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Wow, pretty nice map! Keep up the great work, my dear friend!

Svetli said:

Wow, pretty nice map! Keep up the great work, my dear friend!

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Thank you.

Looks familiar... HMMMMMMMMMM...
Edit of this? Dark Eclipse 3.0 Final

Paillan said:

Looks familiar... HMMMMMMMMMM...
Edit of this? Dark Eclipse 3.0 Final

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Its actually a whole new map from scratch.

Definitrly a unique and nice look. If I go from the outland lore, then I think spiders, webs and green plants dont really fit, but if you dont care, then thats fine.
-Regarding balance, humans will suffer from no fastexpansion possibilities and orcs from the many narrow paths.
-There are are a few paths through forests which I suppose are unintentional (it's easier to avoid them when looking at the map and by hiding doods with ctrl-d).
-Creep with the possession ability that could drop an item?
-Itemdrops are balanced nicely, except that maybe the netherdrakes drop a too strong item.
-Creeps near goblin shop highly likely to attack trespassers. I think they and the shop could be placed a little further into the forest.

mafe said:

If I go from the outland lore, then I think spiders, webs and green plants dont really fit

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As if pumpkins do

1. Avoid using units as doodads (spiders and Kel'thuzad included).

I'll approve when you fix this:

mafe said:

-Creep with the possession ability that could drop an item?

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I'm old-fashioned but I can't say I approve of the flashing rune things at the tavern. That plus the wind everywhere is sorta jarring on what is otherwise a very well designed map. The spiderwebs are a bit much too but I guess it's a "scary" map for Halloween rather than Outland proper...
It's also very large for a 1v1.

Updating.

The Panda said:

Updating.

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With? (changelog?)
And, ItsKrylon?

deepstrasz said:

With? (changelog?)
And, ItsKrylon?

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ItsKrylon is my gaming name. Yes.

Changelog
1. Removed spider, Ghost Neutral creeps
2. Remove the creep with possession ability and added a new one.
3. Added some more doodads
4. Reworked some minor things

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ItsKrylon is my gaming name. Yes.

Changelog
1. Removed spider, Ghost Neutral creeps
2. Remove the creep with possession ability and added a new one.
3. Added some more doodads
4. Reworked some minor things

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Approved then.

nice map in deed, perfectly symetric, I like you used cliff and there are a lot of ways to attack, very diverse in neutrals, and imported models use.

I think a red creep or two with high loot will be great you know to get permanent items level 5, you have space to that. you can have space to add a couple of fountains if you want to.
I wanted to find bugs or ways to improve and the only thing in mind is to add red creeps and foutains but still is perfect (even as I am not a fan of the halloween theme in real life, I like the way you executed it in your map)

again really nice map

5/5

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mafe said:

Definitrly a unique and nice look. If I go from the outland lore, then I think spiders, webs and green plants dont really fit, but if you dont care, then thats fine.
-Regarding balance, humans will suffer from no fastexpansion possibilities and orcs from the many narrow paths.
-There are are a few paths through forests which I suppose are unintentional (it's easier to avoid them when looking at the map and by hiding doods with ctrl-d).
-Creep with the possession ability that could drop an item?
-Itemdrops are balanced nicely, except that maybe the netherdrakes drop a too strong item.
-Creeps near goblin shop highly likely to attack trespassers. I think they and the shop could be placed a little further into the forest.

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About the creeps with possesion ability that can drop items, I did a test and yes if the banshee captures a unit you dont get a loot
I have to correct that in a map of mine as well (never put loots on banshees)

Ragnaros17 said:

About the creeps with possesion ability that can drop items, I did a test and yes if the banshee captures a unit you dont get a loot
I have to correct that in a map of mine as well (never put loots on banshees)
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This is normal melee behaviour which you take account for when creeping banshees, by stunning them, using air, nets, running back before the possession is triggered etc.


The things that come to mind to me, that might be flaws from a balance/gameplay perspective without having played the map:

• Position of expansion and the distance to it combined with what seems to be a lack of gold in the main.
  
  
• Very few green camps, and those that exist are very meager.
  
  
• Generally speaking having a Goblin Labaratoy near the main base is often "abused" to cripple food supply. I don't know how big a deal people think this is, but it's a extremly deadly and cheesy strategy on Terenas Stand and Twisted Meadows. Moving it futher away would change the risk/reward ratio to more appropriate levels. Altough it doesn't look to be that big an issue on this map.
  
  
• A common problem with Outland maps, the few I recall is that creeping is not exactly associated with a good experience, and the creeping on this map does seem to fall into that category. Especially be aware of the creeps with chaos damage and high health, those are extremly hard to creep for some races.
  
  As an Orc player I can say with certainty that 1) They can't creep on this map at all before mid game. 2) Because they can't creep and the distance to the enemy position is long they are at a double disadvantage. There are issues for the other races but I'll leave this as an example.

It's a nice looking map but I suggest the following improvements:

• As a rule of thumb you want 2 green camps (or easy camps) to take you to level 2 or at least close to. This map doesn't even reach 50% of that. It's a big deal. You could add a Giant Skeleton and Voidwalker into the mix.
  
  
• I think removing the lakes outside both player locations would improve the manouverability when attacking/defending as that is an important aspect of base design. This is also important to keep in mind when it comes to expansions.
  
  
• I would probably change 2 of the 4 orange camps near the players base. But I haven't tested enough to say for certain.
  
  
• I would also consider the risk/reward cost/benefit ratio of some of the creep camps. Perhaps change a few drops.
  
  Risk: How likely you are to be interrupted by the enemy.
  Cost: How much damage will you sustain for creeping the camp.
  Benefit/Reward: exp + items