[Coding] Essential Map Systems

[Doomlord]

List all the required systems for an AoS here then we will divide the work among the coders. I will update this post to include all suggestions below. The format is <System> - <Coder> - <Status>. Here is what we have so far:

• Income System - edo494 - Completed
• Command System - Almia - Completed
• Dummy Recycler with Instant Facing - Almia - Completed
• Multiboard System - gorillabull - In Progress
• Item Ownership/Restriction System (Details) - Spartipilo - In Progress
• Hero Selection System - Pending
• Custom Attack and Resistance System - edo494 - In Progress
• Custom Energy System - Doomlord - Pending
• Creep System - Almia - On Hold
• Boost/Respawn System (Details) - Creep System Member

 

[Almia]

How about our Missile System?

 

[Doomlord]

We are still not in agreement about that. Since there may be various ways to use a missile, I suggest that we create modular components that will allow the spell to be efficient as if it is a Missile System.

 

[Almia]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=lwtmz5
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=0mc381

If you didn't notice in-case

 

[edo494]

Almia, would you mind me rewriting it to vJass(vrwrapping it to Library keyword, changing some constant functions to constant globals) just so its bit easier to implement?

No touches to the code itself are guaranteed

 

[Doomlord]

Btw edo please wrap the Linked List table too. Thank you.

Main post updated.

 

[Spartipilo]

The Multiboard System
Item Ownership System
Hero Selection System
Damage Detection/Manipulation System

 

[Doomlord]

I propose that we use either StructuredDD by Cokemonkey11 or lfh's PDD. It is ill-advised to reinvent the wheel.

Main post updated.

 

[Almia]

@edo
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@Doomlord
How about using Linked List module instead of Linked List Table?
Also, I suggest using Nes DDS, though too complicated. Cokemonkey's a bit buggy so I'll go with lfh's(because it is the original )

I'll go with the Hero Selection. If it uses DGUI-like looks.

edit
if that's the case edo, use Dummy by Nes or MissileRecycler by Bribe.
ModeManager of Magtheridon against my Command.

My test maps has much better implemenation due to that I created a trigger with variables in it so that you can import it that easily.

 

[Doomlord]

I don't know really. You guys are the vJASS whizzes, not me X)

 

[edo494]

dont worry Spartipilo, if it requires no modifications of algorithms or function names and stuff like that, then it takes maybe minute to convert to vJass

I have idea of system that I wanted to make, but never got passion to do it. It would make the spells and stuff like that more varying, and it is Custom Attack type and Custom Resistence system.
If you ever played Torchlight, you will be familiar with this.
You basically have(in Torchlight 2 at least) Ice armor, Fire armor, Poison armor, Lightning armor and you have Ice damage, Fire damage, Poison damage and Lightning damage and when you hit your opponent with something that deals fire damage, you have % chance that the target will burn over 2 seconds for like 30% of the damage dealt(so you deal 130% damage basically).

I have it in my mind already and it would be so modular that you could change effects during runtime, so first 10 minutes the fire attack would deal 30% additional damage, next 10 mionutes it could do something totally different.

Also The more Fire armor you have, the less chance that the fire thingy will proc and the less damage you will take from it, basically more armor you have == lower effects on you for that type

 

[Doomlord]

Awesome idea! Double T-up for this.

Added to main post.

 

[Doomlord]

I am thinking about working on a Custom Energy System. Basically it is like Fury or sth in Diablo 3. Unit cast spells from a custom energy type that can regenerate too. It could also enhance spells in a way. Just a concept at the moment Approvable?

Oh and can we use my Custom Stat System here? I want your opinions.

 

[Almia]

Custom Attack is the hardest library relating to units that you can imagine. This will allow you to calculate attack animations, homing missiles and such. I have no experience in making a Warcraft 3-like homing missiles. Trust me,even Nestharus can't make one(even though we knew he could)

 

[Doomlord]

I don't think he mean that kind of Attack system.

 

[edo494]

I mean damage enhancement system.

But I was brainstorming and I think it would be a bit hard to do, you would either have to say every unit has 0 damage + the types, or the types would be virtual and add up to the damage, with spells its not problem, but auto-attacks may be :/

I will do my best nevertheless

 

[Almia]

AH Custom Attack Type. hmmm.
Anyways,I think Element can be useful in this map. Want to check this out:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=yn0l28
Though Bribe's DDS is drunk

 

[Doomlord]

Err guys? How about my post?

 

[Almia]

Hmmm, good. But we must have a name for that energy. Protein or Iron or Vitamin perhaps.

 

[Doomlord]

Okay lol. Will work on it

 

[edo494]

the energy is good idea as well, but that would most likely require to create all spells with triggers because how will you check if he has enough energy to use it? and if you are going to modify mana, you will have to replace all AoE mana replanishments with triggers, so you wouldnt regenerate mana for the unit that has "rage" or w/e

 

[Doomlord]

I have some basic ideas with hashtable and a timer. I am yet to test the spells and stuffs because it is only an idea

I am thinking of a good way to tell players how much energy they have. Perhaps periodic floating texs and another one upon spell cast?

 

[edo494]

you could just make one floating text that is only visible to the player(so others wont have spammed screen) and make it fly next to the unit(update its position depending on where unit is)

 

[Doomlord]

Nice idea. Thanks. Noted down.

 

[Spartipilo]

I'm not sure about the DGUI thing... it takes a lot of scripts, models, trackables, and stuff. most people is used to Dota's system; haven't heard about anyone complaining. Almost 100% of wc3 maps uses that system (unless you want the "Walk inside the circle" thing)

Have you played Dota's Viper? He has an ability that charges up when near players get damage. You could use that as "rage", without disabling mana

 

[Doomlord]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells-569/jass-custom-stat-system-css-v1-5g-229885/

Guys, can we use my system above for the map? I could optimize it to remove the unnecessary stuffs.

 

[edo494]

could you vm me a little documentation on how to use? I know it is useful stuff, you even asked me for some advices when it was before release but I dont know the API

 

[Doomlord]

I thought I included a ton in the thread >.>

 

[edo494]

I see API is pretty simple, even tho I have a bit of problem with functions that have a lot of arguments, but meh thats not problem.

 

[DivineLight]

Item Ownership System - how that work? if it's simple i can make it
Hero Selection System - is this like when we Select hero we played as that hero?

 

[Felipe Gormadoc]

OMG OMG OMG i have one perfect hero select system done

see: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...v1-3-a-230792/?prev=search=felipe&d=list&r=20

 

[edo494]

its maybe something like DOTA's hero selection, or something better(not limited to taverns)

 

[Doomlord]

@Divine Light: A player cannot pick up an item of another player. Allies can share some items but cannot pawn it. In a nutshell, DotA items' stuffs.

@edo494: Thanks

@Felipe: We are yet to decide about the hero selection system.

 

[Almia]

How about my Many in One Tavern? Similar to my Compressed Tavern System

 

[Doomlord]

We are polling this then.

 

[Almia]

I shall work for the Creep System,though I need the map to be finished first. I will implement a Wave Path proof algorithm similar to DotA's, where creeps will return to their lanes.

 

[Doomlord]

Nice. Updated main post.

 

[Almia]

Actually, I need the map objects and terrains to be finished. My Creep System uses Unit in Range event.

 

[Doomlord]

Alright. Status set to On Hold.

 

[edo494]

Ok, so I decided that to bigest benefit and simplificity, I will make the resistances system in a way that autoattacks will be normal attacks and only spells will have the possibility to deal enchanced type damages, but may still deal normal spell damage.

Almia I must ask, what are the bugs with StructuredDD?

 

[Spartipilo]

I don't know how to call it, but there should be, besides an Item Ownership system, an Item Restriction system: Make them undropable when in cooldown, and some of them broke or melt (i saw an icecream around there) or has to charge again, etc.

So, a system that handles the item in cases where they shouldn't be dropped, where they're shared, where they "broke" or "disable".

 

[Doomlord]

Fair enough. Updated main post.

 

[Almia]

Check it's cons perhaps. I know it is buggy. I can't remember.
Let's just use the original one, Nes DDS is also buggy.

 

[DivineLight]

@Divine Light: A player cannot pick up an item of another player. Allies can share some items but cannot pawn it. In a nutshell, DotA items' stuffs.

A player from team 1 cannot pick up an item of another player from team 2, right?
oh, and if you want text like dota

This item is no belongs to you

we have to make two items

 

[Doomlord]

Yes they can. I forgot to add that it applies only to players on the same team.

 

[DivineLight]

don't understand

 

[Doomlord]

Nvm really. You are not doing the coding after all

 

[DivineLight]

want me coding? so this project can finished faster

 

[Doomlord]

We are doing really fast now on the coding. Besides, we demand quality. Do you have what it takes?

 

[DivineLight]

nah, i'm kidding with you but if i can help for finish faster i'll gladly help..
besides i like to see when this finished