Naval Battle - v1.39d

[TKF]

sorry about the update delay, I'm still waiting for the map to be sent from _obliviron_. I gave him a month timelimit, but it seems he has exceeded his time usage.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

I just got a good idea TKF, if your aim is truly to make an epic style game instead of the high speed multiplayer style battleships originally was, why not make your map 480x480?

 

[TKF]

First, I need that guy to send back the map back. Without it, I can't do much. Also it's very unlikely I would expand the borders again.

I won't remake that from scratch again... It's to much work!


Meanwhile I will focus my effort in a new project, while I wait for him to send the map (which is by now very unlikely, cuz he don't respond on my email).

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Expanding the borders can easily be done from the map settings screen, and for now you can just put border everywhere, and as you find free time, terrain bits and pieces.

If you're truly worried about someone not sending you your map back, just ignore what he was doing and work on the version you have

I'm interested to see what your new map ANaNE is about.

 

[Ash]

What on earth was that post. No, seriously.

I think it's the best example of retardism I've seen. Period.

 

[TKF]

I can't wait anylonger for obliviron. It seems like I have to update this without his help. Well an update is coming soon. I've seen the great abuse with the trader and going to fix it when I got some freetime...


Update coming!

 

[TKF]

Release of version 1.11

I have to disapoint you guys, no new stuff or major changes cuz the one who was supposed to improve the terrain significantly never returned the map (aka hes 100% inactive). 6 weeks has passed and I can't wait no longer.

I improved the balance of the ships; and changed a couple of weapon constant rules to improve the game balancing. And the grapeshot cannon was accidentally way to expensive, so I did a mistake earlier. It does cost correctly now.


Any feedback is welcome

 

[Tleno]

I have a few suggestions about new trade mission:
1.Treasure hunt: Giant pirate ship will apear in ocean, and if it will die, it will drop pirate treasure, that only can be transported by a trader with contract for this mission. Traders are too weak to destroy giant pirate ship, so they will need to ask somebody to help. Main idea is teamwork.
2.Alchemy mission: You must collect rare herbs. When you will bring them to trade master, all of your teamate's ships will recive powerfull blessing (your sailors will drink magical potion, and temporary will become more powerfull).
3.Sell captured ships: When you will capture ship and bring it to the trade master, you will be able to sell it.
4.Send spy: You must bring spy to the one of the trade points(like crashed ship, pig farm, elven library or something like that.), that will let your team to spy on enemy traders.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Glad to see you're working on your map again. I love to see new battleships work going on

 

[TKF]

...
And version 1.12 is released. Let me know if you find any bugs, the changes are mostly untested (hopefully the new trade item works). I also improved the 2 basic cannons, so you can fill the ship with more basic cannons which are more effective than before, but also more costly...

The new ship might prove interesting. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to give it such a imba ability as invisibility.... with feedback I would know. The new ship can be found at the side harbor on left bay (where you trade wood). To avoid detection of the pirates, go around them. The infiltrate ability is really a good non-combat ability.

Edit_

Now 1.13b is here. Only major change is the critical hit system. Higher accuracy improves your chance to make a critical hit with your cannons, doubling the effect and damage of the weapon. For example if you are critically hit by a fire cannon, you also suffer twice the burning damage. You can make yourself more resistant by increasing your own carpenter skill.

Also I added a mode for those players which find the ships to fragile, by typing -stm (Player 3 only) for doubling the hero ships hp and crew.

 

[NoobinJass]

Hey TKF, i think i found something when joining the pirate side.. the building is not belongs to me so it can be attacked by me and some pirates that become my unit what happen? Bugs? or wrong coding?

 

[Cokemonkey11]

that's part of the game. possibly my least favorite part, but the games not supposed to be overly competitive soo..

 

[TKF]

The pirates advantage is that pirates joins under their control. The disadvantage is that they don't get ship spawns like the empires.

And what building not belonging to you are you talking about? The empire do turn against you when you leave their side.

 

[Shoop Da Woop]

This map is AWSOME. Keep up the good work.

 

[Newuser]

Sergeant Ray are you developing the AI for the map?

Anyway, I could make a basic AI. If I do make one, I won't need your map or anything, I'll just make some GUI triggers which you can simply copy and paste in your map and simply replace the map specific stuff(such as unit ID, etc) in the triggers with your map specific stuff.

Now, in terms of how long will I take? I'm not really sure, I'll probably work on the AI when I am not busy and not doing anything.

Now, if I do an AI, I'll probably won't make them use the same ships player uses(which has manual aim only). I'll probably use regular, auto attacking units.

There are two types of ships that the AI could use:

1. The first one would be using the same ships the player uses. Of course, an AI like this would take a lot of work to make them almost as good as players. I don't really have the experience to make an AI that uses the same ships as players.

OR

2. An AI that doesn't use player hero ships but instead uses different ships. They'll use ships which has auto aim(basically, ships which simply have auto attacking, similar to non-hero ships in your map).

Here's how I could do it:
At map initialization, it'll check which players are users and which are computers.

If it's a computer, it'll give them a "regular" hero unit(AKA, it has automatic aiming, the regular units similar in Warcraft 3, no manual aiming require).

The computer would have it's own ships(which has auto aiming, no manual aiming), and would use it's own items and own ships.

If the computer has enough gold, there will be a trigger that upgrades it's ship, or gives the computer ship an item.


Anyway, if I make an AI, I could make method number 2 - AI uses auto firing ships(different from the players).

I can make one in GUI for you, and I won't need your map or anything(I don't think I'll really need it), you have to just copy an paste the triggers and replace the map specific stuff(such as Unit ID) in your map.

So if you want, I can try making the method number 2 AI for you.

Note that the AI will be somewhat basic, however, the AI can be balanced enough(make the computer ships strong) to compete with players.

Here's what I can do(for the method number 2 AI that is):

Basic AI features:

1.AI would return to base if it gets low on health/mana to repair.

2. AI would upgrade it's ship as time progress. It would also buy items.

Note - Both the ships and items will be designed "solely" for the AI, they won't use any player ships or weapon items.

3. The AI will try to focus on low health hero ship first. If there are no low health hero ships, it will focus on low health enemy ships.

If neither, it will focus on a random unit in the area. (Of course, if you have any suggestions for AI focusing, I can edit it if you want).

4. AI will have aid players type command. For example, a player typing "-aid 05" AI would cause the "player number 5" AI to aid them(follow them around, even if their health is low). Of course, host could turn AI aiding on or off.

AI features that I can "might" be able to do but not be able to do right a way:

5. Replacing leavers with AI.

6. AI attacks the same target as the player does(though I can probably add some text command that allows a player to specify which player to attack).

Again this is for method number 2: AI uses it's own ships which have auto aim(it won't use the same ships player uses).

I can do an AI like this for you if you want, again, I won't need the map or anything.

I can test the AI and stuff in my own testing map, then once I am done, I'll give you the map to copy and paste over to your map.

The AI will probably be done in GUI though(I don't know JASS well enough to do it in JASS, I haven't had much experience using JASS natives).

Also, again, the AI will be kind of basic, if Sergeant Ray is developing the AI, this AI could be sort of a "filler AI" which can be added in the map, while you wait for Sergeant Ray to finish up his AI(if he's developing it that is).

Also, I don't think the AI triggers should take long to import over to your map. Since it'll be in GUI and be kind of basic, I won't need your map or anything, I'll make sure to give you all the instructions for importing the trigger/units/items to your map(and you can edit them if you want) when I am done with the AI.

Again, I'm not really sure how long I will take, I'll probably work on the AI when I am not busy and not doing anything. I can't really say when I will be done(assuming you want me to do an AI for your map).

 

[TKF]

Well, I'm not sure if I'm going to put more work into the map right now. I doubt I would bother to import the AI. So no.


But there's extremely of work to make such AI. I would take looooong time to script an AI. Also I don't like the idea of having AI ships with automatically attacks, that destroys the concept of the map.


The map has to much micromanagement to develop a properly working AI. I prefer humans and I know those players who only can play this alone without bnet and it sucks, but making the AI is actually more difficult than the all the triggers in the map itself.


And Sergeant Ray once considered to make the AI, but he realized it was not worth it. He's not working on the AI for the map. If someone would really want to make the AI, I would rather let that person continue the map. I've kinda gotten over this map and is unlikely to continue updating it.

 

[Newuser]

Also I don't like the idea of having AI ships with automatically attacks, that destroys the concept of the map.

Well the players still have to use manual aiming, only for the AI it's auto attack. I wouldn't think it'd be too noticeable for the players, and it gives the players someone to fight(if they can't find other players).

They can be given the "artillery" type attacks which makes dodging the computer's projectiles possible.

IMO, I don't think the concept of the map will change, it'll only be the computers that auto attacks and not the actual players themselves.

One reason I want an AI for the game is having someone to play against. Problem with hosting on battle.net(at least lately for me) is that there seems to be always leavers in the game, so it's really hard to get an even game.

So if you happen to work on the map again and change your mind for an auto attack AI, I can do the AI for you.

 

[TKF]

GREAT NEWS!
1.14 update is coming soon...

It will feature a new elven carrack ship, several new cannons to choose from, bugfixes...

New Weapons:
Seeker Cannon (With partial homing)
Lightning Cannon (With chain lightning effect)
Frost Cannon (With freezing effect)
...


Maybe more stuff!

 

[Tleno]

Great idea! Maybe you could add more spell explosion cannons? Like one that heals your allies around when it hits your enemy. Or one that makes you move faster every time you kill an enemy with it?

Even better! Maybe you need to make some kinda "enchantment" missions to get those magical cannons?

 

[TKF]

I have no plans to add such cannons.

Even better! Maybe you need to make some kinda "enchantment" missions to get those magical cannons?

I have no plans to add more "enchantment" missions to get these weapons, they are available to everyone at certain price.


The new cannons I plan to add are magically enchanted and is available at a new magic shop at the base... So far I've finished the seeker cannon and lightning cannon, only frost is remaining....

I'm going to add tudor caravel in the next version.


Perhaps I'll plan to add a cinematic at start as a quick intro showoff, but it depends if I can make it work....



Otherwise you can come up with more good suggestions

Edit_

1.14 is released! Featuring killing spree system and lots of new weapons!

 

[Viscer]

Single Player Mode Review

4.25 / 5

Pirate
1. Black Pearl could use a little more skills , or special crew benefits since its a huge ship

Terrain
1. Could change the positions of warpgates of Pirate Maze and Sea Giant Area , making it such that Sea Giants can only be released from the outside



This is a Single Player Review
Hope this Helps ; Thanks .

 

[TKF]

Pirate
1. Black Pearl could use a little more skills , or special crew benefits since its a huge ship

Terrain
1. Could change the positions of warpgates of Pirate Maze and Sea Giant Area , making it such that Sea Giants can only be released from the outside.

Pirate
I'm not sure what you mean. Black Pearl do have very good crew benefits when boarding other ships. Both boarding crew and boarding ability are meant to be combined to give maximum effect. All ships have same amount of skills and Black pearl is very fast and designed to be a deadly boarding ship.

Terrain
It's supposed to be that way. If you enter their backyard, you have to suffer the consequences of it.
The pirate waygate at the secret pirate base is supposed to be only 1 way gateway otherwise you could get backdoored.

This is a Single Player Review
Hope this Helps ; Thanks .

ty for feedback

The map is not really designed to be played alone in singleplayer, but it's a multiplayer map. But you can test how it works in singleplayer and explore.

 

[TKF]

I've just released 1.15

Here is the list of recent changes of latest versions...

1.14
Fixed the gold sharing bug, allowing you to share gold in nopool mode.
Fixed a fatal error issue when you did buy tomes with non-hero ships
Added a new cmd: -ula; Unloads all crew.
Added Imperial Heavy Cruiser (creep ship, capturable)
Increased the cost of fireball cannon
Increased the of basic siege cannon
Decreased the cost of heavy shell cannon
Gold and upgrade frequency increased to 4 min (was 3 min)
Increased the level limit to 200 from 100
Increased the tech limit to 30 from 20
Killing spree system added!
Added a new ship: Elven Carrack (2100)
Added a new ship: Elven Destroyer (4500)
Added a new shop: Magic Weapon Merchant
Sails no longer use inventory slots
Added 9 new weapons:
Frost Cannons (3)
Seeker Cannons (3)
Lightning Cannons (3)
Minor balancing...

1.14b
Added a new neutral ship shop: Goblin Dock
Added a new ship: Troop Transport
Changed Elven Carrack into Goblin Carrack and moved it to the goblin dock
Added explosion effects on hero ships when taking high damage
Fixed the hide skill bug for the infiltrator ship
Improved the damage stacking of seeker weapon
Fixed a bug with seeker weapon causing it to sometimes disappear and not doing damage
Frost weapons does now have slightly bigger chance to freeze, but somewhat less damage
Nerfed all lighting weapons by 20%
Black Pearl does now cost 20000, and has 1000 hp more than before and 25 more speed
Pirates players do now spawn much closer, until that base is destroyed
The pirates get 1 pirate ship every 50 seconds now
Added a new neutral ship shop: Goblin Dock
Added a new ship: Troop Transport
Changed Elven Carrack into Goblin Carrack
Changed treasure map trade mission location
Fixed some minor bugs...

1.15
Slightly readjusted the critical hit system. Bigger ships have slightly more resistance of being critically hit.
Added Flare ability to Goblin Carrack and removed bugged ability
Fixed a bug with the slow effect of Super Frost Cannon
Nerfed the Elven Destroyer seeker barrage ability
Removed a spree bug which did occur when players leaves
The Hide ability buff does now disappear when using abilties
Increased the projectile size of Super Rocket Cannon
Increased the projectile size of Heavy Siege Cannon
Reduced the cannon cooldown on lv1 from 9 sec to 7 sec
Reduced the cannon cooldown on lv2 from 7 sec to 6 sec
Nerfed the Napalm duration to 15 sec down from 20 sec
Heavy Cruisers do no longer spawn when the harbor is destroyed
Carpenter Stat is slightly buffed.
Carpenter hp bonus increased from 8 to 10 pr stat
Carpenter regeneration increased from 0.4 hp to 0.5 hp pr sec
Improved retreat AI a bit
Increased the cost of Transport from 2600 to 2900
Added a new secret shop with exotic weapons and items (3)
Added Critical Cannons (2) in the secret shop
Minor bugs fixed...

Don't be disapointed of the bs original terrain by legendary bs developer sked who made the first bs map in europe. I kept it cuz I find it very good as it is.

________________

I've tested it several times now and I hopefully got rid of all bugs. If you find any let me know.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

bad: loading screen, file name, text based game mode system, ships targetting my projectiles (imperial heavy cruiser), no gold trickle, old captain tome buildup causes lag, took awhile after i killed main harbor for anything to happen

good: can't shoot thru walls, permanant sail upgrade,

These are the notes I took while I played the new version of your map; I must say I had much more fun this time than last time.

If I could make a suggestion I'd say make so you can get the effects of sails and hulls stacked (non itemized the way it is), but then make it so all the ships are the same price and differ only in their abilities. Then contract the map down to the basic size, I don't think the pirate and east sea are really worth it.

Very fun. 4/5.


EDIT: also, I had something like 19,000 gold at one point, and was looking for basic cannon. I'd recommend you add new weapons.

 

[TKF]

bad: loading screen, file name, text based game mode system, ships targetting my projectiles (imperial heavy cruiser), no gold trickle, old captain tome buildup causes lag, took awhile after i killed main harbor for anything to happen

Ok, that's good you listed up some bad features. But...

What so bad with the file name? Suggestion?
And what do you mean with gold trickle? I don't understand what you mean with "gold trickle".


I reworked tome buying and replaced with "coins" and triggered the stats addon to prevent lagg. It seems it doesn't work well.
btw the HC rockets is also supposed to target cannons projectiles.

____________

Well about the text based game mode system I can change it. Not all hosts who played it only a few times know about the custom modes. I can perhaps add a table with buttons which allows the host to pick different modes.

I can look at the victory condition trigger and remove the wait timer.

More weapons will probably be added in future versions

As for the hulls suggestion to not consume inventory slots, maybe I'll do that, but I will consider it.



ty for the feedback

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Sorry for including stuff like file name, it's mostly just a pet peve of mine and really a matter of preference. I should really just leave it out of my reviews in the future.

Gold trickle is the thing in all the bships maps that give you 1 or so gold per second (or in my maps case, 10 gold per 10 seconds)

The tome thing I was trying to explain is that, when u use "use on pickup" setting in object editor, the tome model does not dissappear; it simply becomes tiny and unclickable. I should have gotten a screenshot of it in your map.

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/78fa61b40ab8497bc58b2ab956d1406868468770.png

It's sort of difficult to avoid this but i'd recommend literally triggering in the tome's effect and then "remove item from game"

And I did not realize you wanted cannon projectiles to be targetable.

 

[TKF]

Gold trickle is the thing in all the bships maps that give you 1 or so gold per second (or in my maps case, 10 gold per 10 seconds)

Well I may add this to satisfy some players, but I will substract this gold from the empire to balance it. 5 gold every 10 sec. In a full team, this will substract 600 gold from the empire every 4 minutes and kinda reduce the overall empire gold distributed to players.

The players receives same amount of gold as before because the empire does give 100% of it's gold to the players. But to prevent this system to give too much gold to the players, every upgrades the empire performs substracts 2500 gold of the empire gold, making for example 5000 gold only becomes 500 gold to each player with upgrades included.

If the empire for some reason have less than 2500 gold, the empire won't perform team upgrade.

The tome thing I was trying to explain is that, when u use "use on pickup" setting in object editor, the tome model does not dissappear; it simply becomes tiny and unclickable. I should have gotten a screenshot of it in your map.

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/78fa61b40ab8497bc58b2ab956d1406868468770.png

It's sort of difficult to avoid this but i'd recommend literally triggering in the tome's effect and then "remove item from game"

Ok, now I understand the problem when I did see your screenshot. Ty for showing me this.

I think I'm going to fix this in the easy way. I remove the tome animation and replace it with a different animation which does disappear out of the game and not leaving any trace.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

The trickle is just nice to have when you have 1196 gold, need 1600, and sell something for 400 gold to get it... that happened to me only to find I sold early.

 

[TKF]

UPDATE!

Added a custom modes selection with buttons for the host
Everyone do notice now when you changes your team name
Fixed the lagging problem bug with the crew tomes
Fixed a bug with pirates losing permanent cannon weapons when dying.
Fixed a classification bug with boarding ships (the spawned ones), it was counted as air unit earlier
Reduced the winning wait delay to 5 seconds
Added 5 gold income for every 10 seconds
Added high income mode for increased gold income
Added a gate hint after 30 mins

I released a small update with few changes and some important bugfixes. Most important bugfix is that if you give a pirate ship a cannon item and make him drop it again; and also the item isn't lost permanently upon death.

Now you can pick your modes by clicking on them if you want to. High Income mode gives 20 gold every 10 sec. Also reduced the winning wait timer from 25 seconds to 5 seconds.

I double and tripplechecked the custom mode selection. Hopefully I didn't misplace any buttons with wrong text.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Played newest today.

Some notes:
Change projectile update rate to every .03 seconds (looks like .04 or .05 atm)
Get rid of nets and black pearl.
Consider increasing default cooldown time (from 5,4,3 to 6,5,4 if that makes sense), I feel like mid game it's perfect, and late it's just too fast.

Once again I feel like this map is progressing rather nicely. It's very fun to play, and if it weren't for a few minor balance hiccups it could be a very fun and competitive game.

 

[TKF]

UPDATE!

1.16
Cannon reload cooldown at level 5 is increased from 3 seconds to 3.5 seconds
Infiltrators infiltrate ability does now also steal tower tech
Remade the kick system to be more reliable
Sinking empire gold transports no longer resets leaderboard
Player 3 does now get to see the multiboard when finished choosing modes
Fixed a bug where the pirates didn't benefit from periodic small gold income
Fixed tooltip on starboard cannons decription
Added -7% critical chance subtraction modifier when hitting hero ships
Increased the kill spree max limit from 25 to 70
Fixed a bug which allowed you to buy from enemy magic shop
Nerfed Hull Reinforcement items
Item sell value is reduced from 75% to 50%
Increased the cost and damage accordingly of Basic Cannon
Increased the cost and damage accordingly of Infernal Cannon
Shock Wave cannons added (2)
Dreadlord has a new ability: Multi Bombardment, which replaced deck cannon ability
Added a new mode: Weak Structures
Added a new ship: Goblin Destroyer
Fixed minor bugs...

New version released! Featuring a new ship with the ability to hookshot and drag your enemies towards you.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Cannon reload cooldown at level 5 is increased from 3 seconds to 3.5 seconds
:like

Infiltrators infiltrate ability does now also steal tower tech
erhaps overpowered

Added a new mode: Weak Structures
:How to enable?

I don't know if I'm just amazing, but I played a "normal" game with "no black pearl" a minute ago and won in just a few minutes. I think the starting gold might be a little too high.

http://filesmelt.com/Filehosting2/downloader.php?file=navalBattle116QuickWin.w3g
^the replay... omgdomination.

I'll be playing again in a minute to more accurately see the changes.

Edit: the second time around we started with less money, which is what it should have been. I think theres something wrong with the dialog system?

I think the ships are kind of unbalanced atm. The most expensive ship is a much easier target with a slower turn rate and sail speed. I think you should fix that... I was doing better with barque than royal cruiser.

 

[TKF]

UPDATE!

1.16b
Reduced turn rate of all cheaper ships to balance ship combat
Fixed a ability bug with multi bombardment ability
Fixed the custom mode closedown bug when you did choose double ship hp
Reversed No Black Pearl -> Black Pearl Mode, thus making it not available in other modes
Fixed a bug with the shockwave cannons which made them not working sometimes
Attempted to fix the hookshot fatal error issue (I'm not this is really fixed, but hopefully)
Fixed no fog mode. The map is no longer totally revealed in no fog mode
All trade location is revealed for the merchantman (trader)
Increased the range of Demolisher to 1800
Other minor adjustments...

There was a annoying critical bug which caused the game to crash, therefore I released a b version with fewer changes. Unfortunately nothing new in this version, only bugfixes.


I did reduce the turning rate now as you suggested. Still the bigger ships still have slightly slower turn rate than smaller ships.

I did also change the game mode a little and fixed the custom selection bug.

Added a new mode: Weak Structures
:How to enable?

Type -ws at start OR select it in the custom mode selection. If you vote for normal game, you cannot pick custom modes.

btw I did see your replay. You do only start with 7000 gold when rush mode was voted by the other players.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Ah, I see what you did there. I didn't realize it was on a vote system.

I will play the new version soon.

I like that you reduced small ship turn rate and reversed the black pearl mode. Now we're getting somewhere as fare as balance

...

Make some reminder for players to buy cannons. I played a game today and someone bought a crew. They couldn't afford a cannon.

Make a cheap cannon around 250 and turn off restricted trading.

Make long range missiles a "class" like freezing, chain lightning, etc.

Make a game mode that gives you a fixed amount of skill points, and allow players to change their points to any of the 3 facets in any combination.

Make imperial heavy cruiser's multi target cannon thing triggered to level up based on the average health of the ships. Right now it can 1 hit everything in it's path when it first comes out.

Change the "Fire" and "Attack" sounds to be 3d and variable pitched. Right now it sounds like it's being played over and over.

Change the creep upgrade system. Right now it's set to make them stronger when the empire has enough money. But the empire gets money from killing other creeps, so it's kind of reverse balanced (if players aren't getting kills, creeps are getting stronger quicker)

 

[TKF]

Make some reminder for players to buy cannons. I played a game today and someone bought a crew. They couldn't afford a cannon.

I think I will set delay on buying things except the weapons and cheap wood. I'll see what can do about this....

Make a cheap cannon around 250 and turn off restricted trading.

Yeah, maybe a cheap sheap sheep cannon xD Ehm NO!. What do you mean with restricted trading? Pooling isn't allowed in any instance by default. It it's supposed to stay that way, cuz it's supposed to be competetive and pro map in a way.

Make long range missiles a "class" like freezing, chain lightning, etc.

No, I think there is enough with 2 long range class weapons. And the magic weapons are supposed to be medium range. atm I have no plans of adding further weapons, cuz the map already have decent amount of weapon varieties since the addition of magic shop with 11 weapons.

Change the "Fire" and "Attack" sounds to be 3d and variable pitched. Right now it sounds like it's being played over and over.

Good idea. Why didn't I think of it earlier. I'll do it to give some variation. You can also turn off the sound by typing -nfs. Look at quest menu to get a list over all ingame commands.

Change the creep upgrade system. Right now it's set to make them stronger when the empire has enough money. But the empire gets money from killing other creeps, so it's kind of reverse balanced (if players aren't getting kills, creeps are getting stronger quicker)

I think i keep it in the way it's now. You don't get so much gold as before cuz the empire lose gold due to gold pr 10 sec feature.

 

[Ardnived]

I played it with coke, and this game is really quite fun, much better than bships thanks to the manual firing, over all I thinks there's not much wrong, but I think it could do with a bit more variety of ship types, and also I didn't actually make it to the pirate base (we outnumbered them 2 to 1 so I went exploring) but Coke tells me they can't win if you join them. You should definitely give the pirates some sort of victory condition.

Other than those 2 things there isn't really anything wrong with the game that I can think of atm, but really great work

If I play it again (which I probably will) I'll try to look around for any problems and I will definitely try to explore the forbidden waters some more.

Rated: 5/5

 

[TKF]

...I think it could do with a bit more variety of ship types...

I think it has a good variety of ships in the map, but they are not all in your base. atm it exist 25 different types of ships.

There is 1 Black pearl (Pirate only)
There is 1 Goblin War Machine at the bomb shop
There is 1 Elven Battleship in the Elven shipyard (forbidden waters)
There is 3 Goblin ships in the goblin dock (I'm probably going to add 1 more goblin ship)
There is 4 Pirate ships, but empire players is also capable of getting them, but I won't tell you where and how.
There is 5 Elven ships in the elven dock
There is 10 Normal ships in the main base

You should definitely give the pirates some sort of victory condition.

Actually I have given the pirates a victory condition, but I'm going to fix the debug win, which atm makes you have to wait 1 min until the win trigger rechecks the condition again cuz I've done something wrong so the trigger doesn't recognize it immediately.

If the pirates defeats both empires, he win.
If you kill the pirate base, empire wins.


Also if someone is a pirate and one of the empires is dead, the last remaining empire directly attacks the pirate base without you having to blast one of the gates. This is to make the game easier in case there is no players playing the map who have no idea how to open one of the west gates. (I forgot to mention it in the 1.15 changelogs it seems)

 

[Ardnived]

Oh ok then, I suppose those other ships (not in the forbidden waters) are in the bought in the middle area on the side, cause I didn't explore there much.

Also how are you suppose to get to the west gate? and are there more than one. How I got there was I went to the bunch of trees in the lower left next to the British Empire and used the Shallow Teleporter to get past them (which then for some reason caused them to explode), and then I waiter for my teleporter to recharge and teleported over the gate. Is that how you are suppose to do it? or is there like a bomb through the trees that you are suppose to shoot or something?

Also I think you should change the model for gold coins, I'm sure your intentionally chose a chest (and I suppose it makes more sense than a big coin) but it's just representative and I find it can be briefly confusing but mostly just annoying. Especially when I had Gold Hull and Gold Coins on the ground and I kept dropping the Hull and then accidentally picking it up oftent hinking I had missed one. Anyways it's a small thing but I think it would be better as something else.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

It really wouldn't matter what it is. He could make it a penguin and it would be easier that way

Although I didn't have the problem you described ardy.

 

[Ardnived]

Thats cause I was looting lots of pirates, and when you kill big groups it's good if you can easily identify the gold from the items.

 

[TKF]

I'm still getting fatal errors with the hookshot in 1.16b, and I have no idea how to fix it. I'm looking at the triggers, but cannot see what's wrong with it. I might end up with removing the ability if I cannot fix it. It causes fatal error every time.

1.17 might be released a little late. It will be released when I figure how i fix the hookshot bug and sometimes making.

After fixing that nuisance...

_________

GREAT NEWS!!!

NEW SECRET FEATURE COMING SOON!!

I'm also making a secret awesome feature. But I won't tell you what. It might take several days to code it. But it will make the map even more awesome! So in meanwhile be patient, it might take a week or longer.

Spoiler hint!

New unit: Captain (uhm what? new unit??? there is a captain already in the map)! It will be needed in the ******** **** ***** (bleeep!)

 

[Cokemonkey11]

If you post the script I'll convert it to MUI vJass for you.

But since I stopped writing GUI, that's all I can do...

 

[Tleno]

New feature? Let me guess: Treasure diging?

 

[Ardnived]

ooh, that would be probably be cool, though it would be hard to find the time to do it.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

I think he was being sarcastic. You have too many features and need to clean up the ones you have and make them more balanced and competitive.

 

[Ardnived]

Yeah Coke is probably right, even though features are cool, too many can confuse new people and you often wont be able to find time to do it, however one way to give people more time to explore different features and other things is to make the defensive towers stronger (I think they are too weak any ways)

 

[TKF]

....however one way to give people more time to explore different features and other things is to make the defensive towers stronger (I think they are too weak any ways)

People always whined when I played that the towers were to strong. This is the first time I hear someone meant that the towers are too weak. Have you ever played a bs map with so strong towers? I have not...

Next version features some balance changes and a new bounty system and shows how much your ships heals in green positive numbers. Also fire cannons will be nerfed now so they are not so good anymore. Also every player gets a starting basic cannon, so noobs can easier learn the game and allows you to change to 1200 corvette at start with more hp and a single start cannon.

To make an attempt of making autofire addicts to like this map a little more, I've added -autofire command for everyone to quench their thirst or autofireness. It's just autofiring of your cannons immediately when your reloading is done. Also it's good if you have some delay.

For the first time in long time I've changed the mainbase terrain to look slightly more realistic... and map size to EPIC (YEAH MAP EVEN LARGER)


Now I'm just debugging the new system now, but I'm unable to test the 3 team side feature of it alone. I'll release 1.17 very soon.... The new loading screen will show you the new feature

 

[Cokemonkey11]

Yeah Coke is probably right, even though features are cool, too many can confuse new people and you often wont be able to find time to do it, however one way to give people more time to explore different features and other things is to make the defensive towers stronger (I think they are too weak any ways)

*facepalm*

@TKF: If you use JNGP you can make maps 480*, but I've heard rumors of 512* as well.

 

[Ardnived]

Well as for the towers when I played with Coke, it just seemed that they died so quickly, even though we did out number them 2:1 I expected the towers to be able to take a bit more of a pummeling.

 

[TKF]

New Version!

1.17
Implemented a new system: Advanced Boarding Simulation (ABS)
ABS supports: Boarding Assistance System, AI support, Only 1 event at the time
New terrain imported: Wood
Harbor mainbase terrain changed
Added a new game mode: Simple Boarding (same as old boarding)
Hook items does now depend on your ship stats to succeed boarding
Super Grappling hook nerfed from 100% to 75% boarding chance
Added a new player command: -autofire (good in laggy games)
Players can now purchase additional ships at harbors
Created new captain units with the boarding system
Added a basic cannon to all ships at start + 1 charge of weak wood
Destroyed harbors gives the opposite team a bonus of 2000 gold for every 4 minutes
Added incremental bounty system for empire ships, increasing bounty according to tech level
Changed the bounty to:
Heavy cruiser: 400 (+5% pr tech level)
Cruiser: 160 (+5% pr tech level)
Battle Ship: 70 (+5% pr tech level)
Rowboat: 25 (+5% pr tech level)
Reduced the anti drop cooldown duration after firing your guns by 2 seconds
Swapped the location of goblin dock and ale brewery to make trading easier at start
Slightly buffed Dreadlord hp and crew (7000)
Fixed the Undead Crew item from not working
Increased the bounty of cannon tower from 500 to 600
Increased the base hp of watch tower from 2500 to 3000
Increased the crew in imperial battle ships from 40 to 45
Increased the crew in imperial cruisers from 100 to 120
Increased the crew in pirate ships from 100 to 120
Hit points healed does now show display in green numbers
Added stun delay when recently captured a ship
Harbor crew regeneration changed from 5% rate to 10 crew pr sec
Ships do now gain 1% increase of their base hp pr level now
Fire cannons direct damage reduced by 25%
Fixed some typos
Some minor balancing

1.17b
Fixed the boarding camera bug which did make the player lose vision of the game
Removed the goblin destroyers hookshot ability and replaced it with disrupt beacon ability
Cleaned a few trigger bugs of the Advanced Boarding System
Fixed a trigger bug when the boarding ship was sunk, causing it to not work again ingame
Fixed a bug with sometimes gaining insane amount of xp from being hit by cannons
Fixed a double bounty bug, caused you to gain to much gold when sinking gold supply
Fixed a bug with the afk command allowing players to drop your items while in AFK mode
Added a AFK dialog back button if the player types -afk
Autofire is enabled by deafult for the afk player
Increased the xp and gold reward for barrel of ale trade good
Empire Ships don't get increased bounty for sail upgrades
Ice cannons does now have 20% more range and does cost 20% more
Frost Nova cannon does cost the same but causes 200 less damage instead
Freezing damage bonus of Frost Nova cannon increased from 400 to 500 damage
Increased the drydocks strength by 40%
Increased base hit points of following ships:
Brig: 700 hp -> 800 hp
Interceptor: 750 hp -> 800 hp
Merchantman (Trader): 600 hp -> 650 hp
Goblin Carrack: 950 hp -> 1050 hp
Transport: 1200 hp -> 1400 hp
Precisor: 1650 hp -> 1850 hp
Destroyer: 1750 hp -> 1900 hp
Goblin Destroyer: 1600 hp -> 1750 hp
Elven Destroyer: 1400 hp -> 1600 hp
War Galleon: 2100 hp -> 2400 hp
Pirates Pride: 2900 hp -> 3300 hp
Corsair: 3400 -> 3800 hp
Elven Cruiser: 3000 hp -> 3400 hp
Dreadlord: 4000 hp -> 4500 hp
Juggernaught: 4700 hp -> 5200 hp
Goblin Warmachine: 4200 hp -> 4600 hp
Pirate Battleship: 8400 hp -> 9500 hp
Royal Cruiser: 9000 hp -> 10000 hp
Black Pearl: 7500 hp -> 9000 hp
Royal Flagship: 7500 hp -> 8500 hp
Dreadnought: 16000 hp -> 18000 hp (Fixed typo)
Firing sounds is now pitched with 10 different pitches
Some minor adjustments...

I know the changelog is a bit long, but I did some stats adjustments. The new boarding system removes the benefit of buying the same crew items. It doesn't stack in the new boarding system. Only the best bonus is used.

The new boarding system might contain bugs, but I didn't spot any more when I tested alone. I did remove those bugs I found when I was playing 1.17. But it still might be bugs. The old boarding systems kicks in in case when the new boarding doesn't initiate. atm it supports only 1 boarding simulation at the time, but supports multi ship cluster boarding which makes it more awesome. Also it's hard to test if this works cuz this rarely happens.


I might need bug report of weird things happening when you boards enemies. Also the simple boarding option is available in custom mode selection in case you don't want boarding combat simulation.