ASF_Spellpack

[Moderator]

09:18, 15th Jun 2010
Hanky:
I found some points that should be improved:
- never use waits like in Meteor Storm even if it's gui
- you could improve the way you are indexing
- instead of making an if-then-else for every level of an ability use a formula
- the remove all units from CF_Group function in the Chaotic Field trigger is pretty senseless
- Retaliation isn't MUI/MPI
- you got leaks in the trigger Shining Barrier

That's all I found for now. When you have fixed those points message me or one of the other spell moderators.

 

[Aspard]

And sorry for such a bad try in making wonderful screenshots, but I don't have better

As always, creator starts the thread for discussions ^^

 

[Anachron]

GUI?

Can you post the triggers here aswell, please?
Would like to check online.

Oh and one thing... You can see the placement of the arrows in the arrow storm screenshot, as one is looking downward and not yet faced right. To prevent create with the correct angle.

 

[Aspard]

For the holy gods, don't ask me to post the triggers, I have RUSSIAN! WE, so each line for me is written in russian! After posting it here, it looks like #$#&*@$*)(#@$ etc... So I have to translate every line myself >< I can easily work with english version, but I don't have one and dunno where to get it.

And for arrow - I saw that, but I dunno why this happens, cause I set the facing angle right: from the position of the triggering unit to the position of the target point of ability being cast... Will experiment with it, maybe setting it the facing angle of the triggering unit can help. =\

EDIT: The problem isn't in the dummy unit (tryed both dummy.mdx and no model at all), neither in the trigger, cause even with making it ((Facing Angle of the (Triggering Unit)) - 90) it still works the same way.
Can it be caused by the usage of the "Attack Ground" (ballista, catapult etc) command? Maybe during it the missile model is spawned with facing angle of -90?

EDIT2: Updated it anyway, made the trigger with this spell more efficient.

 

[StaberFire]

That particular arrow model always starts out slanted for a split second, you can see that when viewing it in WE.

 

[Godslayer]

ye its a bug of the arrow model... u cant change that

to prevent that, u can only use a different arrow model

 

[Aspard]

I got this from the first time, definetily.
Thanks for help, now fixed it and reuploaded. Don't pay attention to the screeny

What about spells themselves? =\

 

[baassee]

phantomer sounds like my request

I'll check it out

 

[Godslayer]

lol ur arrow hail does no dmg... i dont know how u managa to dont recognize that...

the trigger is so chaotic, that i cant see thru it, but i think its because u activate the "arrow valley loop" trigger before defining the regions.

what follows is, that no unit is ever maimed by the spell.

also from what i could see in the focus shot trigger: u create a dummy unit to save a point? why dont u just save the point as a variable?

didnt look @ all the other triggers, but i can say there is so much stuff in there wich is not needet... and im not talking of all the unneedet variables everyone making spells seems to be creating to make the spell easyier to modify (wich in my mind only makes the spells more complicated and harder to understand cause of all the strange variable names)

 

[hell gate]

dl JNGPS. it creates a UI with english triggering

 

[baassee]

Checked out this one first thoght it's my request?

First I noticed, initial lagg aka first cast lagg, you really need to preload the stuff.
The arrow travels abit to fast for my taste but changeable ofc but I would reduce it.
Make more variables so you dont have to change it in the loop, can be disturbing, such as damage speed etc.
I really like the mentioning of selection of the hero in the loop good job.
Change casting unit to triggering unit, that's basic stuff ya know

Make the hero invurnable so it cant die while hidden.
Stopping the heros action would be nice to like just call order stop

I actually helped you with this one about the "one hit only" group HAHA

Do not use integer A I'm sry to mention this so harschly but use my advice and dont
Skip casting unit use triggering.
Else as I commented in the other upload with this I really like it and it's very good.

will start like this, cause got some problems to solve now, will edit this in a new post when I got the time, keep it up asp

 

[Aspard]

First: The Arrow Volley DOES damage, don't disinform me and other community members. If you can't level it up to level 4 and try again - that's your problem. On the first level the damage is very low, about 20 per arrow, if I'm not mistaken, and each arrow makes damage only to units in 50 AoE! (Look at this number, !50!, e.g. Melee Attack range is 100!)

Second: And thanks for that variable, dunno why I've used it =\ Seems like I was afraid of leaking. Removed now. Updated!

And to baassee,
I was very fast trying to keep everything done, that forgot to change minor stuff of mine being a total novice.

EDIT: Updated again, fixed ALL the (Casting Unit)'s + Integer A in the Brutal Torment. Removed all of the unused variables from the editor.
EDIT2: And I have JNGP (Isn't JNGP's' the same?) Can somebody explain me how to make my triggers become english?

EDIT3: Made Phantomer much more customizable ;P

 

[Anachron]

What the fuck? Why are spellpacks downloaded about 50th times the first day, and important systems like my AoS Move System just the same time in 4 days? Omg...

Where do we have to put all that spellpacks into? xD

Imho, we need more serious systems that allows us to quickly generate maps with using alot of systems, not spellpacks for any ultra lame 0815 map. Sorry but 3 spellpacks in a row <.<

 

[Aspard]

I don't see any usage for the people making campaign, RPG or melee map of AoS Move System, but I see the usage of spells for them. Got it? The usage for the "specified" systems is much lower, cause it's just 1/10 of the total maps using them, but spells - everywhere. Including your AoS.

 

[Godslayer]

the arrow hail does NO DMG i did lvl it up to lvl 4 ANd i cast it 20 times on that ogres to be shure, and it did NEVER do dmg and NEVER maim one of em, the only thing was, that they were runnng arround somewhere, trying to attack the dummyunit i think, but im not sure.

if the ogres are not magic immune, the spell does not work correctly

Update: tested it at the trolls, and it did maim sometimes, but it did no dmg again.
also one time there were 10 units in the aoe and it started laggin very hard, for about 3 seconds.

 

[Aspard]

I still insist on that it works, try harder
Killed trolls at the beggining with about 10 shots of spell. Sometimes they start to run in random direction cause take damage from unknown (or invulnerable) source, e.g. dummy unit. The damage is really small, you can just miss it at the beggining, try to attack w/o using prime attack, try this 5-6 times at level one, then check the units, their HP will be decreased by about ~50-60.

EDIT: And there was not Maim effect cause I just forgot to add an effect to the spell.
The armor was reduced, but there was no special effect or icon on it. Going to change and update it.

EDIT2: Wrong again. It just did 10 additional damage. But now works correctly.

 

[Shdow89]

To Godslayer:
- tested the arrow it deals damage, only it's AOE is very low.
- tested the volley it also deals damage, but it is kinda low.

Now, as far as I can see the spells are good, and I like their effects .
Didn't go through coding much, but I noticed that Fight fire with Fire, pulls corpses when knocking back. I guess you didn't did the Group Filter right .
All in all i really like this and I'm giving it 5/5.

 

[Aspard]

Thanks a lot for finding this mistake!

Updated.

 

[Deuterium]

Good work there =)

 

[Godslayer]

ok i set the dmg of arrow volley to 1000 for testing, and it worked, but you need to increase the radius of units gettin damaged, because with that 50 radius u hit only half of the units in the aoe, and that only 1 time... wich means you deal 35 dmg to some...

with an aoe of 75 that spell would be much better

 

[Aspard]

There are 20+4xLevel arrows, why do you exclude the situation when they all are shooted at one place?

This is a part of the spell, all it'll be a bit imbalanced for melee maps. But I'll create a variable giving a chance to change it. Thanks for that.

 

[Godslayer]

np...
its strange, you are taking all the critique i´m giving here, like i was wanting to help you, wich i am not XD

anyway, good that you improve this map and take my harsh critique so well

 

[Aspard]

I'd prefer taking any critique as an advice rather than separating good critique from harsh - I won't argue with anybody and get really useful advices

Also I think that's the matter of tolerance and wisdom

 

[hell gate]

JNGPS = Jass New Gen Pack Special (by dark dragon) and if you extract it, it will crate a UI. i tryed it and if opened the normal we it also shows me english triggers

 

[Deuterium]

Yeah I think that would change the German UI you have and make it english.
(I'm right eh? German? )

 

[Aspard]

Yeah I think that would change the German UI you have and make it english.
(I'm right eh? German? )

Whom do you ask?

 

[Deuterium]

off-topic:

Whom do you ask?

You

 

[Aspard]

Then, you are wrong, I'm russian

 

[Deuterium]

Oh... well now I know

 

[Ghost765]

is meteor storm not mpi/mui? it has waits.

 

[Aspard]

It IS MUI, it's made with locals
Try yourself

 

[Ghost765]

you should make it so that the arrow volley caster stands still for the duration of the spell, currently he/she can just cast it, and run away while arrows fly from the dummy units.

 

[Deuterium]

hahaha yeah maybe you'd either like to Pause or stun the caster

 

[Aspard]

Sylvanas animation just a bit shorter than the spell duration, so for me this looks okay, but I'll look at it as soon as will decide to update the spellpack.

 

[eleljrk]

Sorry for beeing an lazy.. a**h**e, but how many levels is it on the spells? *beg for 5*

• Spell Group
• Spell Group - Pick all Spells in (This Spell Pack)
  • Loop
    • If (Levels of Spells (Picked Spells) equal to 5
      • Then
        • Give player (Owner of this spell pack) reputation (reputation + 1)
      • Else
        • Fu*k player (Owner of this spell pack)

 

[Aspard]

All of the spells are multi-leveld which means you can change everything easily by just increasing the number of possible levels of the spell (e.g. DamageVariable = (50 x LevelOfAbility) - make as many levels, as you want ) or you should change the numbers directly in the object editor (as for impale or some AoE damage)

And...

• Fu*k player (Owned by this spellpack)

Don't you think, that it's a bit irritating for smb to be fuc*ed twice?
(I mean, maybe you meant "OwneR"? )

 

[eleljrk]

All of the spells are multi-leveld which means you can change everything easily by just increasing the number of possible levels of the spell (e.g. DamageVariable = (50 x LevelOfAbility) - make as many levels, as you want ) or you should change the numbers directly in the object editor (as for impale or some AoE damage)

And...

• Fu*k player (Owned by this spellpack)

Don't you think, that it's a bit irritating for smb to be fuc*ed twice?
(I mean, maybe you meant "OwneR"? )

Shh..

And ok, ill see how it works, later..

EDIT:
Now its later.. Ehh..
Dont looks like i need this, sorry.

Else, i found a bug..
Look the Image, its the spell for Gravelord where he moves thing..

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

use SetUnitX/SetUnitY to prevent any collisions that may happen b/c CreateUnit takes in accout the units collision. looks really cool from screenshot )

 

[Aspard]

Else, i found a bug..
Look the Image, its the spell for Gravelord where he moves thing..

Hmm... I'm not sure this is possible to get if the point pathable or unpathable w/o using a custom script which I dunno, but I'll look into that ><

use SetUnitX/SetUnitY to prevent any collisions that may happen b/c CreateUnit takes in accout the units collision. looks really cool from screenshot )

And how can I then create a unit at this point? Custom script again?

 

[Ghost765]

i still think that u should make the unit casting arrow volley either be channelling it, or be paused of some sorts.

 

[Aspard]

I tryed making him paused yesterday, but it looked a bit ugly
Channeling won't be real anyway, so this will lead only to pain with the third trigger.

 

[Ghost765]

i just REALLLY REALLY need the casting unit to stand still while he/she/it is firing.

 

[Aspard]

You don't even know how ugly it looks ><
Place this to lines into the code:

1) Just in settings, somewher after the Triggering Unit is set into variable:

• Unit - Pause (AV_Owner[AV_Index[2]])

2) And then in the loop trigger at the very and, but before this line:

• Set AV_Index[1] = (AV_Index[1] - 1)

Put this:

• Unit - Continue (AV_Owner[AV_Index[3]])

That's all needed to pause the unit

 

[Ghost765]

now, does it still play some sort of animation when paused? to be more precise, here's the situation:
You've probably seen Anarchianbedlam's Kronus Tank model in the model section, and it has both a flamethrower and a machinegun. Im using cluster missiles for the flamethrower, and im using this for the machinegun. The machinegun uses spell channel or something like that, and it needs to play whenever it casts...

 

[Aspard]

How do you think it is possible to make something paused move in WE?
I have only the idea of rooting the hero for some period of time, but he will still be able to rotate... Any ideas?

 

[Ghost765]

well once again, i was thinking about making the ability channeling, sort of like rain of fire.

 

[Aspard]

So, make it, what's the problem? Just change the core ability.

 

[Ghost765]

well...what should i base the ability off of? Channel?

 

[Aspard]

Interesting question... What about Cluster Rockets? Isn't it channeling at high levels?
The problem here goes with "AoE circle" during targeting the casting location, I can't think off of a better dummy spell, than this.