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Hello, THW.

I am sorry to say that due to recent events I've become rather tired of directing the development section, though this relates to the Hive in general; the section itself isn't much of a problem.

Basically, not only have I moved a little bit away from modding in general, but The Hive seems determined to implode (should I say, it has for a while now), and I'm honestly quite sick of attempting to prop it up when it doesn't want to be.

What's wrong? Well, first things first, there's a need for an excessive amount of moderators (due to the ridiculous resource influx), but no capability to fulfill these demands. The people for the jobs don't want them, or just aren't existent.

However, that isn't it. Moderation in some categories has been less than satisfactory. I mean, heck, disagreements are one thing, but open moderator warfare? I mean, come on people, seriously. You're supposed to be upholding the rules, not inciting violation thereof.

Next, a few people need to learn to take criticism with a grain of sugar. Criticism may sound nasty and undesirable, but it's a good thing, people. If someone is criticizing you, they are probably trying to help you, not hinder you. Try listening, rather than lashing back at them. This does not only apply to any one level of the users/staff, either.

Next, I think we all know that there were a few rushed promotions back in the day. If no one has gleaned it from my policy over the development section, I have a very strong opinion that quality is far greater than quantity. If there is no one to fulfill the job, it's better to be understaffed than to appoint incompetent moderators.

However, people should not be afraid to fix what they broke before, and admit they broke it. It's not like you're running for prime minister/president/etc and have a massive reputation which people will constantly be attacking to uphold. I can understand not demoting any semi-incompetent person since they're there anyways and you need the work done, but there are some people who have been generally agreed on as being just useless and a hindrance to the site. Get rid of them, for god's sakes (note: this was actually partially accomplished).

Next, everyone's favorite topic. Ghan. Don't get me wrong, Ghan tries to help out. However, he really needs to realize that often when he tries to help, he screws things up far more than he fixes. The main important point here is: don't step on other peoples' toes. People want to run their own section, heck, why were they put in charge of it otherwise (see above two paragraphs)? Therefore, keep your nose out of their business, please. This means letting people solve problems within their section except when absolutely urgent (pornography etc), as well as consulting them before taking any action you deem helpful. While I'm on this point, being active isn't useful. Doing stuff while active is (if you never post, but read every thread, you aren't contributing). If you need to tell people you're active enough, you aren't. Finally, you're the community director - Samuraid can handle the behind-the-scenes stuff, he does a good job of it. I have some more to say here, but that can be left in private, as it doesn't concern the public.

Next, social groups, and mostly the "Jury of Awesomeness." Social groups are just random nonsense, and don't mean anything they aren't specifically created to. People don't seem to realize that these days, and I've noticed it's caused a rather large war around here. That being said, quit with the fan clubs or otherwise - they're immature and pointless, with their only product being more flame wars. Take, for example, Team Haosis. In the few days of its existence, it managed to amplify the already existing war by epic proportions. Now, on to the jury. The jury is not an evil force of doom trying to kill you in your sleep. Neither is it a group dedicated to demoting MasterHaosis, taking over the site, "plotting shit", or otherwise. Even if there are a few users in it who stir up trouble, they represent the group no more or less than they represent the site. What is the jury really? It's a bunch of users who rant about what needs to be improved at the site, and have contributed massively to its development in the past years. Hopefully that can be realized and this whole "JoA" drama can be dropped.

That being said, bye all. I'll still be around a bit (primarily for the few contests I'm in), but I have no interest in moderating or posting much any more.

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The reason this is in Site Discussion is because of the contents of the post (not including the I'm leaving bit) actually being relevant to the site.

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You've always been a good mod.

And I thought you were better than to quit because of "office politics".

It's not worth quitting for.

Sorry, but if you're going to post, could you please at least contribute something to the points raised (for or against, whichever)?

Seems like the hive are going to have extremely limited among of staff.

Totally 150% agree with Poot on all points raised.

Now I'm intrigued as to WEH TEH FEH will happen to the development section.

I can't say much. "He was a good admin", "He will be remembered among us here at the site"? Naaah, doesn't sound real enough. It was true, of course, but it doesn't really give his resignation a purpose, a meaning.

All I have to say is:

He is right.

He just means that we need more quality than quantity, although lots of awesome people is fine too. :P

And yeah. Maybe Hive needs him, but he sure as hell doesn't need Hive.

Steel, the reason that THW lacks talented members is because they're driven away by the infighting and such.

Originally Posted by PurplePoot

Steel, the reason that THW lacks talented members is because they're driven away by the infighting and such.

That and WC3 modding is just getting stale.

Yes, but that doesn't create a vacuum; for example, wc3 is still doing fine.

I have for at least two months now. It gets a little too unpleasant after a while, and remember, I'm (or rather was) doing this as a volunteer thing; it's not like I'm paid to moderate.

It's true. I mean all of the greatest talent in WC3 left/stopped modding years ago. It's a fact that just can't be helped.

As for what you've said, I agree. I believe that a lot has been accomplished thanks to the Jury, that more needs to be done, but that most of it can't really be helped. Resource moderation is a stale job, especially when you have such a massive influx like we do.

As for the shameless fanboy groups? I don't see the harm in most of them. Look at the Church of Kharm. It was fun, shameless, but friendly and completely within rules and even ethical guidelines. I don't see why something like that should be prevented.

Either way, I've known you for quite a long time Poot, and you've always been the bastion of truth, reason, and calm, level-headed judgement on this website.

Thanks.

I don't mean groups like the Church of Kharm that are obviously jokes. I mean ones that are actually fanboy groups.

But meh, I don't think they should be against the rules. I just think they're stupid and immature.

The points you make are all extremely valid..
The one thing I have to say is if you want things to become better, you do have the power to start the change.. especially someone of your status. You're probably one of the most influential people in decisions. I do think that these changes should be implemented, and I'm sorry to see you go, because you were probably one of the few people who could actually press for the changes. Most, if not all mods around here, lack the common sense and fairness to your level, and I'm disappointed in the Hive for us losing such a valuable member and moderator.
However, I do empathize with you about finding it hard to find time for WC3 modding, as school can be very time consuming. I, too, find it difficult mod these days.

Well, farewell to one of the last mods who, in my opinion, actually made sense consistently.
--donut3.5--

Another pillar of thw breaks... a great pity..