Master Arena v2.5e Final

[GLB]

I will have a look! Looks nice. It looks "professional", though it's your first serious map. I give comments later.

EDIT: well I tested it. It's quite funny, considering that's your first serious map essaie. At the moment, I would give 2/5. It lacks a bit and too much creeps spawn. In addtion to this, they are too weak. I toke this Aura Master guy and killed about 20 skeleton warriors with just one strike! A bit imba. Make them stronger and make that they spawn in less number. Keep on working! ;-)

[oddsocks]

The weak creeps were actually intentional :P The idea is to give the player the feeling of power by smashing his or her way through the large amounts of creeps. They don't give much bounty so they are really just the side dish for the actual hero fighting. Btw most heroes have a multi-shot or epic cleaving, so there shouldn't be a balance issue.

[FrozenFenrir]

ive played it a few times and i found some bugs

-the towers of the engineer damage at max level also yourself+allies with its splash=/
-it seems the shadowmasters ultimate triggers a bit wrong after dying(the cd is still decreased but the amount of units u move seem like it has been resetted)
also his movement always costs 4...regardless of the ultimates level

otherwise its a very good hero(...well i cant call it an aos...)arena which is a bit too short for my taste(the towers could have way more hp...)

also...i dont know if the guy had luck but the healer killed 5-6 enemy heroes in like 3-4mins O_o kinda strange for a support hero

[oddsocks]

Thanks for the feedback. I was aware of the splash damage problem and will fix for the next release. I checked the Shadow Master and his ult seemed fine after respawns, maybe is was a latency issue with the large number of commands that a lvl 16 shadow master sends. I will change the placeholder shadow-walk spell to reflect the correct mana cost. The shadow-walk on right click is actually a triggered action rather than an actual spell, so the actual mana usage changes but the placeholder does not. Thanks again!

[Foopad]

An okay map. There's some things that needs to be fixed I think.
I just played it once so far, and we simply overrullede the other team, we played 2v2, me and a mate, we were 2 casters vs 2 melee.
I don't know if something should be done to balance this, or people simply have to vary teams more.
A great map, well done. I hope you keep on working :).
Sincerely Foopad

[FrozenFenrir]

hm i think the towers of the engineer need to be nerfed...
reduce their hp to 300-450. 600 is just too high

oh and make the normal base towers more sturdier(give them much more hp)
otherwise its a bit too short for my taste

[oddsocks]

I must say i agree with you Foopad, all the negative feed back I get with this map comes from people people playing small games. 5v5 I have had much better comments. I think this comes about from the fact that some heroes are much better at killing particular heroes then others. Still I would like 2v2 games to be possible so any ideas for balance, please post them here.

In regards to your comments Fenrir, the lane towers were about twice as weak last version :P I keep buffing them, but I really wanted this to be a short game. The issue with built tower hp is another one that is effected by how many people the game has; In a 5v5 a 600 hp tower will never hold up long as 3 heroes could easily tank it, but in a 2v2 it would survive forever :P

[oddsocks]

I REALLY need a new name for this project; the blandness of the Master Arena name is making this difficult to to differentiate from the crowd. Any suggestion?

[Foopad]

Hi oddsocks,
I was playing the spell master, and I could simply keep my enemies frozen forever, because of that refreshing cooldowns ability. Make it have a cooldown, something like, can't occur more than once every 30 seconds.
About renaming, I don't think this one needs another name, it fits with the contents of the map, you choose a master and guide your troops, so to speak.
I hope you find a balancing system ><, it's quite hard, due to spells, I have a system I can show you, but it probably wont work as inteded. gl :)

[GLB]

Originally Posted by Foopad

About renaming, I don't think this one needs another name, it fits with the contents of the map, you choose a master and guide your troops, so to speak.

I agree with you! This map needn't any new name, although its not that creative. however, keep the name!

[oddsocks]

:p looks like its the name that will have to stay. I have lots of empty tavern slots now though, so i need ideas for new Heroes. Each Hero has to have a play style (healing, nukes, blinking, AoE, knockback, Building, Auras, Tank, Summoning, Stun and Archery and Assassination have already been covered) so I am running out of ideas fast. I was considering dps type hero next. Thoughts? Suggestions?

[baassee]

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Review Reviewer baassee Reviewed Version Master Arena v1.5b Reviewing points Terrain 10% (I don't judge much on AoS featured maps) Triggering 40% Gameplay 30% Bugs 20% (Heavy bugs such as game crashes counts as 100%) Terrain Terrain was much alike GOTA but still fits the mini arena theme very well and I really liked the idea behind the teleporters. My only down point here was that the terrain didn't change at all when you went to the other side of the map, maybe blight would fit the undead side very well or a darker tile of cityscape? Triggering When you random a hero, knockback master is still avaiable for buying. Also knockback masters passive knockback affects buildings too! Also you mention that you have plenty of memory leaks... that's a bad thing, may cause laggs and also game crashes in the very end. Still you mention this game should be fast and yes it is. Judging on abilities. Some are triggered, some are normal ones. Knockback is triggered (a must lawl) but aura master got non-triggered abilities. No wrong with that, pretty hard to make aura abilities with triggers but some more nukes in triggered wouldn't hurt and make the game more special. No AI in current stage. Should be pretty simple in a small map like this to make one. Gameplay I find it very hard to get the reciepes first, rename naga merc to reciepe merc cause I was completly lost in the start, thought the items didn't work but they did! Only was that I had reciepies in my inventory. Very fast and nice game-play. Like the idea with the masters and they work very well. Masses with units improves the "killing" feeling alot but still I'm a little annoyed with the weak towers without splash! Very hard to def when you have so low movement speed and have to travel half map to get to your tower. Still I thought it was a good idea with the last building having multi-shot so it can defend itself atleast a few second more. The teleporters are very nice as I mentioned, can be a little backstab trick too! :) One more thing is that the lines that spawn in the outer ones walk into the middle if there are any enemies there. Can be annoying while deffing but that's that teams problem isn't it?! Bugs You really should fix the problems I've mentioned but I think there are not so many bugs. The knockback shouldnt affect buildings and abilities are optional but are very common to have it that way. But the memory leaks ... fix it cause it might come up later. Rating Points Uses a 1 - 5 scale. Terrain = 4 Triggering = 3 Gameplay = 4 Bugs = 2 4*0.10+3*0.40+4*0.30+2*0.20 = 0.8+1.2+1.2+0.4 = 3.6 ~ Useful / Recommended Vote for approval: Yes Vote for disapproval: No Summary Very short gameplay which makes it more fun to play. Replaying this choosing other heroes is a must! Not so many items but what cares, games to short for it anyways. I liked the hero styles and the terrain. It has a few flaws here and there but it doesnt affect the map to much. Just that the knockback master is op. Pushed their tower to the middle :P Seems that you atleast put some effort in this map and I would like to see some further updates of this!

[Foopad]

Originally Posted by baassee

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"but aura master got non-triggered abilities. No wrong with that, pretty hard to make aura abilities with triggers"
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I would like to prove you wrong :P
New characters eh? I vouge for a very stealthy guy, and maybe someone who specializes in traps :P

[baassee]

Originally Posted by Foopad

I would like to prove you wrong :P

ofc it's possible but nothing I recommend in GUI