Is it Possible to Turn Attachment into Item with trigger

[Hantoo]

I Have an Idea, If I make a model, Like Item Model, with Glow and Spinning Animation, replace the Actual Item with Attachment Point
(One on the Center, And One Slightly off so that Weapon Attachment can look like on the center)

And then Attach the Attachment (Sword, Shield, Armor) on it, Will it work? I think it will work on Units, but Im not sure about Item, I feel like it is possible to done with Jass, (Or Do I need a Dummy unit to show to effect Instead? :\)
I don't know if Attachment works on Item or not

By doing this, I think maybe we will only need attachment model and can turn most of the attachment into Item with just 1 base model

Im really not sure where to Post this anyway, It's Like in between Trigger, and modeling


Also, Another Idea, If I make a Missile Spinning with the same idea (Attachment And Stuff) and Use Dummy as Projectile, now you can Throw any weapon, I think :O

Is all these Retarded Idea?

 

[Wietlol]

Attached models (as far as I know) do not use animations except birth, stand and death.
When you add them, they play the birth animation and loop the stand animation. And when you remove it by destroying the special effect, it plays the death animation and vanishes into oblivion when it ends.

What you can do is make an ability based of sphere (remove the missile and missile speed) and add that ability to the item.
When the item is in the inventory, the hero now has the attachment that is placed on sphere. You can add any model to it.

 

[Hantoo]

Attached models (as far as I know) do not use animations except birth, stand and death.
When you add them, they play the birth animation and loop the stand animation. And when you remove it by destroying the special effect, it plays the death animation and vanishes into oblivion when it ends.

What I mean Here, Is Attach A attachment Model that meant to be attach at Villager on a Blank Rotating Shining Model (Item), So you can turn any attachment into Fancy Item (Which Only Need Stand Animation :O)

Imagine,
For Example
you take this Model, Remove the Frozen Shield, Add an Attachment, and then you attach This Into the model that we just edited, whala? But I don't know is it possible to attach an attachment on item :O

 

[Wietlol]

Models are pretty fcked up in WC3 I think.
Models practically consist of 3 things:
1. The Bone (skeleton)
2. The Model
3. The Texture

The Bone has attachment points, animations, collision, etc.
The Bone is practically the behavior of the object.

The Model is the shape of the object.
Every Bone has a Model that can be attached to it.
The Model follows the attachment points of the bone completely.
The Model itself has no animations.

The Texture is a picture that is displayed on the outside of the model.
Every Model has a Texture.
Textures are made to fit with a model.

Skins in games ussually use a different model and texture but always the same bone.
Multiple different units (footman, grunt, bandit, etc) can use the same bone (same behavior/animations) but different models and textures.

The problem is that the Bone and Model are the same thing in WC3.
That is why they are actually completely broken and unusable.
They are put in a .mdl/.mdx file that imports textures.
When you want to use the same bone on a different model, you have to copy and paste it over the .mdl file.
The second problem is that you are not able to change anthing at all in-game.
The only thing that can do that are destructibles because they have a replaceable texture file. The model however cannot be changed.

 

[venger07]

What I mean Here, Is Attach A attachment Model that meant to be attach at Villager on a Blank Rotating Shining Model (Item), So you can turn any attachment into Fancy Item (Which Only Need Stand Animation :O)

Imagine,
For Example
you take this Model, Remove the Frozen Shield, Add an Attachment, and then you attach This Into the model that we just edited, whala? But I don't know is it possible to attach an attachment on item :O

I don't think that you can attach an attachment on an item.. because there's no such actions..

 

[Hantoo]

I don't think that you can attach an attachment on an item.. because there's no such actions..

How about using dummy? I never played with item in world editor before, not sure if it works

 

[Wietlol]

O lol, now I understand what you mean.

Yes you cannot attach models to an item.
However, you can make a unit that would always be in the item's location and add a model to that one.

 

[Hantoo]

Im not sure, like if i pick the item, how should i make it react or something

Maybe i will try trial and error for a whole day for this when i have time, hope i can come up some sort of useful system

 

[Xonok]

Actually at least in theory, attachments can be added to any kind of widgets. The function takes a widget, so it will work on items unless there's a specific exception of some kind.

 

[Hantoo]

Actually at least in theory, attachments can be added to any kind of widgets. The function takes a widget, so it will work on items unless there's a specific exception of some kind.

So i can attach it directly to item? What is widget btw?

 

[Wietlol]

A widget is an object with health.
(Unit, Item, Destructable)

 

[Xonok]

You should be able to attach to a widget directly. I've not tried if it works, but don't really see why it wouldn't.

 

[Hantoo]

You should be able to attach to a widget directly. I've not tried if it works, but don't really see why it wouldn't.

Now, The Problem is, How?

 

[Wietlol]

Well... it somehow doesn't work.
I tried with a unit model as item model (so I definately have attachment points)
I displayed the name of the item (so I have got the right item value)
I also attached the same model on the same point on a unit next to it (so I have the proper point and model)

The unit has the attachment but the item does not.

 

[Xonok]

In that case the next option is having an unclickable dummy unit with the attachment model and then under that unit a clickable, but invisible item. When the item is picked up, remove or hide the dummy.

 

[Wietlol]

However, you can make a unit that would always be in the item's location and add a model to that one.

I thought I mentioned that already

But yea that is basically how all of my special effects work.

 

[gorillabull]

no you cant add attachments to item models through the editor there is no native that allows you to.

Also, Another Idea, If I make a Missile Spinning with the same idea (Attachment And Stuff) and Use Dummy as Projectile, now you can Throw any weapon, I think :O

yes this is the basis for a missile system .

 

[Xonok]

no you cant add attachments to item models through the editor there is no native that allows you to.

native AddSpecialEffectTarget takes string modelName, widget targetWidget, string attachPointName returns effect

This is the native that should do it, but for some reason doesn't. Items are widgets though, so it's some kind of undocumented exception.

 

[FunkyDude44]

Someone actually once made the model he's describing. It was called "ItemGlow" or something similar to that. It had an attachment point on an animated area that would spin, so that any attachment could be turned into an item. I came across this thread trying to find it myself. Does anyone remember this model/know where to find it?

 

[Hantoo]

Someone actually once made the model he's describing. It was called "ItemGlow" or something similar to that. It had an attachment point on an animated area that would spin, so that any attachment could be turned into an item. I came across this thread trying to find it myself. Does anyone remember this model/know where to find it?

I have it, will send you later, the problem is the trigger part, need a system to make it work, anyone wanna give it a try?

 

[FunkyDude44]

I have it, will send you later, the problem is the trigger part, need a system to make it work, anyone wanna give it a try?

I'd love to give it a shot. Triggerwork happens to be a specialty of mine.

 

[Hantoo]

Ahh nice
Good luck

 

[FunkyDude44]

Just PM me the model when you find it. I'll see what I can do with it.

 

[Hantoo]

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