10 Hero Siege: WotLK v1.4

Moderator · Nov 19, 2010

30 October 2015
SCN: Map approved. See my comment.

SanD3R · Nov 19, 2010

optimize it and im download your map^^

Wummy · Nov 19, 2010

It is optimized.
The size is due to the imported models and skins.

UuiX25 · Nov 19, 2010

[quote="Wummy]I have NO idea how to put screenshots here...how very ironic, that I can program a map but not know how to add a screenshot! If someone has the time to tell me, please leave a comment or send a message to me. Thanks![/quote]

ok go to your UserCP and you can see that Control Panel Pictures & Albums and whatever if you want add picture that all.

Wummy · Nov 19, 2010

Thanks a lot! All right, hopefully the screenshots and the non-optimized version link are working now.
Any comments/suggestions from the map?

FrozenFenrir · Nov 19, 2010

Wummy said:
Thanks a lot! All right, hopefully the screenshots and the non-optimized version link are working now.
Any comments/suggestions from the map?

try using the JPG links, not the html links für the screenshots.

Wummy · Nov 20, 2010

FrozenFenrir said:
try using the JPG links, not the html links für the screenshots.

Is there a tutorial around here about how to do that? I have no knowledge of HTML at all ><

mdelaney911 · Nov 20, 2010

to post images

easy way to post a screenshot through html is to just upload it to imageshack and then use the links they give there for forum posting.
use <img src="insert the link here">

Wummy · Nov 22, 2010

At where I live, Imageshack is blocked. ><
Anyways, I'd love some feedback from the map play itself. Thanks!

Wummy · Nov 23, 2010

Some screenshots:

And after over 800 downloads, still no comments mapwise?

Ryouhei · Dec 27, 2010

i have a bit problem..
when i choose Zhao Yun..
it comes up with random hero...

and also can u add more custom models hero :grin:

it's a fun map overall,havent finish it yet tho..

Wummy · Dec 27, 2010

Ryouhei said:
i have a bit problem..
when i choose Zhao Yun..
it comes up with random hero...

and also can u add more custom models hero

Thanks. That's a bug caused by another trigger that ran in conflict with it. I'll be fixing it in the next release, coming out soon.
About more custom models, yes, that is possible but the map size will get really big and I don't really want that ><. But we'll see. If there's a good idea for a new hero, I'll definitely get a new model for it. So, I'm totally open to new suggestions for heroes!

Ryouhei · Dec 30, 2010

btw kengkyo also has the same bug as zhao yun..
and umm...would u consider less stun skill on bosess,atleast for single player mode, i rarely play with my friends (since no time to do it),its a pain when my hero have all the gears and stat,but can't even attack bosses once they start attacking.....my hero always stunned..
i know i should have bring reinforcement like mercenaries and stuff,but they dont do much against the bosses..

and another bug i found each time i play with my friends i always get seperated somehow,u know like on their screen i'm exiting the map,but in my screen they're the one whos leaving (i thinks there's a name for this kinda bug,just cant remember it.. xD)

add a -repick command perhaps ?
just for try out the heroes.

but seriously this is a fun map,been playing it over and over again...

Wummy · Jan 1, 2011

I've fixed the bugs for the heroes Kengkyo, Sauron, Zhao Yun that caused them to spawn different heroes. It'll be fixed by the next release.

As for the stun on the final bosses, try to upgrade your own troops at the Crystal of Life, because when you upgrade them to Tier 4, they'll have loads of HP and they have their own stuns to stun bosses, plus the allied bosses that help you. So, it should be a pretty even match. I'll test it a few more times and see if it really needs to be decreased. Just make sure you aren't the first one charging into battle to take all the stuns. Let the friendly bosses take the stuns. Plus, Illidan has a big AoE stomp that stuns all enemies. So, even if you're being permabashed, you can wait for that stomp and then get out of the chaos.

I have experienced that separating bug. I believe it's called a sever split or something. I'm trying to determine the cause and trying to fix it. I'll let you know when I've found it and fixed it.

-repick will be added some time later, because I'm not really sure how to do it yet. I'll be experimenting with that.
Thanks for your support!

Ryouhei · Jan 1, 2011

well,what i mean by reinforcement and mercenaries were the ones u hire on unit shop.
I know if i upgrade the troops on crystal life they'll be more than helpfull,they can even finish the game without me doing nothing at level 4...tested on easy mode atleast...
what i want is (totally personal opinion,some ppl might not agree) that those troops are nothing more than supportive (nerf it down abit perhaps ?), and Heroes would be the one whos killing the boss. It's really confusing to look at the screen once the lvl 4 troops start attacking the boss at the final battle (it's a total chaos)..
and im not saying the final boss once u destroy the frozen throne who i have problems with.what i meant was the mini boss,that flyng sheep in the North-East corner for example...u cant tell troops helping us attcking it can we,unless we have mercenaries we hire on the unit shop..

I'm sorry if u think i complain to much,just an opinion of mine,if none of it u want to change,it's totally okay,im totally enjoying ur map..
sorry i cant be any help,dont know shit about map making,the only thing i know is playing it...xD

btw, i never know that Sauron has the bug,never had it each time i use Sauron...
can't wait for the next release

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Sorry if u cant understand what im saying.English isn't my main languange so please be gentle

Wummy · Jan 2, 2011

Okay, I've made the repick mode.
Also, yeah, it's a bit of a pain to have lots of stun. I'm considering decreasing its percentage, or making the monsters such as the sheep hit more per attack with a lower attack speed so the bash won't come out as often.
Don't worry, you're not complaining too much. It's called constructive criticism and that's exactly what I need to make this map better. Thank you very much for your opinions.
Your english is just fine. I understand what you're saying.
I'm fixing up some minor bugs in the game. The next release is coming out in a few days.

Ryouhei · Jan 2, 2011

hey u have MSN or YM that i can add ?
o yeah the AloeVe-Ra skill, Sharp Claw, at level 3 it says "Gives a 0% chance that an attack will deal 0 damage to nearby units" O.O
LOL aloe vera...xD
hope u'll add more mini-game,item combination,and add more heroes..can't wait for the next release

btw no Frostmourne on easy mode ? or is it only on Emo mode ?

Wummy · Jan 3, 2011

Ok I'll fix that as well. Yeah, you know how a lot of the Crypt Lord names end with -Ra? Yeah, so I was like "hmm....yes! Aloe Ve-RA!"
If you have any ideas for mingames/item combinations and heroes, tell me!

Frostmourne is only obtainable on Difficult, Impossible and Emo modes. Kill the "Wummy Tower" and he will drop a Cheese of Doom. Feed that to the sheep to get Frostmourne.

Ryouhei · Jan 4, 2011

A couple of time my super peon picked up Tomes (heavy/really heavy),and each time i accidentaly click it,it always crash the game (fatal error,and CTD)..

and as for item combination,perhaps u can add more item combination for weapon/item dropped by bosses (ie, ragnarok, sword of the forgotten,etc)..because i notice later in the game that those items are scattered all over the map..
maybe 5 ragnarok combination into 1 item, or a combination of Sword of the forgotten + Trident + Killmaim,..and as for the result of the combination,well idk,im sure u can come up with something..
Just so that those commonly dropped by bosses items wont be such a waste,i know u can always pick it up and sell it,but i think in later game,specially when u're already able to kill bosses easily,resources wont be much a problem..

and if it's not too much to ask,would you change the Item description screen on recipe..like in DoTA perhaps,quicker to understand what item is needed,and nice to look at..(not that the current one is bad,well just a suggestion) ^^

Last night i was playing this map with 2 of my friends 9 times,and 6 of it were ended coz of server split, i notice that each time a player killed 2 boss consencutively, for example boss 1 and 2 killed by red player, a server split occured,or one of the player getting kicked. so we came up with an idea that each player kill the boss in order, like red kill first boss, and then blue kill the second boss, and so on till the last player has its turn killing the boss, then back to red player turn, we'll we did that and no errors or server split happened...(we had to restart the last 3 game because the Crystall getting destroyed, playing on impossible mode.. LOL)
I dont know if this will be any usefull,or just pure coincidence happening to us,i'll test it more tonight..because it doesnt seems to happen if only 2 poeple are playing...

Wummy · Jan 4, 2011

Thanks for your feedback!
I will add a mana requirement for heavy tome/really heavy tome so that nobody else except heroes will be able to use it and thus the game won't crash. I think Warcraft always crashes when you use tomes on a unit that isn't a hero. So don't do it!
As for the item combinations, I'll look more into it. So far, I always sell the extra boss drops, because they sell for good lumber. And I'll also add more description to the recipes, but that probably won't come out in this coming release.
As for the server split, I have no idea what causes it. I also played with 2 of my friends and no server splits for 3 games. But sometimes I play with one friend, server split occurs 5 minutes into the game. Very annoying. I hope I can find the cause soon.

Eldubs · Jan 6, 2011

From the screenshots you terrain does not look very good. Il download the map and il maybe give you a review.

Wummy · Jan 6, 2011

I've remade the terrain quite a bit. I'll update the screenshots later on. Looking forward to your review!

matej · Jan 6, 2011

interesting map. but your screenshoots dont work.

Wummy · Jan 7, 2011

Thanks. I don't know what other way I can post screenshots because from where I live, imageshack is blocked ><
And @Ryouhei, check your account's inbox. I sent you a message.

Eldubs · Jan 7, 2011

post your screenshots in THW albums. Just press your name and there you can create a album.

GIANT_CRAB · Jan 7, 2011

Wut iz tiz i don efen....

Ryouhei · Jan 7, 2011

Wummy said:
Thanks. I don't know what other way I can post screenshots because from where I live, imageshack is blocked ><
And @Ryouhei, check your account's inbox. I sent you a message.

err...there's nothing in my inbox..
O_O wow new version is out..
imma download and test it,and comment bout it later

how bout having a PVP special arena or event....

Damn, last night my friend got Arthas for his hero when choosing random,lucky him... LOL..
how many secret heroes are there anyway ?

-edit : Tried your new version for a bit..
and i see that Drek'thar splash damage still not working i think (should've told u before u release the new version), tried with cheat and only 1 creep died each hit, not like other hero who has splash damage that can kill 2 or more creeps each hit.and i wasnt using any orb,or having orb effect (vampire,etc)
Zhao Yun is awsome btw,just a bit suggestion (well another personal opinion

)..since Zhao Yun and Guan Yu is using a Pole as their weapon,how about adding Cleave attack effect skll to them (small AoE)...
i'll test it more..

Wummy · Jan 8, 2011

I've thought about PVP before, but I decided against it because it would limit players' playing style to solely hero buffing because they want to win the PVP events. Then nobody would be using mercenaries/building towers/getting resource harvesters etc. That would make the game more dull and linear.
I'll look into Drek'thar's splash damage.
There is only one "secret" hero. It is Arthas. The chance of getting him is 1/37
Originally, many melee heroes had cleave. But melee cleave was too rigged because the "cleave" damage ignores armor damage reduction. So if you had 100k damage and the cleave was 10%, you would be doing 10000 pure damage per hit to all nearby units. Since most bosses only have like 500k hp or so, depending on what mode you're playing, they die so fast since you're attack speed is like 7-8 hits per second. Maybe I'll make a cleave REALLY small or something hehe.

Ryouhei · Jan 15, 2011

in teh change log u mention :
-New events that trigger once you complete certain objectives
i still can't seem to find what event that is..maybe coz i'm playing it the same way like previous map....idk @_@

well i was thinking maybe a special PVP arena just to waste time while waiting stacking up resource for the finall battle or fighting the boss...if that's not much to ask....

oh and another crazy idea,have ever thought about making a trade shop ? u know for trading lumber to gold,gold to lumber...

i wonder why they still havent approve this map.. :/
this is still my map of choice each time me and my friend play wc3...keep on adding some improvement,a really fun map this is

mdelaney911 · Jan 19, 2011

just fyi, to kill the server split from super peon picking up things, just kill his inventory

Wummy · Feb 3, 2011

I think killing the Super Peon's inventory is a good idea. I gave them inventory so they could buy stuff like upgrades and cheeses while your hero is on the hunt. I guess I have to remove it now.
About the new event triggers, mainly they're teleportation portals. Now you can teleport from base to the enemy base once you complete certain objectives.
Good idea on the trade shop. I will add it in next version.
Ok, I will see if I have the skills to make a good PVP arena. Thanks for the support guys!

Wummy · Feb 28, 2011

Sorry I've been busy for a few weeks. Next release will most likely be out within a week. Major changes will be a new PvP system, a new hero, many balancing changes, and skill changes for various heroes. Please stay tuned!

XeRo13g · Mar 4, 2011

Awesome map!

I wish there were more of these around but 99% of the maps I've downloaded are not even close to this.

Zamtiaca · Mar 5, 2011

Hey Wummy Good map! Where did you get the Zhao Yun model though?

Wummy · Mar 6, 2011

Thanks guys! I got the model off one of the maps that I downloaded a long time ago. It was something like Dynasty Warriors.
Map has been updated, hope you guys enjoy the new version! And please leave feedback!

Orcnet · Mar 6, 2011

The game is too imbalance, but hell! who would disagree to a game that was only made for fun? nice map dude, but it will great if you could just upload this map to Epicwar.com for more players to enjoy this, keep up the good work!

Wummy · Mar 6, 2011

The map is not really "imbalanced" because you can select the difficulty. Each hero is also strong and unique in his or her own way. On easy mode it's a walk in the park. Difficulties above normal will present quite a challenge for players.
Yes, this game is made for fun and satisfaction, but will present a challenge for players on higher difficulties.
It has been uploaded on epicwar =)
Thanks for your support everyone, and please give more feedback so I can improve the map further!

Orcnet · Mar 6, 2011

oh okay, well good luck with more gaming power! have fun making more maps!

OoLoLz · Mar 7, 2011

The blood mage's ultimate always give me fatal error when i use in that assassin boss in the upper right corner :c

Wummy · Mar 8, 2011

That's strange. I'll look into that. Does it crash when you use it somewhere else?

OoLoLz · Mar 8, 2011

Well, now i tested the other bosses in single player, and not even that Warder gave me error, but in multiplayer it happened twice. *confused*

Wummy · Mar 8, 2011

Thanks though, if it happens again with some other people, I'll look through the whole map again to see what the problem is. So far, I don't see any problems with the skills or their triggers.

Ryouhei · May 18, 2011

wohoo..a new version..
i thought u've abandon this map Wummy.. (LOL)
last few days I've been looking for another great map to play, thank you for updating this..
DL and testing it..

mdelaney911 · May 24, 2011

lol its been up for a while. things looking good, havnt found any more bugs to report in this version

Wummy · May 27, 2011

Horray looks like there are still people supporting my map =D
I will be releasing another update soon, but it won't be a major update. Mostly balance fixes and a few new units.

Ryouhei · May 27, 2011

check your VM wummy

Wummy · Jun 1, 2011

I'll look into the suggestions and bugs you gave me. Thanks a lot!
I'll be adding something that gives splash like orb of fire with increased AOE.

Ryouhei · Jun 20, 2011

I'm still wondering why is this map hasn't been apporeved..
:/
i found a few maps in here that have bugs and stuffs but still they've been approved by MOD..

mdelaney911 · Jun 21, 2011

the map does get updated periodically. the owner just has alot going on

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