Mod Suggestion

The whole map moderation system is flawed. We get like 15-30 maps a day which if someone moderated 3 a day we would be lucky. It would mean we would need 5-10 map moderators to moderate all the maps if they moderate 3 a day which is not easy for them often. Thus we would need 10-20 inorder to even near meet the number of maps per day as not all are active every day. This is an insane number.

Thus an idea I thought of was what if moderation was left to the people. Not physically, but they are encouraged to report posts with possiable rep awards if they find something that violates a rule in a map submission. Also a review system would let members submit reviews of a map to a map if they want to (again which could be reported if they violate rules by other users). This would mean that the ammount of moderating that map moderators need to do would be reduced to quick glances over the map section and dealing with all the reported content.

Originally Posted by MasterHaosis

Well Griffen you are right for some things but for many you aren't. Actually it is true no one is above law. But man noone gives shit for my, your or anyone's map. So what he will restrict you deleting your own maps, and in name of law you will report him, and what will happen? They will close site, but actually they can't cause it's private server, so what will happen then; cops will come in Denmark and arrest Ralle right? No even Hive break rules, I doubt someone will give shit for maps. Because those things are resources man, go back and speak ,,noone is above law'' in real life. What would write in report: ,,Hey they break law they restrict us form deleting our own resources''. And when they read that word ,,resources'' they will ignore such messages. Because noone gives shit for that. You really think someone is gonna close site for this? So it means Hive has right to restrict people of deleting maps and resources, if anyone don't agree well you always can move at site where you can delete your own resources and where ,,no one is above law''.
Ralle man, quickly run, watch yourself man, cops will arrest you in the middle of class if you restrict people deleting their resources! ahahahahah sweet dreams! Just keep making fun here, people here have serious job how to manage this site in chaos and someone here connects laws and Maps that's funny haha.

Ha, ISPs would prefer to cover their own asses than cover Ralle's ass. And even if they were to be jackasses about their legal responsibilities, it wouldn't matter that much since modding sites that do shit like that become pariahs, and very rapidly die.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

Ha, ISPs would prefer to cover their own asses than cover Ralle's ass. And even if they were to be jackasses about their legal responsibilities, it wouldn't matter that much since modding sites that do shit like that become pariahs, and very rapidly die.

Naturally, I do not think a website could die rapidly just because of the implementation of such a system. But, there is a small possibility of getting more support from people as this could ensure the site run smoothly and make it much convenient when a person try to search resources.

Could we please drop the whole copyright law thing? It hardly has anything to do with this topic. We were looking for solutions to reduce the stacking of resources and such.
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I'll make a small list of what actions we could undertake for the moment untill there are more mods.

- This happend once before if I recall correctly: removing all pending resources unless the owner re-uploads it so that it wont be deleted. This will delete a decent amount of maps that were just uploaded and never looked back at in my opinion.

- Users may only upload maps (and other resources) that are properly working and have been tested, if they need it to be tested they can go to the forum tread, map recruitment (for maps that is) and request people to test it. This will reduce the amount of maps aswell since a high amount of alpha's, beta's and noob maps wont be uploaded.

- Remove the download button for users, (idc about the whole copyright thing because:)
people can still request for their map to be removed if they have a valid reason.
Valid reasons will not include: I want to reupload the map for better scores.
(This is just one of the many stupid reasons, people.. why remove a resource? If it's bad, though luck and don't upload bad maps, you can always update it. If it's good... well, why should somebody want to remove their good maps unless their are completely retarded?)

- More moderators (yeh you propably saw that once comming), go and look for possible candidates, there are bound to be at least 2 or 3. They are just hiding in the shadows or are to busy not being noticed. =P
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All moderators and important people that supported the hive should gather somewhere (a tread idc) and work this out before the hive starts to die.

Also, Ralle needs to take these points into consideration because he is by far the leading factor as far as I know. If he does not want to listen the moderators should make him aware of the problems a bit more.

~ Airandius

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

Ha, ISPs would prefer to cover their own asses than cover Ralle's ass. And even if they were to be jackasses about their legal responsibilities, it wouldn't matter that much since modding sites that do shit like that become pariahs, and very rapidly die.

Hey man I don't understand, can ISP close Hive or any modding site even it is private server like Ralle's in this case? And why anyone should close Hive for restricting people to delete their own resources, because Hive didn't invented this, VBulletin did that, they made option to restrict people of deleting their resources, so that's why it is so complicated situation. Vbulletin will still protect Hive because Ralle pays for this site still, only server is in his room. That's why I think there is no way to punish Hive for that only. Site must gonna really in bad way to deal with it, not just problem with resources.

I guess the best way to do this would like having helpers and so...

Also griffen, wtf is your problem? it's a game people play it because they like it and it's fun, not to go and whine about "THATS COPYRIGHT!". Remember that you was the one to upload it in the first place.

And stop being so arrogant and think Hive is just a little tool in your "almighty plan to control WC3"

Now, back to topic, I like the idea of the mini-mods/judges whatever you now like to call em, but having several guys helping would make it better for the mod.

Oh, and yes it takes time to approve a map, the mods has to play it, and to get a real game expirence you need to play a fullhouse (or the max number of players needed for the map), and the mods should not be arses towards some types of maps. If the mod simply dont like that type of map he should either give it a chance or just let another moderator do it (I think this is not really acceptable for a map moderator.. but not my call).

~XX_Noob

Man that was awesome high quality post! Also nice ideas about maps

Originally Posted by Xx_Noob

Oh, and yes it takes time to approve a map, the mods has to play it, and to get a real game expirence you need to play a fullhouse (or the max number of players needed for the map), and the mods should not be arses towards some types of maps. If the mod simply dont like that type of map he should either give it a chance or just let another moderator do it (I think this is not really acceptable for a map moderator.. but not my call).

That is the whole reason there are (supposed) to be multiple map moderators with their own tastes. If a certain mod simply does not enjoy a genre, how can they possibly know whether or not the map is fun on an objective level? That's right, they can't, so one (the hive in this case) introduces multiple map moderators with different tastes to compensate. Works nicely as it is, the problem arises when there aren't enough map moderators or they all have the same tastes.

Originally Posted by Xx_Noob

Also griffen, wtf is your problem? it's a game people play it because they like it and it's fun, not to go and whine about "THATS COPYRIGHT!". Remember that you was the one to upload it in the first place.

And stop being so arrogant and think Hive is just a little tool in your "almighty plan to control WC3"

Please keep your belligerence and ignorance to yourself. If you have to resort to personal attacks against a user because you cannot legitimately refute the arguments he's making, then you have already lost the debate.

Griffen is making purely objective points based on international law on the topic of copyrights. That the points he's making are moot because you'd never remove a user's ability to request his maps be removed doesn't matter, his points are still valid. (Just unproductive to the intended direction of the topic)

Aight, lets keep this flaming thing to private messages? I prefer not to start a flame war here.
Well you and griffen does come from the same site.. its obviously you support him. Yes people can maybe not like one genre, that just makes them need to stay away from the map, but going berserk saying it completely sucks and has not skills, is flawed when he just done like the genre isn't right.

~XX_Noob

Originally Posted by Xx_Noob

Aight, lets keep this flaming thing to private messages? I prefer not to start a flame war here.

Excuse me, but what are you talking about? I'm genuinely confused why you said that.

Originally Posted by Xx_Noob

Well you and griffen does come from the same site.. its obviously you support him.

What the hell does coming from the same site have anything to do with anything? Jesus Christ, guilty by association much?

Originally Posted by Xx_Noob

Yes people can maybe not like one genre, that just makes them need to stay away from the map, but going berserk saying it completely sucks and has not skills, is flawed when he just done like the genre isn't right.

If a map moderator "goes berserk saying it completely sucks" then he by no means deserves the position he holds. Telling a user that his map is bad is not the same as saying it sucks, mind you. There's a distinct connotative difference therein that makes all of the difference. I have never seen Griffen belligerently attack a map in all of my time working with him, and if you see a moderator here doing such a thing I suggest you report them as soon as possible.

Can we please stick to the topic? If you guys keep saying to stop flaming it's still offtopic.

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Any progress on the suggestions made? (Are they good or bad, if good will they be implented?)
It's time to act fast, so many mods are leaving..

The same site point is most certainly invalid. Both me and Rising_Dusk come from the same site aswell and we disagree on most topics.

Originally Posted by Airandius

Can we please stick to the topic? If you guys keep saying to stop flaming it's still offtopic.

I strongly agree. Enough with the flaming and copyright right shit.
I understand that the whole system is flawed, but we have thought of numerous ways to fix it, or at least help it get better.
The quest: Is Rally aware that it is flawed?

You were the one that was provoking hostile behavior in the first place, Sergeant Ray.

Also Ralle is probably well aware that the system is flawed, but the site doesn't solely evolve around its map archive, he probably does have other things to take care of aswell. Also this matter has been discussed a million times over, if he were to come in and make a statement it would most likely be the same as he made the last time. Ralle has proven in the past that he pays attention to a lot more stuff than what he first appears to do, he sometimes just doesn't get involved in these discussions until the very end.

I started nothing, I merely tried to end it, in a hostile way. Crap.
If Ralle was aware, he would do something about it knowing it is such a problem. Wouldn't he?