Arena of Kings

Moderator · Jun 4, 2014

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Arena of Kings
by Stan0033

RATINGS

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Scores[/COLOR]] Gameplay: 25/30
Terrain & Scenery: 14/20
Total Score: 38/50

Explanation[/COLOR]]5 Stars: 94%+ (47+/50)
4 Stars: 70% - 93.99% (35-47/50)
3 Stars: 45% - 69.99% (25-34/50)
2 Stars: 20 - 44.99% (15-24/50
1 Stars: 0 - 19.99% (1-14/50)

CRITIQUE

Gameplay:

The gameplay in this team PVP arena is well organized and executed. At first glance there may be an excessive amount of abilities per hero for an RTS player, but players will get used to it. Perhaps it is just a spam fess of WoW based spells, but I am completely aware many like that type of gameplay. It isn't unique, but features such as having different classes for different heroes makes me want to try the heroes out more to test their playstyle. Your custom round system for the host to choose things is really adds some flavor to the replay ability of this map. Love the democracy vote thing as well.

I had very little problems in the map, I've played for 7 rounds with AI. It is clear that you've tried hard to balance all of them, from what I can tell there aren't any major balance issues. My only issue is that the hex cooldown has annoyingly fast cooldown. Other than that, it's quite fun but there really isn't something that stands out in the maps gameplay compared to other PVP arenas.

25/30

Terrain & Aesthetics:

Though the tile usage is a little plain, other things make up for it. The whole interface looks visually pleasing while clearly matching the sunken ruins theme. Adding on to it are custom icons for more than just abilities. I understand why there aren't too many doodads on the map since arenas need fair pathing, but the map lacks decorations. There is a lot of space to put structural doodads resembling a grand arena in a ruins temple. If that means on the edges or in the water, any will do; just not in the pathways. Also, the weather feature is pretty cool.

13/20

VERDICT

The only way a map can be approved is if it follows the map submission rules that apply to the map type.

- All rules are followed, therefor I vote for APPROVAL!

NOTES

Overall it's a great arena map but it isn't amazing. The aesthetics of the map definitely could have a lot more improvement. Feel free to contact me about this review on this map page OR message me about anything. (+2) reputation points for taking your time to upload this map to Hive.

PS. You should state if AI have difficulties.

*IMPORTANT*
The map was previously moderated by Hell_Master as an await update. Months ago there were problems with the quality of the map but it appears they have been fix.

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Strikest · Jun 5, 2014

I have just tried your map, and I must say the concept is exciting. However there is some room for improvement.

The Shaman seems overpowered, he could heal so much and never run out of mana. Compared to the Holy Priest in my team, that had 0 mana after around 5 minutes, the shaman still had 300/300 mana, after spamming all of his spells repeatedly.

From what I saw the Fire Totem didn't do anything, however.

When the game ended I picked the Repick option, and it didn't do anything... The game just sat there until I left.

The spells could be more interesting, from what I saw there was no difference between druid's bear and cat forms, I just switched between them to reset the cooldown of my Q. Speaking of which, that seems kind of overpowered, I could keep switching between my bear and druid form, in order to spam maul and entangling roots on one hero/cyclone the other one. Well of course I would be limited by mana but... with a shaman maybe not???

The AI seemed kind of stupid, they just sat there autoattacking/casting their spells until they were low, in which case they started running. You should make them run when they have higher health than that, because it was easy to catch them after they run 2 hits from dying. Letting them dodge AoE spells would be cool too. I think there was this big holy circle that the priest casted, and the enemies were just standing in it for the entire duration of the fight.

Hex also appears to have a delay before the unit's model transforms? I have never seen a problem with hex like that before, I think you might have edited a field wrong with that spell.

The terrain seems kind of bland, try adding some doodads, like runic bookshelves, etc... see the map Sunken City for a good example of doodads that can be used in that tileset.

Well insofar as I could see the map was bug free, so that's good. I uploaded a replay to show you the boring situation that happened with the heals.

stan0033 · Jun 5, 2014

Hello, @Strikest, there are some things taht I updated some minutes ago, you're comment is a bit late, but there are still things that i didn't look at.

When the game ended I picked the Repick option, and it didn't do anything... The game just sat there until I left.

Is fixed

he AI seemed kind of stupid, they just sat there autoattacking/casting their spells until they were low, in which case they started running. You should make them run when they have higher health than that, because it was easy to catch them after they run 2 hits from dying. Letting them dodge AoE spells would be cool too. I think there was this big holy circle that the priest casted, and the enemies were just standing in it for the entire duration of the fight.

Ok, I shall increase the % health they think they are in danger.

The Shaman seems overpowered, he could heal so much and never run out of mana. Compared to the Holy Priest in my team, that had 0 mana after around 5 minutes, the shaman still had 300/300 mana, after spamming all of his spells repeatedly.

I'll look at that

Hex also appears to have a delay before the unit's model transforms? I have never seen a problem with hex like that before, I think you might have edited a field wrong with that spell.

Not only hex, but polymorph, and yes' I'll fix them

The terrain seems kind of bland, try adding some doodads, like runic bookshelves, etc... see the map Sunken City for a good example of doodads that can be used in that tileset.

Yeah, I played the map and we had argument with the creator and i stopped playing his game. AS you can see this is arena. What bookshelves you're talking about??
Also, in my eyes the terrain is cute and sunny. If it needs to be changed i need more people to tell me that

Also if you want to tell me something else later you can just edit your post to avoid spamming the map, ok?

edit: updated.

edit 2: I made cooldown for the morphing abilities of shaman and warlock, but not druid. updated

Daffa · Jul 22, 2014

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Map Reviewer: Daffa the Mage
Map Name: Arena of Kings
Map Author: Stan0033(Bluehelff)

Originality
The concept is quite used, but not too frequent. Still, your implementation is pretty good and have decent difference from most arenas, mainly the sub-specialist system isn't a daily part of arena.

Score: 49/100

Presentation
The presentation are great, well explained and they are very well presented.
There's a very small room of improvement however, it's optional but it will make the description more wonderful.
The improvement is that you can convert the whole text (before the table block) into an image and add a background and use some art in the text, a good reference is http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/sunken-city-v1-8-2-a-168086/?prev=mmr=6

Score: 75/100

Design
The design is decent. All abilities matches the hero personality well and the icon blends together with the ability itself. Icons are also used properly in all aspect.

Gold and Lumber aren't used in the map, I recommend adding some items and such to make gold have some use, as for lumber you can either make a special resources that changes value when you kill/get killed an enemy that can be used to buy advanced items, giving heroes more mana and/or health and/or damage and/or armor with each of this special resource and so on.

However, the interface might suits Night Elf more than Human, since it's Sunken Theme and it's better to use Night Elf Theme, why? because NE Theme is more natur-ish and blend well with the map.

One of Holy Paladin (can't remember which) has a broken ATC Icon, to fix this you can make an ATC icon with Button Manager and import then use ReplaceableTextures\CommandButtons\<Icon> and make a DISATC then import with path ReplaceableTextures\CommandButtonsDisabled\<Icon> replace <Icon> with icon name. There might be more than this but I don't have time to check them all.
EDIT : Cleanse is the spell with broken ATC.

there's a typo on Holy Paladin skill : Frist of Justice -> Fist of Justice

Small note : you might want to show 'ESC' Tip as soon as the game begin (Elapsed 0.00), as some user (like me) ain't comfortable with the default camera range and some other needs to utilize longer vision area to be able to play effectively (this is also like me).

Score: 70/100
Minor Errors -> Vote for Needs Fix!

Triggers
Triggers seems to be well made, no real lag issue occurs.
However, somewhat they can be optimized, but for now I guess I'll leave it as it is, as there's no noticeable leaks.
You might want to null variables when you no longer need them.
Null variables AFTER they are destroyed (for Unit Groups, Player Groups and Points/Locations)

Score: 87/100

Object Data
The skills, abilities, icons and names of spells and units matches very well.
In short, there's no issue with the Object Editor.

The import files are fine and used properly, along with their size, the import files are very worth it to make the map better.

a small suggestion, you can use Warcraft 3 Death Knight instead of WOW Death Knight, this way you can save about 100-200 KB, but I leave that to you.

Score: 92/100

Gameplay
This is where I get concerned a little much, the gameplay is a little boring. You only battle enemy heroes, which quickly gets boring (despite there are strategies needed to win and a good variation to choose). This can reduce replayability.

Some suggestion for replayability :

I recommend add some kind of events like Heavy Wind (lower all movement speed), Snowy Rain (chance to freeze), Burning Sun (degeneration) and so on.
Adding some creeps wouldn't hurt either, but it might screw balance a lot, be careful with placement and so on, if you do this, make sure both sides have a balanced amount of creeps to fight against.
Game Modes can also be implemented here, this way Host can choose between multiple game modes.

It's up to you, but I really recommend the first one.

Score: 35/100

Final Score: 68.000/100
3/5 Vote for Needs Fix

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Vinz · Aug 1, 2014

Review

Post will be updated as I progress through the map.

Review

- Okay, so I chose the Fire Mage class. I'm gonna be honest here, it is a mash up of default abilities.
- The Evocation regenerative spell, though channeling, is very rewarding for the Mage on a very short cooldown. For someone who should sit back and deal tons of damage at their disposal, the Mage has a lot of sustain. Even if interrupted, she already has regenerated some health and mana.
- Marksmanship Ranger Power Shot (Q) has an invisible missile.
- The Priest and Shaman almost offer infinite sustain! I can't even deal damage properly to their allies.
- Marksmanship Ranger Silencing Shot (E) is instant, how is that a shot?
- Again, a mash up of arrow and summon abilities for the Ranger.
- The arcane mage's W is pretty useless since everyone knows the true mage via the damage.

- I think you should put at least some text in the loading screen.
- The showcase of who picked what takes a little longer than expected, an interval of ~1 second per player should be fine. Also, the 15s countdown should be toned down, around 5 seconds is enough for the players to know about their opponents. If you don't tone it down I suggest you at least make it skippable by unanimous vote from all players (Esc, unless it is available for Honor all game).
- The kill text says '<player> has ended <player>", is that meant to be a streak ender, or a game ender for the victim?

- The game was really really fast in 3v3 with AI. I didn't expect it to be that quick. I didn't even use more than two of my abilities.
- The replayability of this map is awesome. It even has these 'Honor Points' upon victory. <3

- The terrain is pretty neat at first glance. After playing for some time it could use more doodads. The weather system you made looks cool.

Remember, these are only suggestions. You may choose not to follow them.
Rating: 3/5

stan0033 · Aug 2, 2014

Wow Dude you are right about the arrow

I shall put one on the powershot it's really not cool to lack arrow

Vinz · Aug 2, 2014

One more thing. I think you should use the Player Color in the leaderboard, not green and yellow.

stan0033 · Aug 2, 2014

This is team colour, don't worry about the colour

Binsu · Aug 9, 2014

Review emerges.

Played the map and I must say it's a good and exciting Hero Arena map but needs some fixes. The terrain looks decent but could be improved. Personal preference but the statue seems to be a bit off in it's position. It blocks the way and could be moved on the sides. I suggest placing an Archway probably there and on the sides are the statues. You should also add some bit of walkable doodads and props in it such as crates and etc. Depends on what you like.

As for the gameplay itself, I feel like that the Mage specifically the Arcane (never played the other types so this might not be true) is quite overpowered and can pawn the whole enemy team. I kept on spamming my Arcane Blast or whatever you call the hero's first spell. It seem to have only 1 second cooldown or even none and I can instantly spam it after hit without even running out of mana. They're surely dead before I ran out of mana. Anyway, I was fighting computers which maybe does not know how to spam spells and to use their spells on advantage so what I said might not be true but giving my thoughts after fighting though. The hotkeys for some heroes seems to be confusing as well.. There's a single hero which I think was the Assassin/Rogue class that specializes in Assassination, both of his two skills has it's hotkey written "Q". It's a typo, you should change the second to "W". There's a hero I also played which is the Warlock that specializes in Demonology. His "Q" spell does not seem to work when I press Q.

Overall, even if the map's fun, it could be improved still. Rated 3/5 and Awaiting Update. Also, feel free to correct some things that I stated wrong. I'm open. I don't want to cloud my reviews with wrong information regarding the map.

StoPCampinGn00b · Nov 2, 2014

Map approved, check updated moderator comment at top! Yes, my rating is different than other reviewers, but it's likely because it was rated months ago from a different version. Good day!

Deleted member 247165 · Jan 24, 2016

Ok,this game is kinda cool....but you should create more heroes and more different skills ....spells enhanced by triggers would be cool.And add some cool doodads

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