Mod Suggestion

While rep may not matter, negrep matters a lot. To get red rep is akin to being blacklisted for a lot of people because it makes people think twice about helping you and so forth. Besides, it's really true what Vega said for a vast majority of the population here (Just check the profiles). Even if it isn't the case for everyone, the majority still condemns the rest. That isn't to say that we should stereotype everyone, since we shouldn't, but there's certainly a predisposition to be had towards certain age groups and a large chunk of the Hive's populace.

On an almost unrelated note, why is Brad only a community moderator and Ghan the community director? If anything, Brad's way more qualified for the position and way more respectable/active/useful, excluding his random outbursts of asininity. *Cough!* :p

Originally Posted by Rising_Dusk

While rep may not matter, negrep matters a lot. To get red rep is akin to being blacklisted for a lot of people because it makes people think twice about helping you and so forth. Besides, it's really true what Vega said for a vast majority of the population here (Just check the profiles). Even if it isn't the case for everyone, the majority still condemns the rest. That isn't to say that we should stereotype everyone, since we shouldn't, but there's certainly a predisposition to be had towards certain age groups and a large chunk of the Hive's populace.

Although that may be true on wc3c, the vast majority of the time on the hive whenever someone's negrepped, someone else just +reps them to cancel it out.

We're working on making some concrete rules which disallow that...

On an almost unrelated note, why is Brad only a community moderator and Ghan the community director? If anything, Brad's way more qualified for the position and way more respectable/active/useful, excluding his random outbursts of asininity. *Cough!* :p

We know.

Originally Posted by Vegavak

In the last few days lingering in chat during my free time at work, to ask a few questions about memory space I'd been wanting answered, I found out a lot about The Hive's staff and userbase. A few things I found really made everything so much clearer.

The Hive's active users and staff are mostly teenagers(there are a few I have not asked)-- Not older gents like myself, but 14-18 year old kids in high school. While you folks of that age group may not have come to understand it yet, the teenage years are the most volatile and a time where hormones run rampant. Because of this, kids of that age lash out, argue, fight for no reason, take major offense to the lightest of jokes, try to prove they're better than others, claim their dominant place in groups, or even make stupid decisions under the false assumption that they're right simply because they think they are.

I've witnessed stupid commenting, pointless arguing, fight picking, and all sorts of angsty teenage displays throughout. By both new users, active users, and moderators.

The rate of which teenage e-peen is being thrown around here is absolutely disgusting. And I hope everyone, as well as Ralle, can step back from everything and think about how what I've said pans out. Because if I'm not mistaken in my observations, they hold a large share in the events that have unfolded here and in the events to come.

Your generalization is indeed correct. Teenagers are often angry, angsty, volatile, and "high-strung". The problem is, for reasons unknown to me, it seems to be becoming increasingly hard to find users on this site who aren't underage. Maybe someday, when Wolverabid and Darky come back, we could all renovate this site so that proper, mature, Adult moderators could come and replace all of us.

I'd just like to mention again, that Moderation should not be visible unless the rules have been broken. And even then, you should only be able to tell because the problem is gone. The offender should be notified personally, and punishment dealt. There should be no, "open moderator warfare", and rarely and reason to make it visible to the public. The exception is that if there is a specific thread that multiple people are abusing, then they should either be warned, punished or the thread closed.

EDIT: Also, the teenager this is some times correct and sometimes not. I've seen a lot of crap from people that (claim) to be adults and some good stuff from younger people as well.

Originally Posted by Pyritie

Although that may be true on wc3c, the vast majority of the time on the hive whenever someone's negrepped, someone else just +reps them to cancel it out.

Well, that's unfortunate. There are other, higher-priority things to be worrying about with the site than rep, though. It's no biggie. :)

Dat's a lie. Repzorz are the world silly. Dontcha' know?

But really, neg rep infractions are so usless once you get more than . . . 10 rep. No one notices or cares. If you have no rep and get neg-repped everyone thinks your breaking the rules more than everyone else.

The 'examples' you speak of, Brad, are few and far between; more so now, since the few I haven't talked seem to not want to discuss what's been said, only attack my character, or make broad generalizations that don't hold true to the topic at hand.

Originally Posted by Rui

I've got to agree with brad. Don't put them all on a single bag.
While most of what you said is true, your attitude towards my action of negative-repping you was immature, considering how insignificant both the 2 negative points you received and the reputation system itself are.

I think you both missed this gem: 'The Hive's active users and staff are mostly teenagers(there are a few I have not asked)'

And while you agree that 'most of what what I said is true', you simultaneously feel the need to bring up an unrelated irrelevant past event trying to discredit me? It is cheap and childish that you can sit there and try to point your finger at what I thought, and still think, was undeserved negative reputation, implying that it might void the opinion I may have on the matter in this topic(where it is quite irrelevant).

And might I ask, Rui, what part of my post was not true?

Hawkwing is great, and he's like 5; really, this is the net, learn2judge, not by age, but by judging with sense.

Yeah, really. Plus, people may just act like a twat around you because you are a twat. Think about how you (and/or) the environment you're in influence the way people behave before judging them.

If someone makes some most disparaging remarks about my mother, I'd be inclined to take them up on it. If they were drunk, the same rules would not apply.

There's this thing, a skill mayhaps, called 'Trolling'. The act of trolling is simply making ignorant and highly objectional comments which bait a user into flying off the handle at you. Now, when being trolled, people can become rediculously angry and make many remarks that they perhaps would not have said otherwise.

It's stuff like that that you have to take into account before mindlessly judging the vast majority of our users.

Originally Posted by PitzerMike

As I see it half of the active users of this site have, at some point, been moderator already.
Considering that, how could the regular users ever respect the mods here?

At wc3c on the other hand, all moderators have been doing their thing for years now. Therefore their opinions are highly valued and respected by all members.
So I guess what I'm saying is that you need less fluctuation and more long-term staffies, people who do it with dedication, not just for the title.
How to find those I don't know :(

With PurplePoot you had someone like that, but you managed to drive him away somehow ...

We have Mecheon, Rui, Samuraid, brad.dude03, and VGsatomi

Brad is correct. Take me for example. I know how every on talks about how I "Overeact", but look at most of the situatons, I am pissed a someone else. I'm normally a dick, but I don't yell and flame people unless they piss me off. I could give names, but this is not a snitch forum, so I will end with that.

Using oneself as an exemplar of anything is about the most arrogant thing a person can do.

But it made a point.

It didn't, cause you can't be objective.

Originally Posted by brad.dude03

Yeah, really. Plus, people may just act like a twat around you because you are a twat. Think about how you (and/or) the environment you're in influence the way people behave before judging them.

If someone makes some most disparaging remarks about my mother, I'd be inclined to take them up on it. If they were drunk, the same rules would not apply.

There's this thing, a skill mayhaps, called 'Trolling'. The act of trolling is simply making ignorant and highly objectionable comments which bait a user into flying off the handle at you. Now, when being trolled, people can become ridiculously angry and make many remarks that they perhaps would not have said otherwise.

It's stuff like that that you have to take into account before mindlessly judging the vast majority of our users.

The fact I made was that teenagers lack experience, and even if they may have a cool head or fair understanding of certain matters, they are all slaves to their innate teenage hormones-- the likes of which cause pointless fighting, arguing, etc, the list goes on.

You should read what you write before you post it, lest you sound stupid, because by your definition of trolling, you're trolling. You're making an 'ignorant and highly objectionable' response by using a sweeping generalization about the entire internet/human race, which isn't even about the topic at hand.