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Old 08-03-2008, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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What if passive abilities combine?

example:

Bash - 20 damage - 20% chance
Critical Damage - 2x damage - 15% chance

If those two were in a hero?

and

example:

Critical Damage1 - 2x damage - 15% chance
Critical Damage2 - 2x damage - 45% chance

Would their chances stack?
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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they dont comibe by default but each other has its own chance and damage
so 2 critical strikes may trigger at same time
and chance to trigger at least one critical strike is
chance1+chance2 - chance1*chance2 (like one is %40 and other one is %50 you get %70 chance <0.40+0.50-0.40*0.50 = 0.70> and %20 chance to have both triggered)

But you can make custom things like that
a custom critical strike and some item or ability that increases its chance or something

BTW there is a weird bug with those chances
like when you get too many critical strike abilities some of them stops working
(I saw at Enfos I got 6 critical strike items and my heroes critical ability stopped working)
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Each is rolled on separatly. The same goes for evasion I think. Basically, each does not interfear with eachother at all. I am not sure about evasion but for bash and critical stike this is definate.

However if 2 critical strikes occur at once, I think they multiply each other for the end damage and thus two 4* crit at the same time will not make an 8* crit but would make an 16* crit which would be insainly strong. The text would also mess up as the second crit is placed emidatly over the first.
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i dont think they multiply together if it occurs at once, instead they would stack damage.
i.e. i hit 200! and then a 300! then it would be 500!
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What the hell are you talking about?
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ah forget it. i dont feel needed when huurka says something like that and i look at his/her avatar.
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@ Huurka: let's imagine we have:

100% chance to crit * 2
100% chance to crit * 3

You do 100 damage. Both crits are triggered. The question is if the red popup messages will show:
200! and 300! or rather simply 500! (the sum of both crit damages)
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actually... 200! and 300! will show up at the same time, so it looks like scribbles.
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If you have them triggered, yes.
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I saw in a hero defense one time that the highest crtitical strike took place. The damage was around 5000, the first critical ability was x2, the second x4 and the unit's damage was around 20000 (no damagebonus items). So therefroe i don't think that they stack ^^
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They definatly do stack. DBZ supreme RPG proved it but weather they multiple each other or add I am not sure.
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okay, i just tested this in a dummy map

for some reason, my guy would have a 600 mark above his head, but deal 300 damage when attacking(he had 100% chance to do 2x and 100% chance to do 3x, 99 base damage, 1 dice and 1 side per dice)

he had Piercing Attack Type and was attacking a Large Armor Typed unit with 0 armor

i checked the damage by looking at his hp and by having a Unit Takes Damage trigger that would give a message saying how much damage taking

but for some reason, that 600 mark showed up, but also something behind it
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And um, why not chaos?

Also you forgot to mention the unit's base damage.
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BTW there is a weird bug with those chances
like when you get too many critical strike abilities some of them stops working
(I saw at Enfos I got 6 critical strike items and my heroes critical ability stopped working)
Anyone knows something about this btw ?
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Yes, the critical strike would stop displaying floating text due to there being too many at once. I think the limate is simlar to the trigger one and may be part of it even.
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