Cruiser Command v0.93g

[DiMiX]

Soo... with people bringing up questions about what to do with the wings... How about broadside artillery cannons? Naval battles are fought like this. It could be a powerful, long-range but inacurate weapon for use against the enemy cruiser / other large targets. It could be implemented in a similar way to the energy turrets, or controlled via the captain. Any thoughts on this?

Only one thought : No.

Anyone have a multuple of thoughts on the broadside-ship(as in WATER)style-cannons that are inspired by being British?

Sorry

Also, It seems that while the complexity of bulding custom torpedoes is unpopular, special effects and roles for the torpedoes as DiMiX suggests would be good? Perhaps I could just add different missiles classes such as 'Assault' or 'Support' missiles that can do anything from attacking the ships energy to screwing with their missile tracking/radar? We'd get the same effect, and people wouldn't need to waste time finding out the most effective torpedo combinations.

Am i that much of an asshole that no one comments on my whole torpedoe concept? I practically have to twist callex's arm into liking it, because he still doesnt understand that tweaking games by popular demand is a mistake that has caused the downfall of many a (up untill that point) great game.

Thanks for the help everyone

*Sigh*

 

[Levithan]

A simplified version of the Missile system above, would be you Produced a Missile Hull so to speak, which was X amount of resources, it has two slots inside it, Payload and Homing or Duel payload, the payload is how much damage, the bigger, the better, the more expensive, and homing well homes the missile. When the slots are filled out it turns into a custom missile, With the combined propertys of the items inside. Then to progress with missiles you put energy into research, and resources. which slowly unlock new warheads, hulls, Homing systems. Eventually three slot super missiles, which can have a anti matter war head ( takes two slots) and a good homing device. That would be a lot simpler to code IMO.

 

[DiMiX]

A simplified version of the Missile system above, would be you Produced a Missile Hull so to speak, which was X amount of resources, it has two slots inside it, Payload and Homing or Duel payload, the payload is how much damage, the bigger, the better, the more expensive, and homing well homes the missile. When the slots are filled out it turns into a custom missile, With the combined propertys of the items inside. Then to progress with missiles you put energy into research, and resources. which slowly unlock new warheads, hulls, Homing systems. Eventually three slot super missiles, which can have a anti matter war head ( takes two slots) and a good homing device. That would be a lot simpler to code IMO.

Yeah, this i what i want to see !!!

Simple, but imagine if cruiser command had this ? Wouldn't it add depth to the game ? I mean i for one always wanted to be able to slow down the enemy cruiser, i've also always hoped for Nukes, those would be the 3 slot torpedoes. This is the way you should all be thinking, but keep expressing yourself creatively

Oh, and if you don't know squat about coding (like me) ask how difficult it would be to make at the end of your idea, and maybe Callex will answer, and if he doesn't it's only because a lot of people are sending him emails instead of posting here for all to see, which is better FOR sure

Leviathan, have you seen a system like this in some other game ? I think i've seen something like this in an RPG somewhere but i can't remember which map it was exactly...

 

[callex]

Lots of the things are possible with the triggering; the real limiting factors are map performance and the time taken to implement changes. Some things are easy to change, whereas others are extremely difficult. That being said, I could retrigger the lasers to use the proposed system relatively easily. I could use mana as a simple way of displaying the amount of energy stored in a turret.
When a turret is energy filled, it will simply no longer drain energy from the ship's power.

 

[DeadMG]

I think that the artillery idea is a great one. The captain needs more role when it's not Predator spam time. I think that you could greatly improve the game by allowing him to attempt to "snipe" the enemy miners with some sort of hugeass cannon.

Customizable missiles is a bad idea, the balance will never work, there's no need for it, and the time/effort to make it is expensive.

 

[masterofra]

Lots of the things are possible with the triggering; the real limiting factors are map performance and the time taken to implement changes. Some things are easy to change, whereas others are extremely difficult. That being said, I could retrigger the lasers to use the proposed system relatively easily. I could use mana as a simple way of displaying the amount of energy stored in a turret.
When a turret is energy filled, it will simply no longer drain energy from the ship's power.

The last sentence made me think you had a different idea than what thought you had. I thought that you wanted power drain to be constant, becuase engines drain power constantly, regardless of what level you have them at. Using mana would be a very good way to do it.

The other question is if you could add an extra button to the power control panel that would toggle the power change rate between 5, 25, and 100. This would let you spend less time clicking for the same result. A bar slider would of course be ideal, but that isn't possible

I have noticed a very nasty bug in the game which causes fighters(not sure if it effects miners) to lose control. i mean not that the command card goes black while its selected(i think this happens too) but heres what happens. at some point, the the player who is controlling the fighter suddenly notices he has his crew member selected, which is inside the cruiser somewhere. however, the fighter is still outside, and his camera is stuck outside. we had escape pods, so we tried destroying the ship, but it didnt help. he was still stuck out/in the cruiser. it happened to one of the players, and shortly after, the other one. it seems only to effect fighters,

 

[Levithan]

Yeah, this i what i want to see !!!

Simple, but imagine if cruiser command had this ? Wouldn't it add depth to the game ? I mean i for one always wanted to be able to slow down the enemy cruiser, i've also always hoped for Nukes, those would be the 3 slot torpedoes. This is the way you should all be thinking, but keep expressing yourself creatively

Oh, and if you don't know squat about coding (like me) ask how difficult it would be to make at the end of your idea, and maybe Callex will answer, and if he doesn't it's only because a lot of people are sending him emails instead of posting here for all to see, which is better FOR sure

Leviathan, have you seen a system like this in some other game ? I think i've seen something like this in an RPG somewhere but i can't remember which map it was exactly...

No it was just something Draz and I, came up with originally, in our first massive suggestions list. Which most people are just resuggesting that stuff, ( page 3 or 4 i think btw) and Are we going to have this Nuke, discussion again . Im a indie developer, However modeling not coding. I know some stuff however so it is a simpler suggestion than a resource based conversion. I think ( No idea about Jass tbqh)

 

[DiMiX]

No it was just something Draz and I, came up with originally, in our first massive suggestions list. Which most people are just resuggesting that stuff, ( page 3 or 4 i think btw) and Are we going to have this Nuke, discussion again .

Yeah i remember those posts, however the map was in a much earlier stage of its evolution then, and you should repost those suggestions after reading all the post that followed them, so that you can modify them acordingly.

My own first suggestions and bug reports were Via private message to Callex, we're insanely long (and i mean that literally) and preceded yours by a day or two, so we had mostly the same ideas at roughly the same time. Why isn't Draz posting himself anymore ?

Im a indie developer, However modeling not coding. I know some stuff however so it is a simpler suggestion than a resource based conversion. I think ( No idea about Jass tbqh)

If you have experience as an Indie game developer than you can be an invaluable source of feedback for Callex, maybe more than anyone else (NOT to say that we dont DESPERATELY NEED, as many people giving feedback as possible, regardless of their skills, knowledge of the game or IQ.)

+Rep for you agai....argh... can't yet but i will later

 

[DiMiX]

I think that the artillery idea is a great one. The captain needs more role when it's not Predator spam time. I think that you could greatly improve the game by allowing him to attempt to "snipe" the enemy miners with some sort of hugeass cannon.

Customizable missiles is a bad idea, the balance will never work, there's no need for it, and the time/effort to make it is expensive.

Hmmm i see you still fear over complexity and time consumption despite the fact that i have payed both of theese issues alot of time thought and design.

However

Perhaps you have a valid point, it's healthy to question one's one convictions, so i question my own.


Your post as well as staring at the Cruiser Command picture (yeah i do that) for a few minutes inspired me to think in this manner.

Look at the cruiser on the picture.

Notice something.

Its not symetrical.

The left side has a custom weapon "On Top" but the right does not.

Can't we have a torpedo launcher on one Wing and a Cannon on the other? (Both facing forward, or able to aim, forget the whole broadside idea, its ridiculous)

The development would be done ONE AT A TIME, and the know-how needed to develop each, as well as the detailed discussion of their further design will allso be done one step at a time.

Any thoughts?

 

[TKF]

Lots of the things are possible with the triggering; the real limiting factors are map performance and the time taken to implement changes. Some things are easy to change, whereas others are extremely difficult. That being said, I could retrigger the lasers to use the proposed system relatively easily. I could use mana as a simple way of displaying the amount of energy stored in a turret.
When a turret is energy filled, it will simply no longer drain energy from the ship's power.

I like this idea, draining turret mana it shows on the console you control. When you drain the mana completely you directly drain from the ships energy.

How are you displaying the amount of mana? 1 mana point for each 1gw? Should you still be able to use lasers if power is set to 0gw with mana system?

The last sentence made me think you had a different idea than what thought you had. I thought that you wanted power drain to be constant, becuase engines drain power constantly, regardless of what level you have them at. Using mana would be a very good way to do it.

Well I see your point that it would be unfair when u use energy on other different systems. I guess it would be hard to adjust the energy reduction when reducing the speed, but the math in triggers here could be hard to make.

The shields can for example drain only half when you reach the % level according to energy spent. This needs the energy consumption to be shows as well on the multiboard. It's up to callex to implement this, but I liked his idea with mana on turrets to show stored energy.

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Cruiser / Vessel strength comparison:

Also one thing I notice is that fighters are very tough with some upgrades and 2 fighters is so strong that they are probably stronger than the hull on the battlecruiser. Predator takes only about 1000 hp or so. Scorpion does about the same damage. A fighter with 6400 hp you need 6-8 hits with missiles and if you double the amount of hits you can probably almost slay a battlecruiser badly. I think vessel defense upgrades are OP!

Miner is relatively vulnerable. My suggestion is to increase it's hp to 3000 so it can survive a little more firepower and making the fighter have also have 3000 hp so you don't repair abuse them as they both have same % hp when you change it in the repair bay. I think that would be more fair and reduce the hp increase of vessel upgrades to 500. That's enough imo. This should make it somewhat simpler to kill fighters since they are very strong and can survive several hits.

The other vessel upgrades are quite balanced as I can see it.

 

[Levithan]

@ dimix, well At the moment, we are not making our own game. We where doing a RTS with some very nice new stuff, but our coders gone bye byes. So we are waiting on restarting that. Currently 3 of us are working on a mod for Mount and blade.

 

[Tleno]

Hey, does anybody ever hosts this map on B.net?

 

[Koloricsi]

I dont know, i dont see many If lot of ppl would play this, then more ppl would be pro, and there would be much better battles.

 

[Tleno]

who can host? If I'd be one, I'd host...

 

[masterofra]

I like this idea, draining turret mana it shows on the console you control. When you drain the mana completely you directly drain from the ships energy.

How are you displaying the amount of mana? 1 mana point for each 1gw? Should you still be able to use lasers if power is set to 0gw with mana system?

Not quite, When the turret mana is gone, the turret does NOT work. the energy drain for all three systems will always remain constant, unless you adjust the values for usage. 1 mana would be one gw. You cannot set laser level lower than 5. If you send 10gw per second to laser capacity, then once you get 3k, set it to 0gw, you could still use the lasers, but they would stop working when they ran out of power.

Well I see your point that it would be unfair when u use energy on other different systems. I guess it would be hard to adjust the energy reduction when reducing the speed, but the math in triggers here could be hard to make.

The shields can for example drain only half when you reach the % level according to energy spent. This needs the energy consumption to be shows as well on the multiboard. It's up to callex to implement this, but I liked his idea with mana on turrets to show stored energy.

I think that all systems should drain the amount of power they have allocated to them per second, and no more/less. You could perhaps make so that you take (shield% - powerAllocated) is proportional to the regen/decay, so that the shield uses power to maintain itself, and the leftover power is used to regenerate it. if the difference is negative, then the shield would lose strength(decay), until it matched the powerAllocated.

Heck, for engines, you could make it so that power sent to it is also stored in a mana pool, and the engines use power proportional to the speed. if the mana pool ran out, then the engines would die, until power is sufficient.

These would all work like a budget, where you have some income amount (180gw - 255gw), and 3 expenses(engines, shields, and lasers) which would go into funds for those things, that would be used when needed.

 

[DeadMG]

Doing something because the picture shows it is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. Please, never, ever, ever, EVER become a game designer.

I don't fear overcomplexity, I've played my fair share of overcomplex games (Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance - become an expert at that and we'll talk). I've just played games for long enough to know that this kind of thing simply doesn't work. The fact is that the presence (inevitably) of cookie-cutter specs proves that when you add customizability, you don't really add customizability. The fact is that the game is so simple, blow up the enemy ship, that there's simply not enough room for it. That's not a criticism, it's just how the game is. You can't win the game by harvesting enough resources and building a galactic superdrive to escape to another galaxy. You can't win the game by boarding the enemy ship and killing the crew. You can't win the game by making peace, by genetically modifying your crew members to telepathically force the other crew into suicide, by teleporting a bomb into their engine, by using your incredibly advanced technology to rip a hole in spacetime, by luring them into a star, by calling for reinforcements, by landing on a planet and using it's resources to build a bigass missile. There's one way to win, which is beat your opponent into shit.
And, thusly, customization will produce exactly one best missile- the best at scattering the atoms of your opponents across the cosmos.
This isn't a criticism, I like the simplicity of the map. Customizability just doesn't fit here.

Oh yeah, the laser cells on the fighter SUCK. And they suck hard. I did find a use for pirana missiles: at the start of the game, you can buy 3 scorps and 1 pirana, and need a hit with any three (often gotten me that first kill). But there's none for laser cells. They should be infinite for a weapon so weak, and then I could argue a use.

 

[Levithan]

Doing something because the picture shows it is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. Please, never, ever, ever, EVER become a game designer.

I don't fear overcomplexity, I've played my fair share of overcomplex games (Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance - become an expert at that and we'll talk). I've just played games for long enough to know that this kind of thing simply doesn't work. The fact is that the presence (inevitably) of cookie-cutter specs proves that when you add customizability, you don't really add customizability. The fact is that the game is so simple, blow up the enemy ship, that there's simply not enough room for it. That's not a criticism, it's just how the game is. You can't win the game by harvesting enough resources and building a galactic superdrive to escape to another galaxy. You can't win the game by boarding the enemy ship and killing the crew. You can't win the game by making peace, by genetically modifying your crew members to telepathically force the other crew into suicide, by teleporting a bomb into their engine, by using your incredibly advanced technology to rip a hole in spacetime, by luring them into a star, by calling for reinforcements, by landing on a planet and using it's resources to build a bigass missile. There's one way to win, which is beat your opponent into shit.
And, thusly, customization will produce exactly one best missile- the best at scattering the atoms of your opponents across the cosmos.
This isn't a criticism, I like the simplicity of the map. Customizability just doesn't fit here.

Oh yeah, the laser cells on the fighter SUCK. And they suck hard. I did find a use for pirana missiles: at the start of the game, you can buy 3 scorps and 1 pirana, and need a hit with any three (often gotten me that first kill). But there's none for laser cells. They should be infinite for a weapon so weak, and then I could argue a use.

Sorry but Dead, I am going to contend this. Simply saying that one best missile will evolve is completlty stupid, For example will the best missile be Medium payload, and great homing, or huge payload and no homing. Best is really opinion, If you prefer long range fighting, you would use lots of homing devices and not much in the payload department ( this is slightly biased towards my missile customization and drone customization model). Also With drones, Would a Highly armoured, Drone with a laser chain gun, or a lighter armoured, drone carrying a extreme payload which detonates infront of the cruiser and hits them with flak. Would a EMP missile which knocks out shields be more useful in this situation than an Anti Matter Uber-missile. See there is no ONE BEST missile with customisation, its just what you want, when you want it, and allows advanced tactics to emerge for the better teams. Like when Draz, Gen, You, and Me played together using steam voice chat. We used tactics, Or atleast we did the next day when you left.

 

[DiMiX]

Miner is relatively vulnerable. My suggestion is to increase it's hp to 3000 so it can survive a little more firepower and making the fighter have also have 3000 hp so you don't repair abuse them as they both have same % hp when you change it in the repair bay.

I don't know about that, i want to put the miner in even more danger, make it more exciting to play. Veteran players seem to find mining boring, i mean it is, you just find asteroid, pull the parking brake, fire up MAH LAZER,ping for danger,rinse,repeat...

I usually send the beginners to go mining, because i don't want to do it myself when i KNOW no real danger is imminent (except on rare occasions when i play vs good players which i suscpect may hunt me down)

Now, if we added mine's (layed by fighters only) like some ideas/suggestions a page or two back say, and dont increase the miner HP, i think Cruiser Command will be much more fun in that matter.


P.S. I always host Cruiser Command in EU RPG room #1 or #2, i've gotten ad least 10-12 people to be fans of the game, and i keep trying to get more people to know it. I don't play on battle net, i find most the players there to be immature, where as in Garena i stumble uppon really nice people once in a while.
However i can log on to B-net too if anyone wants to play.

 

[DiMiX]

Doing something because the picture shows it is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. Please, never, ever, ever, EVER become a game designer.

I don't fear overcomplexity, I've played my fair share of overcomplex games (Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance - become an expert at that and we'll talk). I've just played games for long enough to know that this kind of thing simply doesn't work. The fact is that the presence (inevitably) of cookie-cutter specs proves that when you add customizability, you don't really add customizability. The fact is that the game is so simple, blow up the enemy ship, that there's simply not enough room for it. That's not a criticism, it's just how the game is. You can't win the game by harvesting enough resources and building a galactic superdrive to escape to another galaxy. You can't win the game by boarding the enemy ship and killing the crew. You can't win the game by making peace, by genetically modifying your crew members to telepathically force the other crew into suicide, by teleporting a bomb into their engine, by using your incredibly advanced technology to rip a hole in spacetime, by luring them into a star, by calling for reinforcements, by landing on a planet and using it's resources to build a bigass missile. There's one way to win, which is beat your opponent into shit.
And, thusly, customization will produce exactly one best missile- the best at scattering the atoms of your opponents across the cosmos.
This isn't a criticism, I like the simplicity of the map. Customizability just doesn't fit here.

Oh yeah, the laser cells on the fighter SUCK. And they suck hard. I did find a use for pirana missiles: at the start of the game, you can buy 3 scorps and 1 pirana, and need a hit with any three (often gotten me that first kill). But there's none for laser cells. They should be infinite for a weapon so weak, and then I could argue a use.

Whoaaa easy with the Ego trip Mr.Mastermind, Mr. I PWN Strategy games and understand all, im just trying to improve the game, if we dissagree we discuss it...if we have emotional problems we seek therapy mmmkay?

The fact that the only way to win is to destroy the enemy does not mean we can't make 1001 ways to do it. Look at dota, its also a 5v5 teamplay game where the objective is the same all the time and yet the variations in possible games are endless.

My whole question was, can't we have 2 different weapon systems on each wing? Why do they have to be symetrical ? They don't

 

[Levithan]

In addition to Dimix, and my points about your Simplicity. Simple is fine, if it is a fun concept that can no longer be refined, Tetris, Pong, and games like that. However a game about commanding an elite Space Battle Cruiser, Demands just a little customization and tactics. BTW I really wouldn't call Sup Com that complex, Try Dwarf fortress if you want a complex strategy game, Oh yeah and Emotional problems done help. As Dimix said, We discuss and debate improvements to find the best formula. No need to have a Napoleon complex, PS if you don't know what that means, it means your AMbition and Ego think your amazing, and better than the rest of us.

 

[DiMiX]

Try Dwarf fortress if you want a complex strategy game, Oh yeah and Emotional problems done help.

Damn, Dwarf fortress was TOOOOO complex for my taste, 0 grafics, but sooooo many things to do.... it kinda annoyed me with its complexity


Anyways, do you guys think Callex should do some cosmetic upgrades to the interrior of the Cruiser? Like add a med-bay;

(a small cosmetic med bay would improve the atmosphere, since every space battle i've seen in every sci fi movie some how reffers to a medical bay, even if its only like : Captain - Medical bay, casualty report !)

Or like some more computer banks in the empty hallways, such a large cruiser may need alot of computing power, you get the general idea of what i mean right ?

I'd like to see some suggestions about cosmetic improvements of the interrior, even though the ones done sofar are pretty great, but too few for my taste, especially in the neck of the cruiser, there's like NOTHING there...

Not even those thingies that go beep beep whizz beep beep once in a while

 

[Tleno]

Make beds and kitchen and possibly other kinds of rooms for the crew or at least some kinda like hibernation chamber... Then maybe also make some panells and pipes, like in submarines since thats only real thing to compare spaceships with...

And DeadMG, complexity is not really good sometimes... Add a bleeding/recoil/hostage morale and other junk to CS and nobody would play it. Compexity is now allways good. In some games, esspecially singleplayer, but its just horror of horrors in multiplayer!

 

[DiMiX]

Make beds and kitchen and possibly other kinds of rooms for the crew or at least some kinda like hibernation chamber...

No no no ahaha , we don't want things that aren't relevant to combat No one goes to sleep or to the toiler or to fix a snack with missiles flying all over the place )))

This isn't LOAP


I was thinking about stuf u have seen in scifi movies and TV Shows, Like Star Trek/Wars/Gate, Battlestar Galactica etc...

Maybe we need more high-tech pipes though

 

[Tleno]

Hmmm, I just wanted to add realism, I mean, those brave men fight for months in their cruisers and you want to leave them sleep on metal floor? I mean, there would be living quarters in real ship or at least some hibernation system... even Parasite has beds...

 

[DiMiX]

Yeah but there is little room as it is... We have to assume we are looking at a cruiser in the heat of battle...

P.S. Although Callex DID mention adding a second floor to the Cruiser when we were chatting once... what do you think about that?

 

[Tleno]

Nah, we don't need so much space for battle and well, how much are there people? Its really not hard to add very compact living quarters and hospital on one wing and lab or something else on another wing.

 

[DeadMG]

A quick response:

For example will the best missile be Medium payload, and great homing, or huge payload and no homing.

The better missile will have a greater payload, because the homing system sucks and you need a very close shot anyway. You can just ram the enemy cruiser or force them to run away for eternity.

However, you're not really understanding the point. There is no time when these two missiles will be equally useful. Either you can out-turn a missile, or you can't. One of them will always be useless compared to the other. Which missile is greater boils down to a very simple logical expression, which is that if the greater payload missile can hit the enemy BC before it can turn enough to avoid the missile, it will be greater. Flat out, no questions asked, no possibility of the other being greater.

Like when Draz, Gen, You, and Me played together using steam voice chat. We used tactics, Or atleast we did the next day when you left.

Didn't go anywhere, I simply haven't been able to find you. Always checked for Draz on friends list, and I've been on Steam the whole time.
But more importantly, we didn't use tactics. We used the same tactic every time- spam Predators, save energy, maybe fire some lasers. That was it. Now that the fighter can take down miners, it's more interesting and more dynamic, but still mostly the same.

Whoaaa easy with the Ego trip Mr.Mastermind, Mr. I PWN Strategy games and understand all, im just trying to improve the game, if we dissagree we discuss it...if we have emotional problems we seek therapy mmmkay?

No emotion here. Go play it, or even do some research on it. Go buy Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, and become good at the game. I challenge you. Don't take my word that the game is overcomplex. Go find out for yourself. But, I personally am having a completely rational discussion here.

The fact that the only way to win is to destroy the enemy does not mean we can't make 1001 ways to do it. Look at dota, its also a 5v5 teamplay game where the objective is the same all the time and yet the variations in possible games are endless.

DoTA is a horrible game. But, more to the point, do you have customizable heroes? Not last time I checked. There's only one way to destroy your enemy, which is pick the biggest missile (Predators) and maybe the odd Yamato if you got the mercox to spare, and get close to them (preferably from behind) and fire at them until they blow up.

So, the best missile will always be the best at doing the highest amount of raw damage to your enemy in the shortest period of time. What missile that is will depend on a number of factors, but those factors are constant from version to version, so in 0.66b, the best missile to fire out your BC is a Predator, because it does lots of damage and the enemy BC typically can't dodge it. That's all.

Edit:
There's no reason for the wings to be symnetrical, except that making them non-symnetrical is totally abitrary and serves no discernable function whatsoever.

 

[DiMiX]

DeadMG, you just had another ego trip, it is possible that you are so into it, that you fail to realize it. Help Cruiser Command in whatever way you seem fit, but don't go into tantrums and waste all that creative potential on thoughts that myself and others will never pay attention to.

Your previous post is flawed in so many points, both logically and creatively that i will not bother replying until you improve your mood.

 

[DiMiX]

Nah, we don't need so much space for battle and well, how much are there people? Its really not hard to add very compact living quarters and hospital on one wing and lab or something else on another wing.

Could you post a few screens and show me WHERE exactly do you think we could fit all that stuff in ? I mean i really don't get it and showing me would advance the whole argument (of cosmetic upgrades) a whole notch.

I'd do it myself, but my damn laptops Prt Scr button is messed up, and i won't be able to get to my regular PC for another 2-3 days.

 

[Koloricsi]

I agree with other, the interior should be upgraded. Its kinda boring that there are some energy flow,generators......i think thats all what is only foor eyes.

 

[Tleno]

Yeah, and maybe I should sometime post screenshots of my personal spaceship map wich I play with my friend?

 

[DiMiX]

Yeah, and maybe I should sometime post screenshots of my personal spaceship map wich I play with my friend?

Heck if you think that would help, go right ahead

If you feel like firing up Photoshop (Or MS Paint heheheh) and drawing something simple that would be great too...

What kind of eye kandy would you like to see and where the most? (for me its the neck of the cruiser, its soo depresingly boring )

 

[Tleno]

Whole cruiser is kinda depresingly bland. Its a spaceship, it must nbe awesome! And I already told you what I want: It must be like na normal spaceship with all the crew systems. And don't forget to change both cruisers

 

[TKF]

I found a few bugs.


Bugreport for 0.66b:

• Extreme amounts of fires makes the game almost unplayable and causes enormous laggs - Heavy memory leaks?
• Team 2 can see enemy miners though the fog of war at start for some reason. At least I noticed it when I was captain for team 2. Gives a superior unfair tactical advantage for that team to know here the cruiser is when using map pinging ability.
• -cam command doesn't work when you turn on missile camera, then off.
• -name " " noname bug
• If the miner is docking in the left docking bay, his minerals won't automatically be extracted when docked like for the miner at right bay.

 

[Hugomath]

Hmm i think that the second floor you mentioned would be intersting for put a weapons for crew members and medical center room.
Well the weapons for crew members could be also created by certain minerals in the molecular constructor...

What about a kind of assault vessel?It would have 2 laser towers(of course the vessel would have his own energy for the turrets)and 2 missiles silos,also would have a boarding system to use on the enemy cruiser =P

 

[ShigureMiko]

nice map!! awesome game when i plalyed it......... just requesting umm... can we have less hp on the people so when the ship gets hull damaged and theres impact inside the ship.. theres a chance that they die?? and making the ore for yamato more rare to find.. and making the yamato stronger ... just a thought... to make the game better

 

[SasuhKun]

Callex showed up out of nothing and made 2 great space maps. Though this one is more popular than solar conquest, I like both... I can't keep up with both posts, too many fans xD. Nice idea Hugomath, I was thinking on that too, but wans't sure how to do it, since crew is kinda short. It would work nice if there were more players to each team, but Callex have already met the fuc*ing 12 limit. So there gotta be a little thinking (like Einstein would say).

 

[Azeroc]

Callex showed up out of nothing and made 2 great space maps. Though this one is more popular than solar conquest, I like both... I can't keep up with both posts, too many fans xD. Nice idea Hugomath, I was thinking on that too, but wans't sure how to do it, since crew is kinda short. It would work nice if there were more players to each team, but Callex have already met the fuc*ing 12 limit. So there gotta be a little thinking (like Einstein would say).

Could be fixed if player controls 2 peasants xD

 

[TKF]

Callex showed up out of nothing and made 2 great space maps. Though this one is more popular than solar conquest, I like both... I can't keep up with both posts, too many fans xD. Nice idea Hugomath, I was thinking on that too, but wans't sure how to do it, since crew is kinda short. It would work nice if there were more players to each team, but Callex have already met the fuc*ing 12 limit. So there gotta be a little thinking (like Einstein would say).

Could be fixed if player controls 2 peasants xD

lol fail!

No, there is possible to have 6 players for each team, if callex is using player 13 and player 14, which is neutral hostile and neutral passive if I don't recall wrong. However it's much work to implement it, but as far as I can see I think it's possible to make it happen, but it's also not easy task to add and adjust the ally settings for these players. It might be a challenge and I've never done this myself, only seen a few other mappers doing it in their respective maps. It's up to callex to consider this.

For example in DoE (aos map), there are 6 players on each team + forces are using neutal hostile and neutral passive.



As for the cruiser interior and systems it was made by hard work that took several weeks for callex to pull through. Making that isn't easy. Callex has put much work into the map and done it properly. I don't understand the terrain critics as the interior does look like the inside of a cruiser and it's 1000 times better than the ship interior design in missile war (it's so bad you don't even understand it's supposed to look like battlecruiser xD).

 

[DiMiX]

As for the cruiser interior and systems it was made by hard work that took several weeks for callex to pull through. Making that isn't easy. Callex has put much work into the map and done it properly. I don't understand the terrain critics as the interior does look like the inside of a cruiser and it's 1000 times better than the ship interior design in missile war (it's so bad you don't even understand it's supposed to look like battlecruiser xD).

Don't misunderstand me, i'm not criticizing the terraining itself, i think it's very well made, and it's a vast improvement over missile war and allot of other similliar maps, i am merely saying that such great work should be continued, and more of the cruiser should be made to look less bland, and more like an awesome battlecruiser fearlessly cruising the vastness of space.

I've been looking for suitable models for a lab and a medbay (strictly cosmetic for now, don't expect the lab or the medbay to have any functionality in "early" versions, we will discuss this possibility MUCH later on)

After discussing the matter with Callex he agreed to consider making theese provided that we find models for the job.I scanned through several space maps, most notably through Parasite 2 and Metastasis , and it seems that they use re-skinned stock models (those that come with the world editor of RoC + TFT )

Later tonight i will scan trough several other Sci-Fi maps, and then i'll start scanning the Hive and other resource sites. Hopefully we'll see a less bland interior in 2-3 version updates. However his current work is not focused on this matter though it may be depending on our help and encouragement !

 

[Levithan]

DImix if you want some models, just ask. Im a static, world modeler, for FPS, and RPG type games. ( and of course actualy in sight hud guns, but not much use here )

 

[DiMiX]

DImix if you want some models, just ask. Im a static, world modeler, for FPS, and RPG type games. ( and of course actualy in sight hud guns, but not much use here )

Wow, thats fantastic

I hope we see some of your very own models in future versions of Cruiser Command, contact Callex for more details on how he wants em, he doesn't bite....much....

 

[Hongi]

I tried to email this to you, and PM, but you said it didn't work. Forgive me if any of my ideas/suggestions have been implemented in 0.67, but, I have not played it yet.

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Hello mate.

I felt like I'd actually compile that list, so.

Fixes/balances

1) The shield booster - we discussed this, and I feel it should have a two minute cooldown, but half the energy cost it currently has. This is because I feel that the mineral harvest / capacitor build-up portion of the game is too repetitive to carry out for a long time, and this feature causes the stage to require a longer play-time before combat.

2) Turrets - While two is a decent number for a full team, perhaps only one is necessary? I feel that if fighters are used, as well as a missile reload and repairs taking place, at least two people need to be on duty within the ship.

3) Qualifications - no doubt you're aware of people giving each other qualifications; my suggestion is either to remove this, or, preferably, allow it, but give the originally qualified entity a boost (i.e. pilots fly slightly faster, captain can turn quicker, engineers can stack more items), to simulate that a more experience person would be better at the job, but to still allow flexibility.

4) Possibly removal of upgrade icons when they're fully upgraded (you've done this with items, I'm not sure how different it is)

5) Capacitor - have a maximum amount of energy stored? Possibly allow the generator upgrade to increase the maximum, as well as increase regeneration rate.

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Suggestions

1) As I covered in our discussion, some on-foot elements, including combat suits. You mentioned pirate ships, and I feel that this would a brilliant addition. I also think that randomised stations/planet (i.e create 15, and only three will appear in any one game), that provide certain advantages if a crew member remains on them/takes item from, would be useful. Things such as an external shield generator, or a stationary surface - space gun.

2) To compensate for the above addition, a bigger space area would be required (roughly double the size; alternatively, half the size of things within, and set the camera differently.)

3) As well as a greater playable area, automated drones would be great (I believe you mentioned this several days ago). We've seen this in the mineral return droids, and I think something you could engineer to carry minerals to the refinery, and then store them in the cargo bay (perhaps a staged increase; at the start, it is run as it is in the current version, and as time goes on, crews can invest in a drone to the refinery, and then go out 'til they eventually do not need to reload missiles: the only unautomated thing would be item creation, and generator management.)

4) Wishful thinking, and the lowest priority, but a save/load of your crewmember. I know this is unnecessary, but I believe there are ways of making this worthwhile. On creation, you choose a model, and then possibly traits (ability to sprint, etc), somewhat like the SWAT creation. You can then load this hero in other games, and it will gain experience as you win games, as well as show win:loss ratio, and number of times played as a certain qualification. The traits would be independent of qualifications, but some would favour certain roles. Experience would be used in acquiring a wider variety of vanity items, as well exclusive hand-held weaponry (equal in power, but with more fun and interesting abilities).

5) More qualifications. As I suggested above, everyone could do anything, once qualified, but not as well as the original player. I would like to see soldier, for on foot missions, and boarding, as well as a technical expert, who could use certain items, that would repair the ship, take control of neutral objectives, or even sabotage the enemy vessel from the inside.

6) Rebirth system. Various ideas, such as cloning, are in place; I suggest several alternatives, as well as one I have previously suggested in chat.

a) Android rebirth: when you die, your brain is transferred into a less agile robot, who who more powerful; however, it is ONLY capable of doing the task originally assigned, albeit with more proficiency. This will punish the individual, by forcing it to do one task, while being less harsh to the team. The individual is forced to recharge every fifteen minutes, for thirty seconds + damage at a station. (If recovered within 10 minutes of death)

b) AI, I have suggested this, and I stand by it. The AI can remotely control anything it is given permission to, be it refining, item production, flying a craft, or anything in-between. It could even hack the enemy cruiser. However, it would have no physical form, although a ghostly hologram would be allowed, so that the player can still demonstrate certain techniques to new people. As a downside, however, it is a constant energy drain, to punish the team for not assisting their fallen comrade. (If not recovered within 10 minutes)

c) On site resurrection, with a certain items, which would be in addition to the above systems, but with a time limit (roughly five minutes).

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I hope you enjoy reading these suggestions, at the very least. Thank you for your time.

~Hongi

 

[TKF]

Bugs that still remains in 0.67b

Bugreport for 0.66b:

• Extreme amounts of fires makes the game almost unplayable and causes enormous laggs - Heavy memory leaks?
• Team 2 can see enemy miners though the fog of war at start for some reason. At least I noticed it when I was captain for team 2. Gives a superior unfair tactical advantage for that team to know here the cruiser is when using map pinging ability.
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• -name " " noname bug
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there's some more but I couldn't verify them yet in 0.67b

The cruiser tend to turn suddenly without the captaing controlling it. And also if you activate the camera and then zoom into the ship again, your view get stucked if the captain fires a missile and -cam command won't work in this case either. Also missile loading.... btw I maybe think I already told callex this....


The 0.67b version is great and i like the 2 new missiles and the turret change. Great changes!

GJ CALLEX!!


btw what is the 3rd unfinished constole for in the east wing? Energy torpedo launcher or turret?

 

[DiMiX]

The cruiser tend to turn suddenly without the captaing controlling it.

Confirmed, this does indeed happen.


Keep up the great work Cal, and welcome to all the people that decided to make Cruiser Command a much better game by sharing their ideas and help fight those pesky bugs!!!

 

[masterofra]

The cruiser tend to turn suddenly without the captaing controlling it.

I suspect this occurs when the cruiser takes damage, and the automatic ai makes it evade. If you test with you only, and you shoot at the uncontrolled ship, it seems to turn away. If this is the case, you would need fix the "can run"
option for the unit.

oh, and the tooltip for constructing pirana missiles is wrong, i think it says 10 omnite, but only uses 5

For the laser and missile dummys, can you set their selection size to -1 please? it would make it so that their health bars wouldnt show up, which is annoying. or at least reduce to .1

Also, the cruiser speed seems to go as low as like 1-3 when you set it to the minimum. this isnt much of a problem gamewise, but in the multiboard, this doesnt seem right.

 

[callex]

Whoopse, I left that turret console in by accident after testing something. Can't fix it just yet, but I'll clear it up and release a fixed version tommorow or something!

 

[Levithan]

Ill test later, if i can be bothered to quit Dragon Age Origins. YAY FOR bioware.

 

[callex]

Haha yea, thats why I tried to get this version released quickly - my copy arrived this morning

EDIT: Ok, the quickfix is done. I removed the useless turret console, and fixed the cruiser turning bug. It was trigger-related; the battlecruiser in space isnt actually a unit with 'free will' - it's just a dummy. Movement and turning are done using points and angle maths ^^.

I've found the cause of the lagg with fires too btw. It's because of the space-fire effects on the cruiser contantly trying to synchronise with the model's movement. I could possibly fix it with attachment points instead of dummy units - I'll need to do some experimenting though.

EDIT EDIT: Good news! With a little tweaking in the model editor, I've managed to make a null model with attachments for the hardpoints. This means I can remove most, if not all of the fire lagg and improve map performance overall.

 

[DiMiX]

Haha yea, thats why I tried to get this version released quickly - my copy arrived this morning

EDIT: Ok, the quickfix is done. I removed the useless turret console, and fixed the cruiser turning bug. It was trigger-related; the battlecruiser in space isnt actually a unit with 'free will' - it's just a dummy. Movement and turning are done using points and angle maths ^^.

I've found the cause of the lagg with fires too btw. It's because of the space-fire effects on the cruiser contantly trying to synchronise with the model's movement. I could possibly fix it with attachment points instead of dummy units - I'll need to do some experimenting though.

EDIT EDIT: Good news! With a little tweaking in the model editor, I've managed to make a null model with attachments for the hardpoints. This means I can remove most, if not all of the fire lagg and improve map performance overall.

Hurray ! The self turning cruiser and the fire lag (that ruined 3 of my games last night) are all gone !!!

Oh, i grabbed DaO too, but still haven't got time to try it out... thought being Bioware it's probably top notch... hope it doesnt capture your soul

P.S. I really like the rebalancing you've done, the whole game is much more satisfying now, especially reducing vehicle HP and reducing starting resources. This balanced the gameplay of the Pilots, however consider making the fighter's radar ping ability upgradeable, to make them less efective miner hunters, since the miner now only has 2000hp. Then i think you'd have made the vehicles perfect for a looong while.