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Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) + 3.41 unprotect

Author(s)
HuanAk
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Tower (Defense / TD / Maul / Wars), Miscellanous / Other
Size
2.76 MB
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(18 ratings)

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69007
Created
Apr 26, 2011
Updated
Jul 2, 2016
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Legion TD Mega 3.5(Beta4) is released ! !


(download link at the end of this post)

3.5 Changes Log :



3.5 (Beta 1) changes log :

Descriptiom bugs:
* Fixed DragonHawk's range description (300)
* Fixed Greymore's damage description (142-168)
* Fixed Machine Robot's damage description (62-68)
* Fixed Soul of Villain's hp description (530hp)
* Fixed Mercurial's range description ( 650 )
* Fixed Gravekeeper's range description (500)
* Fixed Meridian's hp description (1000)
* Fixed Tempest's Range description (300)
* Fixed Defiler's damage type (Chaos)
* Fixed Fangthtooth's damage type description (Normal)
* Fixed Sky Dragon's damage description (magic/piercing)
* Fixed Mitorsis description, should be magic

Other Bugs/changes
* Arena -- Removed bug music
* Arena -- melee will teleport to front, range behind
* Mercenary -- can summon after level 30
* "li" mode -- lower value requirement for 2nd upgrade (1300 to 1200).
* Advance Barrack -- won't reset your hotkey
* Vote Kick -- Only host can start -vk or -votekick command
* Enable poison kill, bounty bug fixed
* King can move after level 31
* Cooldown on Behemouth/Krakken/Infernal/Demon change from 25/30/60/120 -> 40/60/90/135
* disable anti-stuck on fighter, it only work on creep from now on

Unit changes:
* Clockwreck -- AE is working now.
* Sky Dragon -- increase damage on air (90-100)
* Fire Archer(undead) -- increase HP from 100 to 250.
* Young Frost Dragon -- can attack air now
* Violat -- cost reduce from 150 -> 120
* Meat Wagon -- HP increase from 265->280
* War Machine -- HP increase from 600->750
* Guardian of Death -- Life steal aura will include this unit
* Spawn of Dragon -- Life steal aura will include this unit
* Wolvorine -- finishing blow do not work on Boss unit.
* All 3 big dragon-- lower backswing, increase splash area.


Creep Level:
* Level 3 : hp lower (55->45), damage lower by 1
* Level 17: hp lower (699->650), damage lower by 3
* Level 31 = Pit Lord ( ~15,000 value)
* Level 32 = Crypt Lord ( ~16,000 value)
* Level 33 = War Lord ( ~17,000 value)
* Level 34 = Fire Lord ( ~18,000 value)
* Level 35 = DOOM ( too hard to kill)


Beta 2
* Fixed Spawn of Dragon & Guardian of Death's Splash damage
* Lower splash damage on 3 big dragon
* Fixed Holy Light on King
* Remove active ability on King after level 31 (and king can move faster)
* Anti-stuck.. work on creep, and only work on fighter it after teleport to king.
* Fixed "Most leaks" for RED Player in single player game
* Fixed hot key for summon
* level 35 is harder (deal more damage)
* Level 32 & 34 have 0 armor (was -2)
* Add new debug command -kingmax (upgrade king to max)
* Add new beta command -hero (will give you 10 hero points)
* Add first Hero: The Death Knight


Beta 3:

* Level 3 : hp lower (55->45), damage lower by 1 (roll back to 3.41)
* Level 17: hp lower (699->650), damage lower by 3 (roll back to 3.41)
* Elite Archer: same dps, but slower ( 13dmg/0.55s to 18dmg/0.8, 5 target)
* DOOM: increase attack range from 100 to 500
* King & Hero will take 90% damage from all attack type (except Chaos and spell)
* Change minimum movement speed from 0 to 100 (you can't slow unit to 0 speed anymore)
* LTDAC 3.0 (LegionTD Anti-Cheat)
* change builder will disable after built hero

Note: This beta will have -AP as default mode, so player can try out new heroes .

Range hero(attack speed):
* Darkness Aura (-15% damage) -- Dark Ranger
* Trueshot Aura (+15% range) -- Priestess of the Moon
* Brilliance Aura (5%) -- Archmage
* Frost Aura - 50% slow -- Medusa

Melee Heroes (offence):
* Command Aura (+10% melee damage) -- Mountain King
* Endurance Aura (+10% attack speed) -- Chieftain
* Vampiric Aura (15% life steal) -- Dread Lords

Melee Heroe (Defence):
* Unholy Aura (30% movement, 10hp/s) - Death Knight
* Thorns Aura (20% damage shield) - Keeper of the Grove
* Devotion Aura (+3) and Heal (500hp) - Paladin

level 11 ability:
* Dark Ranger -> Black Arrow (-4 armor)
* Priestess of the Moon -> Frost Arrow (30% slow)
* Archmage -> Inner Fire ( 30% attack, 3 armor buff, can cover 3 target)
* Medusa -> Water Shield ( same as sphere, 3 target)
* Death Knight -> dealy poison (150dmg poison, 30% slow)
* Keeper of the Grove -> Healing Wave ( 400hp 4 target with 50% diminishing)
* Paladin -> +3 armor aura
* Mountain King -> Bash (20% chance for 100dmg, 3 seconds stun)
* Chieftain -> Critical hit (20% chance for x2 damage)
* Dread Lords -> Evasion (20% miss)

B4 changes log:

* Elite archer --> upgrade cost increase from 155 to 160.
* Tree of Knowledge --> AoE range reduced from 600 to 400
* Goliath --> attack speed changed from 1.6s to 1.8s.
* Mini Hydra --> HP reduced from 800hp to 600hp.
* Druid --> initial mana change from 10 to 0
* Goblin Blaster --> lower overclock's damage from +40% to +30%
* Necrolyte --> cost increase from 170 to 220, HP increase from 750 to 1000.
* Mutant --> Inject Steroids change from 20% damage&hp to 20% damage only.

* Red/Azure/Death dragon --> increase attack speed from 1.6 to 1.3.
* Red/Azure/Death dragon --> Lower AE damage to 5%/20% on 300 and 30 range.
* Tree of Life --> attack speed increase from 1.8 to 1.2
* Trident --> 20% chance to deal 200 damage and stun for 2 seconds.
* Tuskarr --> Spearman's range increase from 350 to 450
* Ancient Wandigoo --> attack faster : 1.0s to 0.9s
* High Priest --> attack faster: 1.0 to 0.8
* The Butcher --> attack faster: 1.6 to 1.5
* Frenzy Ghoul --> HP increase from 660 to 700
* Gravekeeper --> attack faster: 1.1 to 1.0
* Sky Dragon --> attack faster against air (1.0 speed to 0.6 speed)
* Forsaken One --> Insanity buff change from 20% damage to 30% damage

* add 1000 value requirements on Altar of Heroes.
* Altar of Heroes will disable if player use change builder.
* remove Mercenary race.
* King can move at level 30.
* Enable Anti-stuck for Arena fight (can only use after fight start)
* add "leaked", "int" to W3MMD.

* Fixed change builder bug.
* Fixed King's autocast bug.
* Fixed level 11 Tauren chieftain's critical hit

New mode: -ns (no saving)
- player cannot save lumber above cap
- minimum cap = 200 (eg, cap won't work if you have less than 200 lumber)
- cap = 100x(wisp + lumberjeck) , eg 7/15 = 100 x (7+15) = 2100 lumber.
- cap will check at the end of every wave, and any lumber above cap will remove from game.








LegionTD Mega is base on Legion TD War 1.50c (by LISK), he quit Warcraft 3 and left the map for anyone to continue development.

for this version (Mega), it will be X3 mode only, so I can spent more time to balance the map for X3 mode.



---Overview---


Build towers to defend your team's King from attackers.

Each level, your towers become units and fight for you.

Harvest lumber with workers. Use lumber to buy summons to attack the other team and

increase your income. Lumber can also be used to upgrade your team's King's stats.

Defeat the enemy King to win.

====================================

[rainbow]Game Mode[/rainbow] :

---(Update: 14th Oct 2011)


Primary Mode:
  • -AP : All Pick - All players can pick any race.
  • -AP : All Random - All players are given a random race.
  • -SD : Single Draft - All players are given 2 random races to choose.
  • -HP : Host Pick - host pick a race, every given same race as host.
Secondary Mode:
  • -mm : Master Mind - Restricted vision on enemy's map and information.
  • -hg : Hour Glass - Receive gold for enemy leaks (that reach the King).
  • -gg : Get Gold - Receive gold from kills at middle (near king).
  • -cb : Change Builder - You can pay to change to a new builder.
  • -li : Limit Incomer - Pure income is disabled untill lvl10+.
  • -X3 : 3 Time - more creeps spawn
Default Mode: if you don't enter mode in 15 seconds after game start, it will use "-aphgggmmcbx3" as defualt mode.

Quick Mode: if mode string is 3 characters long, it will use Quick Mode. eg "-ap"
  • -AP = "-aphgggmmcbx3"
  • -SD = "-aplihgggmmcbx3"
  • -AR = "-aplihgggmmcbx3"
  • -HP = "-aplihgggmmcbx3"
Short Mode: make mode shorter for Hostbot or player
  • "gm" = gg + mm
  • "gc" = gg +cb
  • "gl" = gg +li
  • "cl" = cb +li
    (hg & x3 is default, don't need to type)


Hostbot Support:---(Update: 16th Oct 2011)



How to set up map config file:

- Hostbot usually automatic created config for you (sometime they base on Dota, so you may need to changed slot structure).
- Below is working slot structure for 4v4

Information about slot structure
# slot structure
# [PID] [Download Status] [Slot Status] [Computer] [Team] [Colour] [Race] [Skill] [Handicap]
# - PID is always 0
# - Download Status is always 255
# - Slot Status is 0 for open, 1 for closed, 2 for occupied
# - Computer is 0 for no, 1 for yes
# - Team
# - Colour
# - Race is 1 for human, 2 for orc, 4 for night elf, 8 for undead, 32 for random (add 64 to any of these for fixed)
# - Skill is 0 for easy computer, 1 for normal computer or human, 2 for hard computer
# - Handicap is 50/60/70/80/90/100

Note:
- make sure slot 9 = team 1 (left king), computer and occupied.
- make sure slot 10 = team 2 (right king), computer and occupied.

Here is slow structure for 4v4
map_slot1 = 0 255 0 0 0 0 1 1 100
map_slot2 = 0 255 0 0 0 1 1 1 100
map_slot3 = 0 255 0 0 0 2 1 1 100
map_slot4 = 0 255 0 0 0 3 1 1 100
map_slot5 = 0 255 0 0 1 4 1 1 100
map_slot6 = 0 255 0 0 1 5 1 1 100
map_slot7 = 0 255 0 0 1 6 1 1 100
map_slot8 = 0 255 0 0 1 7 1 1 100
map_slot9 = 0 255 2 1 0 8 1 1 100
map_slot10 = 0 255 2 1 1 9 1 1 100


Here is slow structure for 3v3

map_slot1 = 0 255 0 0 0 0 1 1 100
map_slot2 = 0 255 0 0 0 1 1 1 100
map_slot3 = 0 255 0 0 0 2 1 1 100
map_slot4 = 0 255 1 0 0 3 1 1 100
map_slot5 = 0 255 0 0 1 4 1 1 100
map_slot6 = 0 255 0 0 1 5 1 1 100
map_slot7 = 0 255 0 0 1 6 1 1 100
map_slot8 = 0 255 1 0 1 7 1 1 100
map_slot9 = 0 255 2 1 0 8 1 1 100
map_slot10 = 0 255 2 1 1 9 1 1 100






This map is Hostbot Command Library ENABLE(since version 3.3)
  • you can enter mode from hostbot setting or .config file
  • you can enter mode in lobby room before game start. eg: !hcl apggcb
  • you don't need to type "-", just "ap" is enough
Hint:
  • hg, x3 is default (you don't need to type them)
  • Hostbot have those limitation: 1 character per player/computer(eg 4v4 = 10 chracter)
  • if mode string is too long, you can you short-cut mode. eg: you can replace "ggmm" with "gm"

here is list of shutern mode special made for Hostbot (normal player can use them too)
  • "gm" = gg +mm
  • "gc" = gg +cb
  • "gl" = gg +li
  • "cl" = cb +li
for example: ".hcl apgmcl" will become "-apggmmcblihgx3"

Null HCL Command
  • "hcl 0" or "hcl -0" is special HCL command
  • This command won't do anything to game mode (player can still type their own mode)
  • This command will disable -vk (map's votekick, Hostbot already have their own votekick)
  • This command will enable W3MMD
This map is W3MMD ENABLE (since version 3.41)
  • W3MMD is turn off on default
  • You can turn W3MMD on with any hcl mode (eg, "hcl 0")
  • Stat is update at the end of every wave
  • Final stat is update immediate after King die
  • Player leave within 3 minutes before king die will flag as "Winner" or "Loser"
  • Player leave more than 3 minutes ago will flag as "Leaver"
List of stats for W3MMD:
  • game_mode
  • gold_total
  • income
  • level
  • lumber
  • lumber_total
  • name // player name
  • race
  • score
  • seconds // how long they played, in seconds
  • value
  • flag "winner"
  • flag "Loser"
  • flag "leaver"
How to host Legion TD on playdota.eu bot ?
Step 1: join channel
Go to channel playdota.eu on server EuroBattle or FawkzBNET

Step 2: choose which map
Whisper "/w PlayDota.eu .map Legion TD Mega 3.3.w3x"

Step 3: start game, with your own game name
Whisper "/w PlayDota.eu .gopub Legion TD Mega -ap"

Note: you must use .gopub for custom games(!gopub is for Dota only).

You can get the pattern map name list on this link:
http://www.playdota.eu/maps/map_list.php

How to enter mode in lobby/Hostbot setting ?
Option 1:
open config file and add the line below:
map_defaulthcl = apggcb

Option 1:
in lobby (waiting for player join before game start), type :
.hcl apggcb

Note:
1, you can only type 1 character per player(include computer). so if it is 4v4, max character is 10
2, you don't need to type "-" at begin
3, HG, X3 is default(not need to type)
4, if mode string is too long, you can you short-cut mode. eg: you can replace "ggmm" with "gm"

here is list of mode combo that can replace with shorter mode:
gm = gg +mm
gc = gg +cb
gl = gg +li
cl = cb +li

for example: ".hcl apgmcl" will give "-apggmmcblihgx3"


Creep's bounty, Bonus Gold and Value for every level---(Update: 20th Oct 2011)


Level Creep Bounty # of Creep Gold from Creep Bonus Gold Creep+Bonus Total Gold Creep Value
1 3 36 108 11 119 300 250
2 3 45 135 12 147 419 350
3 4 40 160 13 173 566 500
4 5 36 180 14 194 739 650
5 5 36 180 16 196 933 800
6 5 36 180 18 198 1129 1000
7 6 30 180 20 200 1327 1200
8 6 36 216 23 239 1527 1450
9 5 45 225 26 251 1766 1600
10 51 3 153 60 213 2017 1850
11 5 54 270 35 305 2230 2050
12 6 45 270 40 310 2535 2400
13 7 45 315 45 360 2845 2700
14 12 26 312 50 362 3205 3100
15 9 36 324 55 379 3567 3500
16 8 45 360 60 420 3946 4000
17 10 34 340 70 410 4366 4500
18 8 45 360 80 440 4776 5000
19 10 36 360 90 450 5216 5500
20 86 3 258 200 458 5666 6000
21 10 36 360 110 470 6124 6500
22 9 48 432 120 552 6594 7100
23 11 36 396 130 526 7146 7700
24 11 36 396 140 536 7672 8500
25 9 45 405 150 555 8208 9500
26 12 36 432 160 592 8763 10600
27 12 36 432 170 602 9355 11800
28 23 18 414 180 594 9957 13000
29 14 30 420 190 610 10551 14000
30 123 3 369 400 769 11161 15000
31 0 15 0 0 0 11930 15000

Link for All units stat




Changes Log for all version





=== This map is base on original 1.50c ===
=== Only version list below are made by me ===



---------------------------

3.41 (2011-10-23)

* add W3MMD (more detail on Hostbot Support Section)
* Intruduce "Score", it will use for title in next version
* "-vk" is working correctly (you can start votekick with less than 2 player now)
* GG rules slightly changed (0% bounty if leaked more than 150)
* Remove income cap (high income will get FULL bonus gold)
* level 2 give less gold, lvl3 give more gold (and harder)
* all boss level (10,20,30) will give double bonus.
* lvl7/11/17/25/26/27 are harder (require recommended value)


About Score:
- Calculate from: Value, Income, # of leaked, and how many time you use change builder/reroll
- It is average value from level 1 to current level
- value score = (100-150) x (your value / creep value )
- income score = 100 x income/(bonus*2)
- you lost 1 score per leaked
- for (100-150) modifier: never used change builder = 150, used once = 140, used 5 time = 100

How to turn on W3MMD:
- W3MMD is off on default
- you can turn W3MMD on with any hcl command
- "hcl 0" is special command that do nothing (eg, player can still type mode)
- you can turn W3MMD on with "hcl 0" command

------------------------------

3.4 (2011.9.30)

New Race (Undead)
- Tier 1: range, magic damage
- Tier 2: melee, lifesteal
- Tier 3: range, siege damage, with small splash.
- Tier 4: raise dead, Aura ( -1% hp per second)
- Tier 5: melee, tank. small range aura, both aura stack.
- Tier 6: splash (similar to beast)

Mecenary rework:
- 1st unit: 8 Gold, 25 Lumber.
- 2nd unit: 25 Gold, 50 Lumber, +1 income, 330 Value.
- 3th unit: 50 Gold, 75 Lumber, +3 income, 500 Value.
- 4th unit: 100 Gold, 100 Lumber, +5 income, 900 value.
- Mecenary can defend up to level 31 without change builder.

"Change to Mecenary":
- mode "-li" will disable this ability
- require "-CB" mode
- can only use once
- Available after wave start (if your value lower than 50% of recommend value)

Paladin
- Paladin night attack faster. (same dps)
- Guard attack faster. (same dps)
- Elite archer damage changed : 12->13 ( still 5 target)
- Priest spell change : 50hp -> 100hp (mana cost double)
- High Priest heal spell changed: 100hp -> 200hp (mana cost double)

Marine:
- Hydra's Tripple attack changed: 60% -> 80% damage
- Hydra's mini hydra: spawn 2-->3 mini Hydra
- Highbone : add sphere (cost 0 mana, 7 second cooldown, 10 second duration)
- Sky Dragon's have 100% critical hit on air (sky dragon is upgrade from Egg)

Artic
- Add AE slow to azure dragon
- Ancient Wandigo evasion work correctly(was 7% with fake description, now 12%)
- Dragon Aspect & Azure Dragon have better animation

Ghost :
- Apparition have new aura: 5% (stack with Gravekeeper's aura)
- Apparition/Gravekeeper attack range changed (600->500, so aura cover more unit)
- Meridian (Ghost's 6th unit) HP change from 100->1000
- Ghost's Insanity : remove -12hp effect

Element :
- Mana regen aura : 3% -> 5% (eg, if you have 30mana, it will add +1.5 mana/second)

Shadow:
- Nightmare/Doppleganster tank better (light -> unarmored)

Nature:
- Tree of Knowledge's AoE spell limit to 15 target

Demi:
- Alpha Male: reduce spell animation (almost instantly cast)

Orc:
- Poison cannot kill creep (will leave it with 1hp)

Goblin:
- Goblin's driver will elf-destructive when die ( same effect as small/medium land mine)

Creep:
- level 22, 28 is slightly easier (around 5-10% easier)
- 17,18,23,24,25,26,27 is harder

Summon:
- correct shortcut key for Pudge & shaman
- Add new summon: Infernal (1000 Lumber, melee, Bash, Burning AOE)
- Behemouch changes: add +3 armor aura
- Krakken changes: add healing aura (+4 hp AOE)

Arena:
- Level 10 Arena = 1x free Turtle.
- Level 20 Arena = 3x free Turtle.
- Unit/Turtle won't move untill fight start
- Summon/Pet will remove after fight finish.
- Add new result for Arena: "Draw" (if both team die, they share the prize).
- Builder cannot move outside their own area during arena fight(before teleport)

Bug fix :
- Frost Aura & Telescope Aura won't stay after fighter die.
- Chariot won't make crit on Ascedent/unarmor
- Map is visible to all afer level 31.
- "-next" command won't display anything after level 31.
- Player cannot use Holy Light more than once
- Player cannot use Holy Light on your own building (can only cast on king)
- Player cannot buy wisp at start if -li mode is on.
- Goblin steamroller should summon driver after die
- Correct many description/tooltip errors.

Game & Hostbot:
- Remove income/bonus gold cap on -AP (mode "-li" will enable this cap)
- New map layout & size
- New Loading screen & minimap (thank Shengshun)
- New spawn & pathing (Try out 4v4, lag is much better now)
- Creep enter dark green area will received +2 armor
- Automatic "-next" information at the end of every wave.
- Bounty on leaked is more accuracy.
- Poisons cannot longer kill unit (poison will stop at 1hp, to avoid no bounty bug)
- after game over, game will shutdown in 30 seconds (not more AFKer for 10 hours on hostbot).
- Remove player name "attacker" on player 9 and 10. (hostbot can use these slot for talking)


Votekick :
- add new votekick system.
- start by -kick or -votekick. (you can cancel votekick after it start)
- Host have unlimit -votekick, everyone else can only "Fail" once.
- Require 50% positive vote to kick
- "Positive vote" = "Yes" - "No"


3.3 (2011.6.29)
* Fix Fatal Error/Crash cause by Artic
* Infanty attack faster (still same 30dps)
* Juiced Mutant sell for 100% gold if freshly built
* Quick Mode -sd & -ar now include -li

3.2 (2011.6.26)
* New Race : Orc
* New Special Event: after level 10 & 20
* Mercenary have limit on how much they can summon.
* Mercenary's damage changed (Chao to other)
* Elf's Ascedent is more useful
* Nature's Ygg attack faster(wont' leak level 1)
* Ghost's Forsaken One become better tank(light->heavy armor)
* Marine's Mermaid ability change (+6 -> +3 armor )
* lvl5 is easier, lvl9 is harder, lvl28 is easier
* All race have same hotkey for all tower = Q, W, E ,R , A, S

combined mode (make mode shorter)
-gm = gg + mm
-gc = gg +cb
-gl = gg +li
-cl = cb +li
(hg & x3 is default, don't need to type)

Hostbot Command Library:
- you can enter mode from hostbot setting or .config file
- you can enter mode in lobby room before game start. eg: !hcl apggcb
- hg, x3 is default (you don't need to type them)
- you don't need to type "-", just "ap" is enough
- mode limited to 1 character per player/computer(eg 4v4 = 10 chracter)

3.1b (2011.05.21)
* Mercenary : spell is disable after wave start
* Add glowing aura to Prophet, Artic, Mercenary builder
* disable -cb should disable change to Mercenary
* Fixed Mutant fake anti-cheat warning
* Fixed : -ar mode & type your own mode will work correctly.
* Timer for each wave change (from 30-60 second to 40-55 second)

3.1a (2011.05.15)
* Quick fix bug on east side

3.1 (2011.05.15)
* new race: Mercenary
* Mercenary is BEST race for noob & pure-lumber.
* Mercenary is disable under mode -li.
* Player can change to Mercenary after 75% leaked.
* Mercenary only teleport to king after attacked.
* Mercenary can't defend lvl23+

* Fixed -HP & change builder bug
* Fix lvl31+ bug (scoreboard visible to all)
* Fix Arctic's aura stack & spell description

3.0 (2011.05.05)
Unit
* Fix Maverick's image (creep kill by image will give correct bounty).
* Maverick cannot cast image from building time.
* LoD/hades cannot summon 2 pet at same time.
* Change Royal Griffin's attack&ability( difference graphic, same dps)
* Update serveral ingame message/unit description/ability description

Game
* Game load faster.
* Remove value restrict on wisp (Pure incomer is back !)
* mode -li = Limit Incomer, disable pure imcomer.
* Max cost for lumber upgrade is 200 gold/lumber (8th,9th and higher).
* add 5 more level of lumber research (max = 15)
* can't buy summon from advance barrack untill level 10+
* can't buy Behemouth/Warden/Kraken untill 15+.
* New Race - Artic (difference spell & ability)
* New mode : HP (host pick, everyone will have same builder)
* gg mode changed : small leak = full gold. medium leak = 50% gold, huge leak=0% gold (100%, 75%, 50%, 25%, 0%)
* Anti-cheat monitor installed.

2.17 (2011.4.02)
* New Race - Goblin Builder
* New Race - Prophet Builder
* Warning ! lvl31+ is difference.
* lvl23 and lvl27 is easier.
* Lag reduce from summon system.
* Fix incorrect spell/unit description.
* Hybrid can only change builder once
* information from -next command will display to all allies

* Fix Hybrid error:
- Outcast move from T5 to T4
- Harlot move from T4 to T5
- Troll Fighter move from T3 to T4
- Phantom move form T4 to T3

v2.16 (2011.3.20)
* Change Crusader food (1->0)
* Correct dragon hawk Build's descrition (normal-> magic)
* Change hermit income (5->4)
* Adjust difficuly for -sd and -ar (5% and 10%)
* Lower difficult on lvl8 and lvl21
* Change bonus gold formula ( more gold for lvl 14+)
* Fix Komodo run too far issue
* Add new heal to builder(only work on king)
* Skip cinematic and display score after Victory/Defeat.
* remove lumber/wisp restrict after lvl10.

v2.15 (2011.3.15)
* Fix king upgrade refund bug.
* Fix change builder bug on -ar mode
* -ar = hard, sd=normal, ap=easy (5% difference in creep's hp)
* Maverick's illusion can teleport to king now
* Show list of full mode on startup
* reduce lag during fight ( almost no lag for 4v4 now)

v2.14e (2011.3.10)
* Fix change builder
* you can't train wisp or lumber upgrade untill 500 fighter value ( prevent pure incomer).
* lower starting gold to 270, creep is harder start from lvl3
* Fix Crusader's damage to match unit description
* Change Hybrid T6 cost 315->305
* Elite Archer building is same as Elite Archer fighter now
* level 16 creep hp reduce 335->315
* level 21 HP reduce 780->730
* level 14 bounty raise from 10-12
* level 15 bounty raise from 8-9
* add High Elven Farm 2,3,4,5,6 (200 food)

v2.14d (2011.3.9)
- add unit description(for new race) to Hybrid
- change starting gold to 300
- nightsaber hp change (950>850)
- introduce income cap = level x 20 (nerfed pure incomer, most people will never see this cap untill lvl25+)


v2.14c (2011.3.7)
- Quick Fix Moon Guard food cost (0->2)

v2.14b (2011.3.7)
- Fix Change Builder
- Fix hybrid (new race include)
- Fix doppleganger cost.
- Wave 14+ is easier(remove 15% hp buff for lvl14+)
- Add new command -kill for display total kill
- Add visual effect to Royal Griffin's multi attack
- Add visual effect to Sentry's magic attack
- Buff Cavalier's HP

v2.14a (2011.3.6)
- quick fix to 2.14 for creep won't spawn

v2.14 (2011.3.6)
* Add Change builder(you can only change 5 time)
* Hybrid unit will include elf & paladin
* Upgrade king regenation change(3->5 per upgrade) and reduce king upgrade cost (100-80)
* Add spell to Druid ( Wraith of Nature)
* Nightsaber food reduce from 2 to 1.
* Moon Guard food cost raise from 0 to 2
* Wisp food cost reduce form 2 to 1
* Fix Sentry's ability
* Fix incorrect sell value on certain unit
* Creep wave difficult adjust (1%-15% hp buff move from lvl1-lvl10 to lvl5-lvl19)
* Reduce lag, 4v4 is playable ! (map should be 99% FREE of memory leak)

v2.13 (2011.3.4)
* Change lumber system, research will cost lumber as well as gold (income is more balance)
* Creep wave is harder, from 1% hp buff to 15%.
* Tree of Knowledge changed ( buffed hp, nerfed AE damage to 20 target)
* change Battle cry is self only(+5armor, 20% damage)
* Buffed Golem(element) 's hp
* Buffed Seer/Phoenix's dps
* Buffed warden. it is as good as moon guard now.

v2.12 (2011.3.1)
* Fix texture/skin issue for builder
* Add new builder to random builder
* Correct unit/ability description
* Income and wisp count will update correctly
* Fix debug mode (-restart and -repick will work for all mode)
* Tweaked Spawn of Dragon's splash (increase range, but will never do full damage)
* Tweaked Dragon Aspect's splash ( splash will work on air creep, but never do full damage)
* Fix bounty from summon
* Tweaked lumber system (Wisp is more expensive, eg cost 2 food, 10 lumber.)
* Add 2 more lumber upgrade


----------------------------------------------------------
v2.11 (2011.2.27)
* fix bug with mode
* fix elite archer's multishot ability(increase range, so it will won't shot at 1 target)
* Dragon Aspect's splash work on air, but will never do full damage on splash(will do 40% & 10% depend on range)
----------------------------------------------------------
v2.10 (2011.2.26)
* add new race (alliance)
* remove worker(reduce lag), replace with wisp
* -gg mode only give half gold
* all summon will more bounty to other team
* high level summon have longer cool down
* farm can upgrade 10 time.
* player can see all unit's dps ingame
beast:
* modified spalsh damage(they will never do full damage on splash)
Demi:
* reduce cost on Mutant (400->300)
* buffed oracle's dps
* modified Minotaur/Bigfoot's AE spell (deal less damage)
Elf:
* remove starfall from Nightsaber
* new spell for Ascendent (-8 armor debuff)
Mech:
* buffed Zues's spell damage (40->100)
* buffed Krogoth's dps
Shadow:
* nerfed gate guard's pet hp (185->145)
Marine:
* fangtooth's feast change(from every 3 -> 5 attacks.)
----------------------------------------------------------
v2.0 (first version, 2010.2.19)
* base on 1.50c
* add new race (Elf)
* change unit stat base on forum feedback.


CREDITS



Credit:

special thank to :
PanicX and his clan "UC" for all testing, ideas & bug hunting.

Game :
LISK - source code on 1.50
Ezge - Goblin & Artic race
von_Oberstain - many game design ideas, loading screen and testing
BkO21 - loading screen
Shengshun - loading screen/preview/minimap

and many many people on forum/email with lots of useful imformation.

Unit Models :
Anarchianbedlam - Goblin's Helicopter model
Donut3.5 - Goblin's Mobile Turret / Goblin Drillbot / Goblin Steamroller
Frankster - Goblin's Assault Tank
Tranquil - King's model

Items:
Sunchips - Mecenary's Dagger

Effect:
Ayane - Hero's color Aura
Daelin - Ice troll's Glaciar Aura

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The Hive Workshop (http://www.hiveworkshop.com )
The Helper Net Forum (http://www.thehelper.net/forums/index.php)
Warcraft 3 Campaign forum ( http://www.wc3c.net/forums.php )


Forum Link:

Forum :
http://legiontd.in-goo.com/f14-legion-td-mega
http://jx3.net/tdg/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=3913





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Legion TD Mega 3.41 (Map)

Author
HuanAk
Filename
Legion TD Mega 3.41 unprotect.w3x
Suggested players
2v2, 3v3, 4v4
Players
8
Required game
Warcraft 3
Recommended version
1.19 - 1.21b
Dimensions
106x106 (128x128)
Size
1717.55 KB
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Jul 2, 2016
Updated
Jul 2, 2016
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Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) (Map)

Author
HuanAk
Filename
Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4).w3x
Suggested players
2v2, 3v3, 4v4
Players
8
Required game
Warcraft 3
Recommended version
1.19 - 1.21b
Dimensions
106x106 (128x128)
Size
1112.15 KB
Uploaded
Apr 26, 2011
Updated
Oct 7, 2012
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05:44, 29th Apr 2011 -Kobas-: Status: Approved Update: Re-moderating with review Date: 2011/Oct/07 23:46:38 Vengeancekael: VM // PM: Status: Approved Rating: 4/5 Recommended Rep Received: 2Reasons: Other: If you have any complaints or...
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I will put negative mana regen on building so *building* can't heal.

Because this bug only happen when player *right click to active* on building.

Priest's heal is changed :

Priest : 130hp/10 mana
High Priest : 300hp/10mana

10 seconds per heal without mana aura
or 6.66 seconds per heal with mana aura.


Edit: 3.41 is released !!
 
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Hey huan,

3.41 seems good :)

But I happened to discover a lot more stuff in my bot logs. I am not sure, how to interpret that stuff. Maybe you can take a look at tell me if you got a clue what thats about. There's a shitload of STATSW3MMD log entries. See excerpt below, full log for game in attachment.

Stuff like....
Code: 
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP gold_total int high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP gold_income int high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP race string high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP game_mode string high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP name string high leaderboard] found, ignoring

... or like ...
Code: 
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [2]

find password for archive in your inbox, as there are user ips in it :)
 

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I am just thinking about Lumber upGrades... so annoying when ppl wont understand that doing lumber upgrades in round 27 or so is no good.

What about binding availability of lumber upgrades to recommended value? Starting in round 21, only if mode is -li. Meaning they only can do further lumber upgrades if value >= recommended value


what do you think?
 

HuanAk

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MastaKilla said:
Hey huan,

3.41 seems good :)

But I happened to discover a lot more stuff in my bot logs. I am not sure, how to interpret that stuff. Maybe you can take a look at tell me if you got a clue what thats about. There's a shitload of STATSW3MMD log entries. See excerpt below, full log for game in attachment.

Stuff like....
Code: 
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP gold_total int high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP gold_income int high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP race string high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP game_mode string high leaderboard] found, ignoring
[Sun Oct 23 16:22:44 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] duplicate DefVarP [DefVarP name string high leaderboard] found, ignoring

... or like ...
Code: 
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [0]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [1]
[Sun Oct 23 16:37:29 2011] [     STATSW3MMD: Legion TD Mega 3.41! #64438] overwriting previous flag [winner] with new flag [winner] for PID [2]

find password for archive in your inbox, as there are user ips in it :)
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the log seen normal if it also happen in beta:
1, everytime it update, it will overwrite older value
2, if there are 8 player, you should get 8 copy of update for same value.

Because in warcraft 3, you can saved game for single player campaign, but some player try use those "save game" function for multiplayer(the result is W3MMD), but in multiplayer, everyone try send their data to host, so host received 6 copy of data. that is why your hostbot say "duplicate" or repeat "overwrite".

if your log only happen in 1 game, then it is possible:
- someone running maphack try send fake data to learn or fool the W3MMD ?
- W3MMD doesn't work under special condition

if this is new in 3,41 (not happen in beta), then try send me one replay see if I can found anything (because I can parse them to view real W3MMD message)
 

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HuanAk said:
the log seen normal if it also happen in beta:
1, everytime it update, it will overwrite older value
2, if there are 8 player, you should get 8 copy of update for same value.

Because in warcraft 3, you can saved game for single player campaign, but some player try use those "save game" function for multiplayer(the result is W3MMD), but in multiplayer, everyone try send their data to host, so host received 6 copy of data. that is why your hostbot say "duplicate" or repeat "overwrite".
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Ah ok, I see. No, this also happened for beta games, just didnt notice before as I dont look at the log files so much. I guess I will rewrite the bot sourcecode then to not spam my log files :) So many messages on a single game.... phew, I will have TB of logs pretty soon :D
 

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phr33st00fpl0x said:
But if we remove the building's heal, does that mean we only get half the heal we are getting now from a priest in a fight?
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Heal has a range limit, the way I play the game, building far, I dont think building can heal my tank since healers are on 3rd lane or more, but can probably heal my ranged. This mean if you build your defense closer to entrance and healers on 2nd lane, they would be more effective. Anyway this will be fixed so no need to argue about it :p.


MastaKilla said:
I am just thinking about Lumber upGrades... so annoying when ppl wont understand that doing lumber upgrades in round 27 or so is no good.

What about binding availability of lumber upgrades to recommended value? Starting in round 21, only if mode is -li. Meaning they only can do further lumber upgrades if value >= recommended value


what do you think?
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Well yes and no, if they up lumberjack late game and reduce their value overall, its kinda their problem since they dont know how to play.
But on the other hand, this would increase by far the average length of games.
If there are more lvls on the new version then this mode could be usefull to test those new lvls. And again... if there are lets say 5 new lvls, this mean you should stop upgrades around lvl 25 instead of 21, if you want the highest value possible for the new last lvl.

I like the idea itself would just need some testing on what lvl it should start and what kind of value would be good for it, > or = seems good.

I'm also positive on keeping bonus gold on, just make new lvls much harder :p.
 

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MastaKilla said:
I am just thinking about Lumber upGrades... so annoying when ppl wont understand that doing lumber upgrades in round 27 or so is no good.

What about binding availability of lumber upgrades to recommended value? Starting in round 21, only if mode is -li. Meaning they only can do further lumber upgrades if value >= recommended value


what do you think?
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I think they know it is bad to upload lumberjack at lvl27.

but they want to show off "I have higher lumberjack than you".

now, with new score system, hopeful it will become "I have higher score than you"...and it is really hard to cheat for higher score (because it is average score from level 1 to current level)
 

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lots of people though 3.41 (B5) is more newer than 3.41...

they even ask me what do "beta" stand for.......

did I name beta in wrong way ? and for future, should I name it 3.5 (beta 1) or 3.49(beta1)
 

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HuanAk said:
lots of people though 3.41 (B5) is more newer than 3.41...

they even ask me what do "beta" stand for.......

did I name beta in wrong way ? and for future, should I name it 3.5 (beta 1) or 3.49(beta1)
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The way you're doing is the right way to do it, but 3.49(beta1) remove all doubts that 3.50 will be the new one.

I also saw on other maps, example for 3.50 (betas): 3.49.1 then 3.49.2 etc.
That way can also be confusing cause there's alot of numbers, but people would know for sure 3.50 is coming next.
 

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Hi,

lol .. like Albert Einstein once said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

Basically you're doing it right, Gazelle already said that. But it is seen quite some times that the alpha/beta development is done with a lower version number or even name (Windows Longhorn -> Windows Vista) and by pushing it to final status a new version number is picked. 3.42 beta1, 3.42 beta2.. -> 3.43 final

But that might mislead the normal "intelligent" people :D

You can't satisfy everyone.

But hm, I just realize.... You pushed 3.35 Betas up to 3.35 Beta15 or so .. and then released 3.4 final. 3.35 aint even in the changelog ;) I guess thats why people asking now. So yeah, develop on lower number and release final with higher number.

Greets,
MastaKilla
 

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Thanks for this finally playable version. The Merc bug isn't a big problem that prevents people from playing. This version is much harder and games usually end before or at 17. Most teams leak at 17 now, almost a definite if they get some hard summons.

Since it's pretty hard to get to 7/15 (if you're not Merc or super lucky Prophet/Hybrid, or fed like crazy by noobs leaking) now by early 20's, it's become a game of skill. Even with the income cap removed, it's pretty hard. Since you made level 3 harder, it has almost stopped the 3 or 4 worker builds by level 3.

bug? - The king says permanent immolation but he has no immolation.

-Not sure why Masta says playing Merc is lame. It's only lame if the Merc is fed. If not fed, Merc is a pretty hard to play race on the higher levels in 3.41.
 

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Food4Balance said:
Thanks for this finally playable version. The Merc bug isn't a big problem that prevents people from playing. This version is much harder and games usually end before or at 17. Most teams leak at 17 now, almost a definite if they get some hard summons.

Since it's pretty hard to get to 7/15 (if you're not Merc or super lucky Prophet/Hybrid, or fed like crazy by noobs leaking) now by early 20's, it's become a game of skill. Even with the income cap removed, it's pretty hard. Since you made level 3 harder, it has almost stopped the 3 or 4 worker builds by level 3.

bug? - The king says permanent immolation but he has no immolation.

-Not sure why Masta says playing Merc is lame. It's only lame if the Merc is fed. If not fed, Merc is a pretty hard to play race on the higher levels in 3.41.
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Yeah this version is harder, but 17 is a bit easier than on beta (3?) I think, noticed less players were leaking it.
Immolation on king is not like it was before, units wont get burn but will still lose hp and you can see a buff on units for immolation too.

Personnaly I dont see a single reason to play merc anymore, its weaker than it was so no switching race possible, and its boring as hell to play.
Also on late lvls, it cost so much wood to build than you get less wood than some normal players. Only usefull, and lame way to play it would be to save wood early to kill the other team (most effetive around 17/20 I guess).
AP mode is not used often anymore which solve that problem for me.
 

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There's a new version called Legion TD mega 9.99 beta 01
It's a hacked version of 3.35 beta 16 I think, start with 3k gold.
 

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I've done now quite some games and I think lvl 15 is too easy. It is outstands all the other rounds. Where 13,14 16 and all the other rounds seem appropriate, 15 feels too easy (I felt like that in many games).

Opinions? Comments? .. :)
 

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MastaKilla said:
I've done now quite some games and I think lvl 15 is too easy. It is outstands all the other rounds. Where 13,14 16 and all the other rounds seem appropriate, 15 feels too easy (I felt like that in many games).

Opinions? Comments? .. :)
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It same difficult as lvl14 base on test. (can kill with same value)

good time for people to catch up in value :)
 

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HuanAk said:
I saw someone research to 7/10, saved gold for 2-3 level. then changed builder around level 13-15.

I think it may work out better than wait untill 7/15 and change around level 17-20 ?
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Changed builder with or without leaks? If you stop lumberjack upgrade you can save more wood to switch race. Never tried it in new version since I'm not playing merc anymore, but I dont think that way is better than a normal defense since you can get 7/10 and higher with a normal defense and pretty much same value. By the time you switch race with merc, even with 7/10, without feed I believe you'll leak a few lvls until you catch back with income, unless you pick a race like nature. Usualy in those lvls by the time you "catch back" you lose alot of gold.

The way I see it, every lvl you play merc, you waste wood and gold, unless you can make more gold overall from income only. That last part is very hard, it was possible in 3.3 even with 7/15 but now people said merc is weaker (frenzy skill was removed or something), and its also more expensive, so I have no idea, but doubt its that good of a tactic.
 

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Gazelle said:
Changed builder with or without leaks? If you stop lumberjack upgrade you can save more wood to switch race. Never tried it in new version since I'm not playing merc anymore, but I dont think that way is better than a normal defense since you can get 7/10 and higher with a normal defense and pretty much same value. By the time you switch race with merc, even with 7/10, without feed I believe you'll leak a few lvls until you catch back with income, unless you pick a race like nature. Usualy in those lvls by the time you "catch back" you lose alot of gold.

The way I see it, every lvl you play merc, you waste wood and gold, unless you can make more gold overall from income only. That last part is very hard, it was possible in 3.3 even with 7/15 but now people said merc is weaker (frenzy skill was removed or something), and its also more expensive, so I have no idea, but doubt its that good of a tactic.
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at level 14/15, you only need 3k value to defend, and you should have 200 income, with +50 every level.

or

you can wait untill level 20, which need 6k value, mean you need to save extra 3k, but you will have 7/15 instead of 7/10, and +70 income per level

It is just an idea because I don't play enough merc to find out
 

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HuanAk said:
lots of people though 3.41 (B5) is more newer than 3.41...

they even ask me what do "beta" stand for.......

did I name beta in wrong way ? and for future, should I name it 3.5 (beta 1) or 3.49(beta1)
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Call the Betas 3.45 beta X and the stable version 3.5 or in this case the betas 3.41 beta X and the stable one 3.42 or somewhat else.
 

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HuanAk said:
at level 14/15, you only need 3k value to defend, and you should have 200 income, with +50 every level.

or

you can wait untill level 20, which need 6k value, mean you need to save extra 3k, but you will have 7/15 instead of 7/10, and +70 income per level

It is just an idea because I don't play enough merc to find out
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On 3.3, with 7/15 I was able save 4k gold or a bit less for lvl 17-18, and I was building every lvl the minimum cost on tower (tier1 for most lvls).
I tried merc a few times on betas the way it is now but with frenzy on.
You need alot of gold, and more and more every lvl to build, dont think you can save 6k gold for lvl 20 anymore especialy with 7/15 maybe with 7/10?.
But the more lvl you keep merc, the more wood go to waste so you have to swtich as soon as possible, lvl 20 is a bit late in my opinion.
To get only 4k value you need what? at least 300 gold spend and more on wood.
From what I remember I had like 2-3k gold at 20, didnt build any tier 4 since its too expensive, ofc problably didnt had the perfect defense but better than what I seen so far.

Edit: One more thing about the way you write the betas, the problem is that on warcraft 3 folder, 3.41 is before the betas. So people will keep hosting 3.41 beta 5 I think....
 

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I just tried playing merc on beta 5, is it same as 3.41?

Had no idea it was sooooo weak now... funny how everytime a unit seems good to cost go up and up now it was tier 2. Then maybe tier 3 ...?

I stoped lumberjack at 7/10 got some fed, leaked some so overall was about even. And at lvl 13 I had 1100 gold [Edit: 1100 gold was actualy at lvl 14 tried is again on version 3.41 this time], was only able to switch race at lvl 18, and with alot of leaks, kept leaking until lvl 21 (with ghost) but I had 14700 value at lvl 28 since my team started failing.
I dont think I have the "best" tactic but I have a good one and yet was only able to get 7/10 after lvl 10.

Also after I switched race, if I wanted I could've switch back to merc every single lvl even at 28 when I was over value, probably a bug.
 
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havn't played new Merc yet. I want to try :

1, change builder after arena, with 7/10 and around 300-500 gold
2, change builder after level 14/15 with 7/10 and 1k gold

not sure if it have better result than 7/15 & changed after level 17/18
 

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HuanAk said:
havn't played new Merc yet. I want to try :

1, change builder after arena, with 7/10 and around 300-500 gold
2, change builder after level 14/15 with 7/10 and 1k gold

not sure if it have better result than 7/15 & changed after level 17/18
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On new version if you get 7/10, fastest is after lvl 10. So if you switch you get more like 100-200 gold but here's a way:
Make towers for lvl 11 and switch race that same lvl and start building, like that you wont leak 11 and then get about 300-500 gold. But you'll leak for a while after. Best for now was 7/10 after lvl 10 and wait at 18.

Is it on purpose than if you have merc, switch race, switch back to merc you cant switch anymore? Instead maybe you should just disable merc switch if you pick merc at start.
 

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Gazelle said:
On new version if you get 7/10, fastest is after lvl 10. So if you switch you get more like 100-200 gold but here's a way:
Make towers for lvl 11 and switch race that same lvl and start building, like that you wont leak 11 and then get about 300-500 gold. But you'll leak for a while after. Best for now was 7/10 after lvl 10 and wait at 18.

Is it on purpose than if you have merc, switch race, switch back to merc you cant switch anymore? Instead maybe you should just disable merc switch if you pick merc at start.
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After lvl 10, I get 9/10, sometimes 10/10. I always get 15/15 after lvl 14.
 

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toasted said:
Goliath gives armor to enemies, too. I guess this is a mistake?

Cluster Rockets deal no damage.

If you change builder, you can get your old one; i would change this.
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there are 2 difference 3.41.

one leaked version have Goliath aura bug (only 5 people get this version)

real version download from here without bug.


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I was hosting 3.41 to play before upload, and I told them don't host this untill I give them real 3.41 ...
 

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Leaking lvl 2 with warchielf and aqua, rly annoying :/

Warchielf should pulverize every 5 attacks, you should'nt leak if you're rly unlucky especialy with req value and good towers for that lvl.
If the other team send hermit you will still leak but without hermit it shouldn't be possible to leak.

Towers like wolverines are fine with % of chance since if you leak lvl 10 by example, well its because you were under value and had no other boss killers. But this is totaly different from leaking a lvl with req value and good towers early game.
 

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Gazelle said:
Leaking lvl 2 with warchielf and aqua, rly annoying :/

Warchielf should pulverize every 5 attacks, you should'nt leak if you're rly unlucky especialy with req value and good towers for that lvl.
If the other team send hermit you will still leak but without hermit it shouldn't be possible to leak.

Towers like wolverines are fine with % of chance since if you leak lvl 10 by example, well its because you were under value and had no other boss killers. But this is totaly different from leaking a lvl with req value and good towers early game.
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I will explain why you leaked(and should leak) :

Warchielf = 200dmg, 1.5 speed ==> 133dps

but Warchielf at level 1 = 35dmg, 1.5speed ==> 23dps (because creep only have 35hp? )

Orc Warrior = 20 gold, 10dps
2x Orc warrior = 40 gold 20dps
3x Orc Warrior = 60 gold 30dps

now, you can buy more dps from 60 gold than spent 300 gold on Warchielf .
 

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^warchief is used by some people at start for pulverize. It's a useless ability after lv3 anyways. I do think Gazelle makes a point.
I personally don't like warchief and its upgrade, especially after the storm bolt (and hp?) nerf and the fact that lv28 do freakin' siege damage now. Just way too overpriced for their performance.
 

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HuanAk said:
I will explain why you leaked(and should leak) :

Warchielf = 200dmg, 1.5 speed ==> 133dps

but Warchielf at level 1 = 35dmg, 1.5speed ==> 23dps (because creep only have 35hp? )

Orc Warrior = 20 gold, 10dps
2x Orc warrior = 40 gold 20dps
3x Orc Warrior = 60 gold 30dps

now, you can buy more dps from 60 gold than spent 300 gold on Warchielf .
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Warchief still has better dps with his ability. Deal 30 dmg to all units around it, on lvl 1, can deal 30 x 36 = 1080dmg or lets say 30 x 15 = 450dmg "supposedly every 5 attacks".
So with prophet if I get no interresting towers but warchielf I have to re roll since its too risky?
Because of lvl 28, I dont up warchielf anymore, still very good tank for the cost and the ability is rly usefull past lvl 3 just not as obvious as in early game.
Btw I used warchielf in games here a there after 3.3 and its the first time it happened to me since then, just thought I would point it out. The number of times it will happen is low, but annoying enough to mess up a game, you leak more than half the lvl when it happens...
More than half towers in Legion TD mega are useless, just trying to save some of them.

If you dont agree its ok I'll just stop using this tower early game. Just as I stoped using more than half towers.
What I also noticed about this version, is that the reduced number of effetive towers reduce the amount of effective tactics and reduce the amount time you can play the game without being bored lol.
Maybe its because I played too much, but I think many units should be reworked to increase the amount of possibilities.

Anyway I think 3.41 is the best and most playable version since 3.3 and I realize you spent alot of time on it and probably dont have enough time to rework that many units.
 

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You cant rly use dps like this to consider how strong a unit is though.

Lets take by example violet: 70dps + 3 gust of 10 dmg every sec, so 100dps (a bit more since some of it is spell dmg)

A unit that cost 230gold, has 850hp, 70dps and 30 spell dps would seems like a very good unit. Sadly in x3 this unit should've been modified.
The more creeps there are, the less "blue wind" is effective. Since its not direct dmg, it dmg random creeps everywhere, meaning instead of killing them one by one, it weaken them all. Creeps are not dying so they have time to deal much more dmg.
This is why if you try a defense lets say mudman and violet, you wont be able to stay under value as you would with other tactics, since that unit is too weak in x3.
I remember in x1 violets combined with oceanus was one of the best defense to get rly high income, now its just rly bad.
Something similar is happening with harpy, attacking as many units as possible to poison them instead of killing them.
 

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Will you consider the option to be able to give orders to our defenders? Like, "engage at will" or "keep ranged distance" or "hold this position" etc.. It'll considerably enhance the strategy factor, race difference and will justify harder enemies..

Is it too hard to implement on this game? Any thoughts?
 

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Yeah or something like. attack weakest/nearest/summons/demon ! :D
Or retreat at low health. That would be really freaky ^^
 

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Gazelle said:
Because of lvl 28, I dont up warchielf anymore, still very good tank for the cost and the ability is rly usefull past lvl 3 just not as obvious as in early game.
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Funny how you also said Violet is weak because of its damage being spread apart.

Now what? The Warchief does 30/1.5*20%= 4 dps in a very small area, air units excluded. How is that any close to being "useful" past level 3, when one pulverize only hits 3 units instead of 20? At least the Violet can sit at backrow and do guranteed damage with its phoenix fire, the Warchief can't even land its hits well against ranged enemies, due to bad melee AI.
 
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Gazelle said:
You cant rly use dps like this to consider how strong a unit is though.

Lets take by example violet: 70dps + 3 gust of 10 dmg every sec, so 100dps (a bit more since some of it is spell dmg)

A unit that cost 230gold, has 850hp, 70dps and 30 spell dps would seems like a very good unit.
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I always use dps/cost & HP/cost ratio to decide if that unit is good or bad.


violet dps ratio = 100dps/230 gold = 0.43 => above average
Violet HP ratio = 850/230 x 0.1 = 0.37 ==> poor

usually :
0-0.35 = useless
0.35-0.4 = poor
0.4 = average
0.45 = good
0.5 = very good

for Mudman:
Hp ratio = very good
dps = poor/average
overall = good

for Oceana:
HP = poor/useless
Dps = very good
overall = good/above average
 

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Piranha89 said:
Please fix dragon's turn rate and attack point. They are almost unable to attack cause they turn and prepare for attack all the time without actually shooting a single time.
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if you played Dota, you will know Twin head Dragon have faster turn rate than most of other hero.

but it still make you "feel" it turn slow, but it is not. because the model look 10x bigger than other.

in 3.4/3.41, all dragon have 0.1 turn rate/attack point.
 

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mala_fatt said:
Will you consider the option to be able to give orders to our defenders? Like, "engage at will" or "keep ranged distance" or "hold this position" etc.. It'll considerably enhance the strategy factor, race difference and will justify harder enemies..

Is it too hard to implement on this game? Any thoughts?
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after wave start, all fighters change owner to "East Legion" or "West Legion", so it not longer belong to player and you can't control it.

if player can control it, then someone will move fighter around and "kite" the creep for hours without leaked, while other player have to waiting for hours per wave.
 

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mightym8 said:
Yeah or something like. attack weakest/nearest/summons/demon ! :D
Or retreat at low health. That would be really freaky ^^
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every unit have "priority" value set by me, this value is used by AI to decide which target to attack.

summon used to be high and die first, now I set them same as creep so range summon usually die last.

retreat is silly, because it will cause lots of uncertain, include pathing/stuck problem
 
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