It doesn't inspire any stability, looks like it will break apart in 2 meters of ride.

You need to think the wheels are attached to an axis. The chariot itself should rest ON the axis. (You need to raise it) Out of this axis should reach the chariot beams. The beams should really grip the horse. I've put up that drawing above to help explain (it isn't a design reference, it's just to show the axis issue [and it's poorly made, with the mouse]).
Look up for references of chariot designs, so you make something more appealing. Piling up wooden beams doesn't look too nice. You could inspire yourself in this, or this, or anything you want. The in-game texture possibilities are many to achieve something good.
Bring the cart and the horse the closer you can (as long as it still looks good). The closer they are, the better the model will perform in-game. Too long models rotate really badly. Make sure the origin of the model is centered, or closer to the cart than the horse. (Center of mass is a good criterion)
In the Hive Viewer, the cart literally explodes upon death. But in-game, not even that. You could find an easy way to give it a proper death animation. Making the wheels break and the cart hit the ground, or something like that.
Add sprite (first, second, third) attachment points, since this is a war machine.

Awaiting update. If you have any doubt don't hesitate to ask.

UmbraUnda · Jun 6, 2017

Where did the human version go? D:

I wanted to use this for my medieval map and haven't downloaded it yet.

Mister_Haudrauf · Jun 6, 2017

UmbraUnda said:
Where did the human version go? D:

I wanted to use this for my medieval map and haven't downloaded it yet.

Sorry about that. As you can see it's a new design of the Chariot (along with a new death animation) and i wanted @HappyCockroach first to approve that model, before i upload/update a new medieval version.

It will have a different design too.

UmbraUnda · Jun 6, 2017

Mister_Haudrauf said:
Sorry about that. As you can see it's a new design of the Chariot (along with a new death animation) and i wanted @HappyCockroach first to approve that model, before i upload/update a new medieval version.

It will have a different design too.

Aw thanks for the files mate.

Sounds good - looking forward to your new design(s). Also if you would - please make a chariot with villagerman models and attachment points. My medieval map uses attachment variations for tiered upgrade-able units (example chariot [1], chariot [2], chariot [3], etc - each chariot would upgrade armor, weapons, and chariot decor).
Its ok if I'm asking too much, I can now at least have chariots in my map.

HappyCockroach · Jun 13, 2017

It really improved a lot with the updates. Good job.

There's only 1 small, but critical fault. You should rename the portrait to "UndeadBattleChariot_Portrait.mdx" so it does work in-game. Do that as soon as you can, I'll leave it approved for now, since it's fine except for that.

(I recommend you to add a pair of wheel footprints to the cart anytime if you're able to. And keep improving its design. It got better, but may improve further, with more detailed features.)

MogulKahn · Jun 13, 2017

I would remove that clothing from the horse. Like that, he looks more like cerimonial horse than battle horse. Add some armor instead!

BossGengar · Jun 13, 2017

Very cool and creative model! 4/5

Xeryxoz · Jun 15, 2017

I think this would be a really great model if a system is used where the 2nd unit automatically fires, where as the unit is still in movement. I think I saw that system used in a map where a tank was shooting all on it's own while still in movement. All in all, perfect model, though the death animation could also have been one where the chariot dies in a way that the skeletons are launched out and it all topples down forward to achieve a "death during movement" realism.

It's a 5/5 model though, just perfect!

Gumberbunbder · Jun 25, 2017

Will you be releasing the updated human version still? I'm loving the improvements!

Mister_Haudrauf · Jun 25, 2017

Gumberbunbder said:
Will you be releasing the updated human version still? I'm loving the improvements!

I will in the near future.

Wark · Jul 22, 2017

xHennx said:
I think this would be a really great model if a system is used where the 2nd unit automatically fires, where as the unit is still in movement. I think I saw that system used in a map where a tank was shooting all on it's own while still in movement.

This is easily done. The "Phoenix" ability allows you to customize an attack that automatically fires even when moving. This, however, will do spell damage.

Personally, if I use this model, I would use a combination of "Permanent Immolation" (the chariot runs things over) and "Phoenix" (crossbow man shooting) with triggers to play the attack animation when an enemy is close if it gets some kind of attack-while-moving animation.

BrothForMyPeople · Oct 2, 2017

Would be 5/5, but WC3 doesn't actually support turning animation and consequently such a long units look awkward rotating, so I give this unit 4/5 then.

Hazop · Dec 16, 2017

Could you possibly make a melee chariot version? with Chaos Marauders that have axes that hack at people?

PenguinRomeo · Dec 13, 2018

Thanks man, This is what I was looking for 5/5

Barade · Jan 21, 2023

Please make an ancient version for ancient themed maps with greeks and romans

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