Mod Suggestion

We all know that there is a lack of moderators on Hive.
Now Purplepoot is leaving as a moderator, meaning an other pillar of support is leaving us.
We should open up a place where people can volunteer for a position as a moderator like many people said, but how do you know when somebody could be a good mod or a bad mod?
Make them moderate but give them no power for a period of testing, if they deliver good work they can get a position.

However I'm not here to point out the obvious, I have an other (perhaps better) suggestions.
I have only been active for a short while on the forums (around a month or 2) eventhough I made this account a year or so ago.

I like to moderate resources to help people improve their work, I don't care I have no power to approve or disapprove resources.
This is where my suggestion realy starts.

People can report posts so the moderators don't have to look for bad posts all the time.
We can give reputation when we have 10 ourselves, it's a way to show who are good and who are bad.
Why not do the same for resources!

People with a good amount of reputation can vote for a resource to be either approved or disapproved along with a description why.
This way a moderator can check these to make it more easy to approve or disaprove a resource. Reducing the amount of work they have to do, making it possible for them to moderate more.

This could very well be a (short term) solution in this period that is lacking good moderators.

~ Airandius

We already have minimods which do that job, however it's pretty useless since we still have to test everything out ingame and give a valid opinion.
--donut3.5--

This is basically what minimods are for.

Don't forget, not everyone is qualified to decide what should be approved/ignored in our resource sections.

EDIT: DAMN YOU DONUT!

(Had no clue we had mini-mods since this is the first time I hear about them.)

But you could give the minimods more power right? It could we worth a shot in these 'dark' times.
It's not looking to good in my opinion, the future of Hive that is.

Originally Posted by Airandius

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Now Purplepoot is leaving as a moderator (...)

He is?

Originally Posted by Airandius

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We should open up a place where people can volunteer for a position as a moderator like many people said, but how do you know when somebody could be a good mod or a bad mod?
Make them moderate but give them no power for a period of testing, if they deliver good work they can get a position.

We don't make people moderators because they want.
The problem is, the majority of the people can't rest until they get their staff position, when all they want is the power and not the work. There seems to be some kind of irrational lust for power among them that I can't understand.

What we need is people who are both willing to do the job and have a decent level of competence to do it. I don't think I need to mention how it is hard to find someone for the Map Section. Yes, you really need to appreciate downloading Maps and testing them and accept that 90% of the time (if not more) you will run into a low-quality work.

Originally Posted by Airandius

I like to moderate resources to help people improve their work, I don't care I have no power to approve or disapprove resources.
This is where my suggestion realy starts.

To be honest, I don't like the "mini-moderator" thing. I think "mini-judge" feels a little more appropriate. Candidature to mini-judge positions would be alright, with no direct or indirect promises of promotions. By "indirect" I mean you should discard the thought of "(I'm a mini-judge/moderator! I'm a step closer to staff position!)".

Originally Posted by Airandius

People can report posts so the moderators don't have to look for bad posts all the time.
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This is why we have a Report Post button, and it exists on resources too.

Ain't know one who meets the requirements anymore. Most of the people would just fuck around, or abuse the power. The quilified user show up only but once a month. There is little that can be done.

Once a month? We'd be lucky if that was the case. I'd rather say once a year. PurplePoot and I spent the whole Summer searching for someone decent for Map moderation, and I can tell you we found little to no candidates (PurplePoot found some, but I quickly discarded them).

Originally Posted by Rui

Once a month? We'd be lucky if that was the case. I'd rather say once a year.

Tell me about it. Some sign up and never login period. Thats a good topic.
I think that is why Ash was reasigned. I hear he was pretty good back in the day.If more of the current mods would cover multiple fields, that might increase the efficiency.

Originally Posted by Rui

He is?

Well this tread has him saying he does not like to moderate anymore.

Originally Posted by Rui

We don't make people moderators because they want.
The problem is, the majority of the people can't rest until they get their staff position, when all they want is the power and not the work. There seems to be some kind of irrational lust for power among them that I can't understand.

I know.. most people can't live with power, it's a human thing.. get power and abuse it. Not everybody is like that though. People that don't care about power but care about duty.. they are good for the job and sadly peopel liek that don't have tiem to hang around on forums.

Originally Posted by Rui

What we need is people who are both willing to do the job and have a decent level of competence to do it. I don't think I need to mention how it is hard to find someone for the Map Section. Yes, you really need to appreciate downloading Maps and testing them and accept that 90% of the time (if not more) you will run into a low-quality work.

Well, it's one of the things moderators have to deal with. Perhaps it's that why serious people don't like to become a real mod.

Originally Posted by Rui

To be honest, I don't like the "mini-moderator" thing. I think "mini-judge" feels a little more appropriate. Candidature to mini-judge positions would be alright, with no direct or indirect promises of promotions. By "indirect" I mean you should discard the thought of "(I'm a mini-judge/moderator! I'm a step closer to staff position!)".

I don't see myself as a mini-mod or a mini-judge, I'm just this guy that likes to help people and I hardly care if they can't take the comments I make about their resource or about the fact I have no power.
I don't need power, I just suggest and try to help people because I don't like people being bad at making maps or w/e resource =). Nor do I like people that give comments like: "Ah this sucks go away blablalbla." They ain't usefull at all.

Originally Posted by Rui

This is why we have a Report Post button, and it exists on resources too.

I gues...

There was a time that I would have been willing to moderate maps. Back when I was new to WC3 and modding.

That time has long since passed.

To me, it seems like the kind of thing that would require cycling of moderators.

Well, what about this then..
Go look at map section for people that make very good maps as an averige.
Like a guy has 3 recommended maps and 1 sub-zero map, why not ask this guy to moderate maps because at least you know he ain't a 'noob' so to call.

Skill != responsibility.
--donut3.5--

Originally Posted by Airandius

Well, what about this then..
Go look at map section for people that make very good maps as an averige.
Like a guy has 3 recommended maps and 1 sub-zero map, why not ask this guy to moderate maps because at least you know he ain't a 'noob' so to call.

Skill has nothing to do with it. Just because I might make a good map doesn't mean I would be a great moderator. If the person isn't responsiable, then skill really doesn't help the matter. Funny you say "not a noob". A "noob" might be a better moderator then most experianced people, because they know what is expected of them, and will take their job with responsibility. "Noob" or advanced, that is the requiem of a moderator, and unfortunatly, most of those who meet that requiem, as I said, show but only once a month or so.

Some of us mod are extremely busy with our daily life and moderating some map could be a tedious job that could took up to 2 hours. If we make a quick review, we possibly won't found some hidden bug.

The sad thing is, many ungrateful and irresponsible user constantly request the mod to review their approve resources just because the old review no longer accurate due to major update.

Once we review it for second time, they want more and so on.

I see your point Septimus. The problem is, most users don't even check for bugs because they know the moderators will do it for them. If you plan to release a resource, make sure it is perfect, or with minimual bugs. It should be the artists responsibility to list the changes to their map, as it should need only one moderation because if you are updating it, It should only be better. There is no need for more then one report unless it goes from unapprove, to approved. This should be a rule as this bullshit is a wast of time.