Infernal Fountains 2.0.1

[Moderator]

23:08, 15th Nov 2014
StoPCampinGn00b: Map set to await update/needs fix, see my short review in a post below.

10th Dec 2014

[TD]

Moderator: StoPCampinGn00b version 8 Infernal Fountains by Mattnj REVIEW Infernal Fountains is an altered melee map which players must choose from the four default races but with a custom hero, multiple custom units, and their upgrades added on to each respective race. It fully functions as a resource heavy and item drop generous melee map, but it even without the races, the map would not be recommended for competitive melee play. See below for a more detailed explanation regarding the map's quality.​ FEEDBACK Gameplay: The map heavily favors "basing" up, as it was designed for a great amount of resources to be put in starting areas. There is a shortage of lumber in the first starting area, but expanding should do the trick. The map isn't mirrored through 1/4ths of all of the map, but it is however, symmetrically balanced with resources, pathways, passive buildings in same distance of starting. Creep camps, especially higher ones, give away much higher leveled items then what blizzard melee maps do, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. The races itself aren't too special, but players may just be satisfied enough to have a few extra abilities and stats from customized units to be added on to their default races. I did not test in the least if they are balanced stat wise, but, I do know each race has a working techtree and profound tool-tips for units and upgrades. ​ Visuals: The terrain and doodad placement were sub-par enough for me to deem it as acceptable. It's jagged in some areas, but it isn't too empty. ​ Miscellaneous: The description of your map could be a bit more informative. ​ VERDICT Map approved with a 3/5 rating. ​ FAQ [COLOR=white Map Making Related [COLOR=white [COLOR=white ] How can I get my map approved? Learn here. Where can I get world editor assistance and find tutorials? Here. Forum Related[/COLOR]]How do I navigate the Hive Workshop? Learn here. What does reputation mean at the bottom of my profile? Learn here. Where can I discuss a problem only with the staff and/or higher administrators? Here. [/COLOR]

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[MattNJ]

I added noise to the terrain. I hope you guys like my map so far

 

[MattNJ]

I updated the units stats and sounds in V3. The map is Altered Melee and you select your own race. There are random start locations too. Please tell me any things I need to improve so this map can be approved.

 

[Deleted member 238589]

You used "Noise" tool way, way too much. You should fix that.

 

[Vinz]

A little smooth can help. Just that the height is visible is okay.

 

[MattNJ]

i smoothed out the map a bit. Tell me if you guys want it smoother.

 

[Vinz]

In the description, there are many fields with "xxxxx". I suggest the Credits section be removed (since you did not seem to use Imported Material), and have the Special Thanks thank people who helped creating the map, if any.

The changelog too, it features many versions that contain the same. I suggest they be edited out.

 

[MattNJ]

In the description, there are many fields with "xxxxx". I suggest the Credits section be removed (since you did not seem to use Imported Material), and have the Special Thanks thank people who helped creating the map, if any.

The changelog too, it features many versions that contain the same. I suggest they be edited out.

All edited out.

 

[MattNJ]

Added some more noise to the player bases.

 

[MattNJ]

Is this map ready to be approved, or does it need improvements?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

This map does need improvements. I will not reject this, but I ask for you to improve it. Map set to await update / needs fix.

Okay, there are three major problems with this map.

1. This doesn't make sense for new comers. Your descriptions of buildings don't match the units produced at all. Naga barracks show orc description, everything when playing orc + the custom races show orc descriptions. Adding on to that, you must have a quest log. It can be made via GUI.
2. The custom content is poorly made. Coatle costs 2 food and have around 50 DMG? That is extremely OP. Some units have abilities, some don't. When you said you choose your own race, you didn't execute the right way. Making orc have 3 builders for different races causes many problems, such as having a huge set of units and heroes. Having a huge set of units and heroes causes you to have so much more things to counter the enemy.
3. The map isn't suitable in regular melee in the first place. There should be a variety of creeps, green, orange, and red. They should drop reasonable items for there levels. Green camps are usually never guarding gold mines, orange are, and red camps are usually very few on maps.

Good points
1. You have the symmetry down. The map is balanced layout wise with a nice set of passive buildings.
2. The terrain is acceptable, it's slightly below average.

Sorry for the long wait for a moderator comment, no one is active except me (and I'm the new moderator). What I suggest is that you find altered melee tutorials or ask Wa666r and Ujimasa Hojo for guidance. They have a lot of approved altered melee maps, 3-5 stars.

 

[MattNJ]

This map does need improvements. I will not reject this, but I ask for you to improve it. Map set to await update / needs fix.

Okay, there are three major problems with this map.

1. This doesn't make sense for new comers. Your descriptions of buildings don't match the units produced at all. Naga barracks show orc description, everything when playing orc + the custom races show orc descriptions. Adding on to that, you must have a quest log. It can be made via GUI.
2. The custom content is poorly made. Coatle costs 2 food and have around 50 DMG? That is extremely OP. Some units have abilities, some don't. When you said you choose your own race, you didn't execute the right way. Making orc have 3 builders for different races causes many problems, such as having a huge set of units and heroes. Having a huge set of units and heroes causes you to have so much more things to counter the enemy.
3. The map isn't suitable in regular melee in the first place. There should be a variety of creeps, green, orange, and red. They should drop reasonable items for there levels. Green camps are usually never guarding gold mines, orange are, and red camps are usually very few on maps.

Good points
1. You have the symmetry down. The map is balanced layout wise with a nice set of passive buildings.
2. The terrain is acceptable, it's slightly below average.

Sorry for the long wait for a moderator comment, no one is active except me (and I'm the new moderator). What I suggest is that you find altered melee tutorials or ask Wa666r and Ujimasa Hojo for guidance. They have a lot of approved altered melee maps, 3-5 stars.

I will resolve these problems but it will take quite some time. Thanks.

 

[MattNJ]

Half way through the improvements. Looking good so far!

 

[Vinz]

2. The custom content is poorly made. Coatle costs 2 food and have around 50 DMG?

It's not made, but imbalanced from base Blizzard stats.

It does need balance though. The Naga food costs made them require less coral beds that take base space but train a sizeable army.

 

[MattNJ]

About 65-75% done with the base race customization. I still have to work on the custom races though. Busy with other things at the moment but I am finding the time here and there! Sorry for the wait!

 

[MattNJ]

About 80-90% done with the Undead, Human, Orc, and Night Elf races so far.

 

[MattNJ]

I am finished. Please tell me if I need to make any new improvements.

In the future I may add custom races to make it all the more interesting.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

short review!

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Moderator: StoPCampinGn00b version 8 Infernal Fountains by Mattnj REVIEW Infernal Fountains is an altered melee map which players must choose from the four default races but with a custom hero, multiple custom units, and their upgrades added on to each respective race. It fully functions as a resource heavy and item drop generous melee map, but it even without the races, the map would not be recommended for competitive melee play. See below for a more detailed explanation regarding the map's quality.​ FEEDBACK Gameplay: The map heavily favors "basing" up, as it was designed for a great amount of resources to be put in starting areas. There is a shortage of lumber in the first starting area, but expanding should do the trick. The map isn't mirrored through 1/4ths of all of the map, but it is however, symmetrically balanced with resources, pathways, passive buildings in same distance of starting. Creep camps, especially higher ones, give away much higher leveled items then what blizzard melee maps do, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. The races itself aren't too special, but players may just be satisfied enough to have a few extra abilities and stats from customized units to be added on to their default races. I did not test in the least if they are balanced stat wise, but, I do know each race has a working techtree and profound tool-tips for units and upgrades. ​ Visuals: The terrain and doodad placement were sub-par enough for me to deem it as acceptable. It's jagged in some areas, but it isn't too empty. ​ Miscellaneous: The description of your map could be a bit more informative. ​ VERDICT Map approved with a 3/5 rating. ​ FAQ Map Making Related Forum Related How can I get my map approved? Learn here. Where can I get world editor assistance and find tutorials? Here. How do I navigate the Hive Workshop? Learn here. What does reputation mean at the bottom of my profile? Learn here. Where can I discuss a problem only with the staff and/or higher administrators? Here.

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[MattNJ]

In V9 I adjusted the start locations to be open to more lumber.

 

[MattNJ]

I added my custom AI array to this map in V12!

 

[MattNJ]

I added a new unit tech tree in V15. now there are at least 3 custom units and 1 custom hero per race!

 

[MattNJ]

Sorry my map says "created by unknown" as of now but I hope it can be fixed.(This is a map of my creation, of course.)

 

[MattNJ]

Sorry my map says "created by unknown" as of now but I hope it can be fixed.(This is a map of my creation, of course.)

I fixed the issue! I did so by going into map description and changing author unknown to my name.

 

[MattNJ]

I also added new terrain in this map.

 

[MattNJ]

I added more rocks to Infernal Fountains V18.

 

[MattNJ]

I added some rubble and plant doodads to the map.

 

[MattNJ]

I added new custom units and heroes in V23.

 

[MattNJ]

I added my new two custom Orc and Human races! More to come!

 

[MattNJ]

I added a new custom Undead Burning Legion race! I also made some custom unit stat adjustments, such as changes for unit gold, lumber, and food costs.

 

[MattNJ]

I added new custom units and custom heroes in V26!

 

[Daffa]

 

[MattNJ]

I returned the map from altered melee to melee for better game balance. I added new gold mines, neutral passive buildings, and creeps to the map. I adjusted the gold mine amounts for the map.