The Pit

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- with gold depleting quickly, either barge quickly against your enemy or ransack your way into the pit where gold shines till day and night!

The Pit (No Version/s Stated) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "With gold mines in low amount players tend to creep out quickly or directly get much gold in the middle of the map where the action gets into early and as the creep camps are in a stable difficulty, game play is good no much problem to handle." Terrain "Terrain needs a little bit more of polishing than my previous check out in its first update even though it is fitting for the environment of game play." Management "Any else this is a decent map for those competitive in 1v1 matches and steady enough to scavenge for resource and ground." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 10/15 83% B

March 29, 2013

^Orcnet
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[Daffa]

Maybe some screenies??

 

[normalice]

Maybe some screenies??

How does one add screenshots?

 

[UndeadImmortal]

Print Screen --> Paint --> CTRL + V --> Save.
Hiveworkshop comment --> Go Advanced --> Manage Attachments --> Upload --> Click the attachment --> CTRL + C the link of the picture --> Paste it at the comment and put

tags before and after the link.

 

[normalice]

tyvm

 

[Orcnet]

the player's are closely near to each other making the game a bit anxious to play, possibilities of it such as siege/air units striking down on unsteady defenses on early games making it a quick win to others, the side expansion with a strong creep camp is a good choice but since this is a 1v1 map please reduce much of the surrounding creep difficulty, 1v1 maps are more common to green-orange creep camps than bearing two or more red ones

there's no much doodad/environmental designs in-game mainly some trees scattered and tiles making the layout, also the crossing from the left part of the map and same from the right seems a little too tight, giving space would do

anything else, this map needs adjustment, if you can follow some of my revisions or not, please redirect it in the Map Development thread for more improvements, good luck

EDIT: map updated

 

[normalice]

possibilities of it such as siege/air units striking down on unsteady defenses on early games

um. this isn't possible. siege/air units are tier 2 - which is not early game, (with the exception of glaive throwers which, frankly, barely count as a unit).

anyway, even if it were possible, it would be possible for both players. The anxiety is the whole theme of this map - remember that both players would have the same anxiety, and thus it is balanced. (I have another map "Ten Paces" that also follows this philosophy).

I do agree about the space on the sides thing. I've been trying to figure an elegant solution to it, but for now it performs its function.

I'll scale back the creeps in the corner cold mines to yellow, and the goblin shop creeps to green.

 

[normalice]

no need, i'm sure you'll do that for me

in other words you're just trolling randomly and didn't really have a point to begin with... I see...

 

[Orcnet]

you couldn't have just listen and carry on rather than defending a problem that needs fixing, anyways I'm here to take out the smoke

as what I have commented, the main issue that is being shown here are the main bases, may it be a quick scout, tower rush, early air-siege(i.e NE's glaivethrowers, UD's gargoyles, etc) its already an obvious choice just by looking at the minimap you already get the idea. Anyone can reach out to tech2-3 from an early time just for the sake of winning a quick round


and seriously anxiety? its something a player would 'never' do when it comes to matches and obviously that is not how you play games when you know something this tight is at hand

I took a few checkups for a solution in this matter and so I come up with 2:

option#1 is the most safest and I suggestively let you follow to finally fix this problem by only moving the main bases from the edges of the map where the goblin labs are stationed, just simply replace there location and as for the goblin lab either placing them in the previous base or in the cliffs would do since two gold mines next to each other is simply imbalance


I made an option#2 if you really want that theme of 'closely with each other', my option for that is by taking out the a huge chunk of the cliffs that are brightly close to the town halls, by removing that you end up giving space that is another problem the map has and additionally, giving more lumber resources to the main base, if you can look closely on what I'm saying I notice the main base has a little shortage on those lumbers. Also the position of the red creep camps looks odd, give them a proper position where all of them a facing the same direction and prevent a tiny leak of scouting, tower-building etc.

EDIT: map updated

 

[normalice]

as what I have commented, the main issue that is being shown here are the main bases, may it be a quick scout, tower rush, early air-siege(i.e NE's glaivethrowers, UD's gargoyles, etc) its already an obvious choice just by looking at the minimap you already get the idea.

Hm. The golems were supposed to not allow that until dead. I will look into it, thanks :-D

Anyone can reach out to tech2-3 from an early time just for the sake of winning a quick round

yes, but people can do that on any map, and doing it (on this map as well as any other) leaves them open to a rush. That's the way it is: rush beats tech. Tech beats fast expo. fast expo beats rush. That's true for all games (assuming equally skilled opponents).

As I explained to the other guy, this isn't the first "close proximity" map I have made, but it is the first one I haven't been able to test (since battle.net activity has waned a bit). I have found that people usually assume that the other person is going to tech to air, and so they mount an early T1 assault to beat the tech. Your theory makes absolute sense! But it tends to go another way in practice.

and seriously anxiety? its something a player would 'never' do when it comes to matches and obviously that is not how you play games when you know something this tight is at hand

I don't understand what you are saying here.


I will consider changing the layout, though. such that the starting locations are in the corners. But full disclosure: only if I can't make the golems on the cliff work, this is a backup plan.. Remember the TITLE of the map is "The Pit". The whole theme is that the two players are in a pit sort-of together. I.e. the starting locations.

 

[Orcnet]

I have an option 2 where you don't need to change the 2 main bases' location, you just instead remove much of the cliffs shown in the image I had uploaded, giving way to trees and space, anyways changing the layout is fine, I will look at the output once you are done

 

[normalice]

I have an option 2 where you don't need to change the 2 main bases' location, you just instead remove much of the cliffs shown in the image I had uploaded, giving way to trees and space, anyways changing the layout is fine, I will look at the output once you are done

I couldn't really figure out an elegant solution to the golems, so I just moved the starting location to the corners.

However, I also reduced that mine to 5k gold, and moved the natural expansion to a nearby place, reducing it to 4k gold - the intent is since I can't start players in "the pit" then they must enter the pit (at their own discretion) to not run out of gold, and thus stand a chance.

I also increased the "pit" mines to 40k. The terrain around it has been modified to allow only a limited area for building an expansion - an area that is close to the wall to ensure it is vulnerable to towers on the cliff.

 

[Orcnet]

nice solution and still very true to the theme, anyways map approved