Europe: The Art of War

[Gallin]

If your already doing supplies for ships I don't see it that much if a stretch to do it for land units too.

 

[SasuhKun]

Ships have a way greater need of supplies than armies, since armies just pass through cities all the time.

 

[Gallin]

I dont think people are just giving away their food to all those soldiers who just conquered their city

 

[Reaper51]

Well the soldiers can just take whatever they want cuz they just conquered the city...

 

[SasuhKun]

Yeah. Either way, Goffterdom decides. I just don't know why he did not mention a single thing about that.

 

[Gallin]

Well the soldiers can just take whatever they want cuz they just conquered the city...

Sure that could be a choose but they would serverly hurt your popularity in the city and surrounding area driving the population to rebellions perhaps. So while you can just have your men pillage the land for food and such it would benefit you to bring supplies with you.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

So you'll get food while pillaging too?

 

[SasuhKun]

Of course you do!

How do you think the Crusaders actually made it so far?

Gallin, there already is a system like that, and it already penalize the so called "popularity" (Actually, the population itself) when they're affected by war and so on.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

But will the food be wc3's food?

 

[SasuhKun]

That I don't really know, ask Goffterdom. Although it is a good idea... Instead of capping the army in food that each unit represents, make a somewhat different system, that drains or add food... Well, dunno.

 

[Reaper51]

maybe something similar to lords of europe?

 

[Nightblade]

If you are going to make custom food,I suggest draining food for each city controlled?with a ration system

 

[SasuhKun]

Something similar to LoE IS wc3 food. Except the cap is 300 instead of just 100.

Edit: Goffterdom, what's next on your to-brainstorm list?

 

[Goffterdom]

Hey guys.
I have only one day of work remaining. I will have two free days so I hope I will be able to work a bit on the map in order to post screenshots.

But then I'll be off for one week or more (probably ten days), I'll probably brainstorm a lot but I may not be able to log on the hive.

 

[SasuhKun]

Understood. As long as you don't disappear all over again, anything works. You did not answer the question though...

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... Or it could be the custom text resource system used in Space Command.

 

[SasuhKun]

Ahn... Guys? Goffterdom?

 

[Goffterdom]

Info incoming.

 

[SasuhKun]

Woot. You almost startled me there... Don't vanish again D:

Well, what are the most problematic issues now?

 

[Gallin]

Ya theres nothing really to post until something is made

 

[Goffterdom]

The issues were still the same: I didnt know how to forge my resource and trade system (among other none fixed things). I think I came up with something interesting, I just need to clean it all and I would be able to make a real and complete map description.

The point in making this map description is that it's not only advertising for hive people, it is also a kind of a to-do list for me (with a lot of informations).

Unfortunately there wont be screenshots for now (apart from those I already posted early on).

About food I'm not certain if there will be a food limit, it's kinda opposed to the general idea of the map. About food and rations, I dont think I will add such a system, too much to handle in addition to warfare, popularity and trade.

I'll edit the first post between today and tomorrow I hope.

 

[Gallin]

But a large part of warfare is keeping your armies supplied. It is what makes invasions hards. Its destroyed countless armies.

 

[Goffterdom]

A large part of the warfare is to know what type of units to make, to know what positions to take or to hold, when to back, where to strike, how to use your heroes and high ranked units...

So there already are a lot of things for the player to pay attention to.

 

[SasuhKun]

It is quite simple to resolve the food problem. Increase max morale for all units, however give them a buff named "Hunger" which drains morale from them. When near cities, these would have a buff named Food or something that would compensate the buff Hunger. The problem is, at sometime the city usually runs out of food, so... Well, it is the best solution I've found.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... Is there a way to increase the Warcraft III 300 Food limit?

 

[SasuhKun]

There are some problems with no food. First, there's a point in which it lags too much. Second, it is sometimes unrealistic. Third, powerful nations are not "capped" by food. Fourth, space, although that could be resolved with lesser collision.

Something that could resolve that is upkeep. Although I freaking hate upkeep.

 

[Gallin]

Or perhaps supplies could solve all of those problems because one would not be able supply the large armies. Thus limiting the amount of units someone would have while making it seem like you haven't.

 

[SasuhKun]

Doesn't help just saying that supplies would solve, if you don't say HOW would they work. Besides, what do you think upkeep is for?

 

[Nightblade]

I for one disagree withsupplies for land units.TOo much of a hassle

 

[SasuhKun]

That's why the morale solution. Realistic and practical.

 

[Nightblade]

Yeah.you always get overboard with ideas on how to make the game 'more realistic' when making a map.But Gameplay > Realism anywhere,like it or not.

Oh,and Sasuhkun,grtaz on the green gem

 

[SasuhKun]

Oh, didn't notice. Yeah, Green gem!

Well, believe me, I've discussed the matters Gameplay > Realism a thousand times with many people about LoE. Still, it is just a brief and simple solution, if Goffterdom plans to add anything like that.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... So there'll still be a little bit of realism?

 

[SasuhKun]

Of course, but only enough so it won't interfere in gameplay.

 

[Goffterdom]

Yo hey ho.

Some news.

I finished brainstorming about Resources and Trade. I'm still busy so I didnt take the time to make all the descriptions, but I actually think I will have some free time soon.

I feel like I always say that but my life is kinda in a rush atm, so sorry if I look inactive. I'm not.

I think I will follow your lead, and try to release a pre-pre-beta map with the basic concepts of tree-tech, garrison and moral system warfare. To try things out. And then try to implement systems one by one.

 

[SasuhKun]

See, I told ya it was a good idea. Just don't host pubbies with it, cause people would have criticisms already about the lacking of a thousand of things and begin to hate the name and not try the game even after all the testing versions. Try to keep it between friends or something, although it is a bit hard to fill a fh like that. Still.

 

[Gallin]

Or perhaps release it under a different name all together as to not taint the brand

 

[Goffterdom]

If we run some tests we dont need full house.

We can play between hive members for instance, with you

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... Tests alone?

 

[SasuhKun]

Kind of hard, but possible. We would have to join the same server, and join virtually the same time, converting GMT and shit. But, possible.

 

[James7]

I'd help.

 

[SasuhKun]

One more player! Well, let's see... Assuming everyone of us that are rather active in the thread can play at some absurd time at each weekend to test it, we have Goffterdom, me, James, Foxy, Gallin, Nightblade, and maybe Tleno, Reaper51 and Chizume. That's 9. WOOHOO. Well, we just have to warn everyone now and see who can do... everything mentioned above. Maybe not all the weekends, just twice per month... Oh well.

Edit: Maybe 10 if Trillium join us as well. His name is Trillium, right? I forgot D:

 

[James7]

Depends on when we play too. Need to set a time and date. Not too too far in the future that people forget but give enough time for people to plan for it.

 

[SasuhKun]

That's why I said the absurd time on a weekend! :B
Well, we still have to contact everyone. I'm pretty much always available at weekends, all day long with some few exceptions, which I'll note first so that another time in the same weekend can be arranged. My GMT is -3. Everyone which wants to help Goff testing should put their GMT, and their time available in said weekend. As I've stated above, I'm pretty much adaptable, so no problems there. Although there can't be a rematch if it ends up being too late for me (02 am or something, 'cause at SOME point I must sleep!)

Until wednesday (since at least here it is 23:04 monday), all people that visit this thread regularly will propably see what we're combining here and write their GMT and available time at the weekend. If anything, we just contact everyone else through public message asking if they are interested in beta testing the map, and if yes, to make the same procedure as the others here on the thread.

Also, Goff, you should put Gallin and Trillium (if I'm correct... Too lazy to check the Ideas Brainstorming thread) on your credits list. Well, maybe other people if they contributed enough.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Terrain screenshots would be nice

 

[Nightblade]

GMT +5:30,but cant come on bnet..kinda hard to explain the reason.Ill play on gameranger tho.

 

[SasuhKun]

He already posted all the available terrain screenshots. And Foxy, you forgot to say your GMT and time (if you plan to help testing)

 

[Gallin]

Ya I live on the east coast which would make me what GMT time? Also I was wondering what particular strategy will people have to employ besides just training a diverse range of units.

 

[SasuhKun]

Basicly what I've been saying a lot of time now: Actually employing some practical strategy, like a strategical environment, position of the soldiers, good use of their abilities and stats, etc.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm... Now that I think of it, my schedule seems kind of tight this year, maybe I'll just watch and see how it goes, for now.