Mod Suggestion

Originally Posted by Sergeant Ray

I have no intention of a flame war.

Originally Posted by Sergeant Ray

Maby you should shut up and post something beneficial to this thread.

I rest my case.

Originally Posted by Rising_Dusk

Just remove the users' ability to remove maps on their own and tell them to PM a moderator/administrator to do so. If it becomes a frequent thing, the administrator/moderator will know about it before it happens and can then backhand the idiot that's trying to delete/reupload his maps for higher votes/reviews. Done and done.

I did not start anything, as it was you who encouraged offtopic discussion and I simply tried to stop that. Septimus if you would, end this bullshit, and the grudge held over me.
Now what are we going to do to aware Ralle of this issue? I suggest inviting him to the forums, as it is his responsibility to take action.

When dumbass users take advantage of it, it is a problem, and since the Hive is hosting the project, they decide how it will host.

Wrong. They don't. Its right to host it goes only so far as whatever agreements I make. I did not agree to a perpetual right for THW to host it, and nor would I. Your understanding of copyright law is incorrect. Refusing to permit people to remove their own work would be a serious violation of copyright law, particularly since THW has no ToS which give them that.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

Wrong. They don't. Its right to host it goes only so far as whatever agreements I make. I did not agree to a perpetual right for THW to host it, and nor would I. Your understanding of copyright law is incorrect. Refusing to permit people to remove their own work would be a serious violation of copyright law, particularly since THW has no ToS which give them that.

Your not understanding something here Captain.
If the delete button will be removed users can only remove their resource by requesting a mod to do it. There will be no such things as refusing not to remove it.
This is very usefull because people wont be able to abuse the delete option anymore. If you don't agree with this however you can find an other side I suppose.
Reducing the strain on moderations and increasing the overal quality of hive severely outweights the opinion of one person. :P

And to say it one more time: there will be an option to remove a deleted resource and that way is requesting a moderator to remove it.

And you do realize these maps are created using blizzards programs, material, and art, therefore these maps are not technically yours. When we say that you should not have the right to remove material, we are talking about the idiots that try to upload again for more credit. those who plan to delete it for absent purpose have every right, as long as it abides by site rules. The site has every right to dictate how it will be uploaded, as you choose to use that site to host it on. If you dislike the rules, well then as chat says GTFO.
Now stop trying to best me when you have long ago failed. :P

Originally Posted by Sergeant Ray

And you do realize these maps are created using blizzards programs, material, and art, therefore these maps are not technically yours. When we say that you should not have the right to remove material, we are talking about the idiots that try to upload again for more credit. those who plan to delete it for absent purpose have every right, as long as it abides by site rules. The site has every right to dictate how it will be uploaded, as you choose to use that site to host it on. If you dislike the rules, well then as chat says GTFO.
Now stop trying to best me when you have long ago failed. :P

Your understanding of copyright law is highly flawed. The maps are technically jointly owned, part by me, part by Blizzard. They are not at all owned by THW. Changing the rules won't at all change the (implicit) license agreement that THW is allowed to distribute under, which I can cancel at any time I feel like.

f the delete button will be removed users can only remove their resource by requesting a mod to do it. There will be no such things as refusing not to remove it.

Then it's pointless to add it, it'll only add a greater burden to moderators.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

Then it's pointless to add it, it'll only add a greater burden to moderators.

This is incorrect, instaid of people removing their maps on their own because they want a better rating or a new moderation they will have to request it with a valid reason.
This way it's easier for moderators becuase if they have ni svalid reason it can be ignored instaid of them having to force the people not to double upload their map.
This has been said numerous times, sorry to say but all you are talking about is copyright laws. (And to be honest your arguments are weak and always the same.)

Give us some good reasons why people should be able to delete their resources, the point of uploading them is sharing them, as long it's not used for profit and proper credits are given their are no problems conserning copyright laws.
Hiveworkshop will not prohibit the deletion of resources, you just need a valid reason to do so, with approvel of the mods.
Hiveworkshop will not own the resources uploaded, they give proper credit to the makers.

Like stated before, please give us a better argument why we should keep the deletion button.

Copyright law trumps THW rules. Always. Non-commercial usage does not mean you are not covered by copyright laws.

Even if you don't care about that, THW would be treated as a rogue modding site, the same as anything else distributing stuff against the owner's consent. The result would be pretty much every decent modder leaving THW.

copyright laws and THW laws are two completely different thing. Your choosing to upload on this site, you will follow their rules. It does not matter that you wrote the software, or you are part owner of software, you are given premission to host it at this site, copyright has nothing to do with site rules.
This is an off topic discussion that will carry on forever, lets just call it even?
Back on topic, we came to the conclusion that there need not be a delete button. I agree that this is the case. But what are going to do about it, Airandius?

No one is above the law. And guess what? The rules that would apply would be those at the time I submitted my stuff.

Drop it Griffen, it is off topic, you have your opinion, I have mine.

No, this is not really the realm of opinion. Laws are not created with the intention of being interpreted by opinion.

The internet is almost lawless because it spans over so many countries that it can get very confusing. Not to mention how hard it is to track down people on the internet for so many little issues that don't really matter. I mean, it can be done, but there are so many more important problems to put effort into, and nobody really wants to track down copyright infringements and illegal software over the internet.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

I did not agree to a perpetual right for THW to host it, and nor would I.

Why not? Just curios.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

No one is above the law.

*suppresses anarchy beliefs*


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Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

Refusing to permit people to remove their own work would be a serious violation of copyright law, particularly since THW has no ToS which give them that.

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Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

The rules that would apply would be those at the time I submitted my stuff.

Together:
Then we could provide the delete feature for only old maps that were submitted under the old ToS. Or we could make it even simpler and inform users of the updates, and tell them they must agree to the new ToS if they wish their map to be accessible from here.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

nobody really wants to track down copyright infringements and illegal software over the internet.

...unless there is a large sum of money involved.

Originally Posted by Captain Griffen

No one is above the law.

Well Griffen you are right for some things but for many you aren't. Actually it is true no one is above law. But man noone gives shit for my, your or anyone's map. So what he will restrict you deleting your own maps, and in name of law you will report him, and what will happen? They will close site, but actually they can't cause it's private server, so what will happen then; cops will come in Denmark and arrest Ralle right? No even Hive break rules, I doubt someone will give shit for maps. Because those things are resources man, go back and speak ,,noone is above law'' in real life. What would write in report: ,,Hey they break law they restrict us form deleting our own resources''. And when they read that word ,,resources'' they will ignore such messages. Because noone gives shit for that. You really think someone is gonna close site for this? So it means Hive has right to restrict people of deleting maps and resources, if anyone don't agree well you always can move at site where you can delete your own resources and where ,,no one is above law''.
Ralle man, quickly run, watch yourself man, cops will arrest you in the middle of class if you restrict people deleting their resources! ahahahahah sweet dreams! Just keep making fun here, people here have serious job how to manage this site in chaos and someone here connects laws and Maps that's funny haha.