Tales Of Old Warcraft 0.3c

[Drogenhoernchen]

S c r e e n s h o t s
(& changelog)

feel free to edit this map - just a few things though:
- give appropriate credit
- don't kill off the atmosphere (enhance it instead!)
- note changes applied in some sort of changelog

[sonofjay]

Dafaq? 11mb? its not playable on lan, battle.net and garena.

I'll download it to take a look the culprit

EDIT:

I found the culprit!!!

You have
*1 2mb sound
*1 440 kb sound
and....



*1 21 mb sound

[Drogenhoernchen]

I'll take care of it.

[sonofjay]

just remove them, then I'm sure the filesize will go down to 1 or 2 mb

[Masokist91]

Review :
Gameplay : not bad but can be better , kinda tactic but lacks diversity and lacks kinda everything in manner of teck-trees etc ... i suggest somethings here for you btw try to give every race a custom general ability for example orcs - ability name - madness ( when 30% below make him frenzy attack wich will make him lose 5 armor but in exchange 90% attack speed and 20% ms ) this is just an example i think you got the ideea . Animation of units are really boring make them a little bigger ... most of the people wont like to hardly see their units hp well gameplay can be very good but lacks diversity and lacks some more commands . and for spells try to give every tipe of unit like 2 passives and 1 active it will make the game very interesting . 3/5
Ideea : the ideea is good and you kinda trown it good in world editor but you forgot about somethings some are mechanics some are aestethical for example the human main building the barracks just look ugly on that kind of terrain and i really mean very ugly better use some brownish castle etc . 4/5
Fun factor : not too much you just have to spawn units and stuff no unobvious tactics no nothing you should make it a little more complex but understandable by players . by the other hand i like the battle thing where group of units beat other groups of units and so on . 3/5
Terrain : terrain is kinda good the blacksmiths and lumber mill kinda sucks on the map i suggest the only buildings should be built by players where they want and how they want them ... and diverse the terrain like make cliffs shores marshlands swamps etc but all understandable and no blocking pathers and stuff like that no use for that they suck badly so anyway . anyway terrain is good 4/5 for the effort i expect some remake of this map terrain.
Suggestions : aesthical problems like unfiting things in unfiting places , mechanics are good but not optimized to this tipe of map , the effort you putted in the map was huge i think etc ... nevertheless ill give you one piece of advice and you will understand the rest ... and the suggestion is this - Every unit is important ! make every unit special understandable complex and beatifull ( i can help you with this if you want ) .

Overall opinion : good mechanics but not fitten well ... good terrain but plain and just the same bullshit everywhere ... and not even simetrical ... unit ideea and logic is good and well made i like that but can be done better with some object editor review ... can be a very good map with some work to make everything special ... the rating for now is 3.5/5 !

Have a good day and happy map making !

[Drogenhoernchen]

I updated. Map is 3.7 MB now. Should be playable in multiplayer. Did some minor changes to the map (I attached a chagelog to post #1)

@Masokist91: thanks for the review. I did some of the changes you suggested. Might do more in the future.

[Drogenhoernchen]

feedback would be cool so i know what to change for the next version

[Wazzz]

judging from screenies, it looks like you have a good gothic atmosphere going which is one reason people liked the original Warcraft 1 so much.

also i notice the health values are incredibly low, indicating that you have some fast paced combat, or at least reasoned that high values of health aren't a necessity beyond being aesthetically pleasing when you have the damage values scaled accordingly.

mind you, such health values are typically used in turn-based strategies where it's a little nicer visually, i suppose, but it's good to see it's not just turn-based strategies that can implement this style of values.

as for the gameplay, i have yet to check it out, although i can't help but notice already that, for example, the humans have an axeman AND a footman as well as a leader, and i'm wondering what is the strategic difference between the axeman and the footman primarily, as the role of the 'leader' unit is somewhat predictable.

also be careful of that double post, a 'bump' requires a 48 hour gap i believe, and you only have a 24 hour gap

[Drogenhoernchen]

Originally Posted by Wazzz

(...) as for the gameplay, i have yet to check it out, although i can't help but notice already that, for example, the humans have an axeman AND a footman as well as a leader, and i'm wondering what is the strategic difference between the axeman and the footman primarily, as the role of the 'leader' unit is somewhat predictable.

spearthrowers have the ability to switch weapons making them fight with an axe which they should only do if enemy meele units get to close; the captain is not a leader unit. Footmen get promoted to captain when they survive battle. Its simply a footman with additional armour and different model. Only orcs have leaders.

Originally Posted by Wazzz

also be careful of that double post, a 'bump' requires a 48 hour gap i believe, and you only have a 24 hour gap

Sorry didn't know that - won't happen again

[Orcnet]

Map Review Tales of Old Warcraft (Version 0.2d) Rating System: Rate Rate Rate Rate Rate Overview: Gameplay Tales of Warcraft is an altered melee that is more on force control and offense rather than building tons of structures and harvesting resources. Due to the alteration, ToW has 6 races to be played, Humans prefer the trading mechanism in order to quickly purchase troops in battle, Dwarves rely on slow siege tanks but gains heavy dealing damages, Elves acquires magic in winning, Orcs gains speed bonuses to track down enemy lines or bases, Trolls are the only race who bares an invisible structure to use as scouts or strategic maneuvers, and finally, Undeads command summoning unit abilities. Game ends when an enemy main base is destroyed "I appreciate on how much work you have done to build such a game where you balance all races and focus on only the units to win but sadly, some units(that I can't remember all the names) doesn't do much during battles, such as attacking buildings, gather boxes, etc. but still, everything works well." Terrain "I'd say the design you made for the terrain is decent, either good or bad, I still prefer decent, the weather trigger, fogs and its surroundings actually blends itself during daytime and nightfall, but to enhance such details, I would suggest you add mountain walks that players can move in and gain upper ground attacks(such as the default wc3 setting were you gain attack and sight range in cliffs and attacking units in cliffs gives chances to miss), also water, remember the quote "control the water, and you control everything", not just how the quote would say but adding them as details is a must." Management "After a quick checkup for bugs and trigger errors, I notice during in the lobby, when you don't add players to the game, the AI would start automatically, else it does not, it somehow works like a confused loop. also pressing the restart button doesn't restart the game but instead quits and starts in the lobby, I also found out the text in the "Map Info" that says "Map Control: 100%". what does it mean? is there anything that explains it when I move a unit or dash in an event? it would be great if you can elaborate more user manuals in the Quest box instead of stuffing all of the credit list inside since it is practically useless and waste of size for the map, and lastly, refrain from using too much foreign languages except for special name tags for weapons, units, map area, etc. Use English for players to understand what is happening around the game." Total Score: Rate Status: APPROVED

[Drogenhoernchen]

@Orcnet: thanks for the review. reviews boost my motivation which is good, i guess...

Originally Posted by Orcnet

(...) I also found out the text in the "Map Info" that says "Map Control: 100%". what does it mean? is there anything that explains it when I move a unit or dash in an event?

this is a relic of a game mechanic i once wanted to implement - but i never did so i will rather remove it or give purpose to it. Thx for the clue!

Originally Posted by Orcnet

(...) and lastly, refrain from using too much foreign languages except for special name tags for weapons, units, map area, etc. Use English for players to understand what is happening around the game."[/i]

i didn't intend to have any foreign language ingame (only in WE some triggers and stuff that u never get to read ingame). If there is it's a bug. I definitely gotta check this!

[Gougougox]

I tested the map and i looked at how to gain ressources and it say "secure blacksmith for gold income", ok but where are those blacksmiths?

I don't know if I'm the only to have this problem, but look at it.

Without that the race, terrain and models are very good chosen so for me this is 4/5!

[BeatMySkill]

It's not ARMOUR, it's ARMOR

[Vengeancekael]

Armour is british(english) and is correct.