Warcraft: A New Dawn

[Don-Para-]

Germanic

lol.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

I'm speechless p_p
Utterly speechless

 

[Taylor Mouse]

Cool right, and yes it is Dutch.


T.

 

[SasuhKun]

English is NOT my native language, ok? I though you guys knew that. Besides, the stupid english grammar corrector fails me at times. So, were where we?

 

[Deleted member 152855]

Hello everyone.
I must admit, I havn't read the whole 160+ pages, but I really hope this project still runs.

Because I am really interested in this mod see the light of day.

I would like to help with what little I have to offer.
I have many ideas about a "real" follow-up to Warcraft 3 since WoW TOTALLY MESSED everything up.
Seriously: Thrall's "New" Horde together with the Forsaken, the Blood Elves AND Orc Warlocks?! WTF?
They tried so desperatly to put everything in two factions, that they just messed it up.

(Besides, I am "germanic" )

 

[Turminator8]

thanks for your enthusiasm for this project!

by all means leave your ideas in this thread

 

[SasuhKun]

Stop messing my errors please ç-ç

Ideas... Ideas... Ideas... I wonder if there's anything like a Tauren Samurai on Tauren society. Or a Crusader. Well, I mean... Like the Protoss's Crusaders?

 

[Deleted member 152855]

Okay then.

I uploaded my draft on WC4.

Please be kind as this is several years old now.

I put an unfinished story up too, but this was only a first draft I wrote a year ago.
I think the wording needs a big overhaul - as I said, first draft and I am german, so no native speaker.

But I like to write stories and might help.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Jesus i've been away from this so long. I can only come back effectively once i have skype, so hold on guys.

 

[Dentothor]

what does it even say?

 

[Turminator8]

what does it even say?

what does what say?

 

[Dentothor]

what does what say?

the magazine thing :/

 

[Stanakin]

It says this, more or less:

A new Warcraft with the graphics of StarCraft II, many fans dream of it, but sometimes it doesn't stop with dreams. The WLOTD community is working on WarCraft: Legacy of the Damned, a total conversion that will convert Starcraft II to Warcraft. It's an extraordinairily ambitious project because all 3d-models and terrain types have to be replaced, and after that work has to start on two campaigns (orcs and humans), each of which will contain ten missions. Totally insane or achievable? In any case, the WLOTD community is continually growing and the 3d-models of orc warriors and dwarven rifleman make one dream of a significally (polished?) version of Warcraft III.

 

[SasuhKun]

Hopefully, achievable.

 

[Bugz]

This sounds very good, i hope i get to try this out one day

 

[Statharas]

One: Have you guys thought of focusing on the history of a great WoW NPC as a sub-campaign? Maybe as a FPS or something.

Also, you didn't even bother making normals for those wow models, did you?

Now i paid attention to the terrain. And i was like wadafackydidhedodat.

 

[Turminator8]

One: Have you guys thought of focusing on the history of a great WoW NPC as a sub-campaign?

not a WoW npc, but a certain piece of side-lore from WoW yes.

Maybe as a FPS or something.

you're joking right?

Also, you didn't even bother making normals for those wow models, did you?

normals? what do you mean? I don't know cause I didn't export the unit models.

Now i paid attention to the terrain. And i was like wadafackydidhedodat.

lol is that good or bad?

 

[Statharas]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Sir_Zeliek This guy is awesome enough for an RPG of his own.

An FPS could be lots of stuff, and a TPS would also be kewl. Imagine slashing through your enemies...

Normals control texture depth. Those Orange-ish maps.

Uh, take the word apart....

 

[Turminator8]

I'm going to regret feeding the troll but... explain your comment of "wada fack why did he do dat"

 

[Statharas]

I mean, at some points you made cliffs and decreased their Height... and that's just an example.

 

[SasuhKun]

I know you all miss me, so I'm just luckily passing around here to tell the terrible news: my PC exploded. Pretty much, at least. I should be back soon though. Keep up the good work!

 

[Turminator8]

Damn dude I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you get a new one soon.

 

[SasuhKun]

And here I am, at my father's PC, for a short period of time. Thank you for your wish, I think I will be able to fix the problem in the next two weeks. While that, think of something that I could give feedback for

 

[Turminator8]

Also, you didn't even bother making normals did you?

Do you even know how to make normals for textures in Sc2?

 

[Statharas]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/sc2-resources-675/anathema-benedict-199324/
And yeah, Ralle's DDS to JPG converter sucks.


Still, OVERKEEL...

 

[Bugz]

Statharas is the one that made most ressource's in sc2 for hive..

 

[Turminator8]

interesting.. and what program did you use?

edit: I didn't realize 4 is "most" but yes you're right I could have just looked at the resources and found my answer out for myself.

 

[Statharas]

That is a secret, infidel.

 

[tagg1080]

Is this still alive ?

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yes.

 

[Bugz]

moddb and your website doesnt work

 

[The World Is Flat]

Works for me.

 

[Bugz]

Moddb

http://www.wclotd.com/

They say error?

 

[Turminator8]

We've pretty much left the Hive as it's Sc2 forums are all but dead and aren't very helpful anyway. Look us up on Sc2 mapster to see the real project. (We're no longer Legacy of the Damned either, we changed names and everything).

 

[Bugz]

but i loved that picture

 

[Turminator8]

heh, which one?

edit: here's the new website http://www.warcraftanewdawn.com/

 

[Bugz]

Looks so neat , who is making your website?

 

[Turminator8]

Both Grey and I made the website, TWIF is currently in the process of getting us a Vbulletin for our new forums and we should be up and running soon. Currently we hit a snag as our main Data guy, and organizer have had computer problems.

 

[Bugz]

Both Grey and I made the website, TWIF is currently in the process of getting us a Vbulletin for our new forums and we should be up and running soon. Currently we hit a snag as our main Data guy, and organizer have had computer problems.

Your website is slow, the start page is able to scroll down, can be fixed trough Css i think. Basicly its very slow site

 

[Turminator8]

hmm dunno what to tell ya, it's runin fine for me and I haven't gotten any complaints about that.

As for the scrolling down part, we can't fix that unfortunately. It's part of the website builder we used.

 

[rcshaggy]

So anything new happening yet?

 

[Turminator8]

Well, we've got the Orc tech tree 90% complete, still working on the custom UI. We have a large library of WoW models, so we pretty much can just make maps with those dependencies exactly like you can with the current Sc2 Libraries. Ground textures are being a huge pain in the ass and hopefully soon we'll have some custom structures. Within a day or two I'll post our current melee orc tech tree and include our in depth item/hero system.

 

[Rui]

I am giving negative reputation if you spam the thread again.

Sad to hear that you are not using the Hive anymore. I really don't like to see people dividing further instead of uniting, that's my philosophy for most maps, but maybe your mod has the dimensions to compensate.
Please at least keep the thread updated.
~Thread cleaned

 

[Grey Nightmare]

^

And Rui, spam? Really? Where?

He just posted an update and who the doosh said we aren't using the Hive? It's just the lack of community input and/or interest has forced us to several other sites in search of the support and feedback such an ambitious project requires.

 

[Dr Super Good]

How you solving the armor system? Are you trying to immitate the mechanics WC3 used or you going for an adapeted SC2 mechanic? Same with attack types.

I discovered a useful mechanic of catalogs with triggers.
1. You can itterate through all members of a specific cataloge.
2. You can get the parent member of a specific member.

Combining these would, in theory, allow you to use triggers to enhance all effects that extend a certain member. In the case of a realistic WC3 damage system, you could make attack types by simply getting a damage member to extend a parent member. As the tooltips for all armor of a certain type are the same, you could use the very localization path of the armor on the unit as an armor type identifier. By combining these 2, you could maybe make a system emulating many different armor types and applying a damage correction quanity to compensate bonuses or penalties that an attack should do to an armor type.

The only problem would occur if you try and patch a member by extending itself (such as editing data from a dependant mod) as this obscures the parent in a permanent way (reports itself as its own parent).

 

[Turminator8]

interesting.. and then have empty behaviors to display them as if their armor is actually apart of the character?

edit: unless your saying we display damage/armor values entirely via triggers

 

[Dr Super Good]

How to store an armor value is still something I have not figured out. You do not seem to be able to get the magnitude of custom attributes nor the quantity of normal armor using script directly. For armor type you can just use the normal armor icon each unit type is given. Additionally you could just have a standard saying used for all damage types.

Remember that the data editor stores all text as localized text at a certain path. Thus you can use the same text for multiple data elements by simply using the same localization path.

What is good about a localization path is that it is a string (only the localized text they point to is text) and that it is invisible to clients during gameplay (unless localization fails in which case it shows the paths). Using the catalogue natives you can read this localization path for a piece of data to get a string. This string can then, in theory, be passed directly into something like a data table to get a value you attach to it using script at map initialization.

Thus from something like the armor description on a unit, you could map it to a set of tables for that kind of armor prety efficiently. Damage types could be detected through hyrachy at map initialization automatically and mapped to the appropaite damage response trigger on an effect by effect baisis.

This might solve attack and armor types, but still does not solve armor reduction.

In WC3 I know that types were calculated after armor reduction. Additionally armor could never reduce damage below 1 (although type could than multiply that 1 to be less).

Thus one would need quite a bit of maths.
1. test if unit is applicable to armor reduction, if so then calculate intended damage.
2. get type multiplyer
3. Reheal or damage the unit in a non registering way (no event handlers fire) to get the correct damage for the mechanic (remember that some damage would already have been done by the effect).

 

[Turminator8]

yet, if it reheals to get the "correct" damage, but the amount that's wrong kills the unit, then it wont work. So that could be a problem.

 

[Statharas]

Or just use the Wc3 mechanic, with a few adjustments here and there...

 

[The World Is Flat]

^ Seriously Stathis.

Anyway, some advertising going out soon.