As Global Warming Continues

Well we can all at least contribute toward stopping it and hopefully post-pone 'doomsday' and give the scientists time to figure out a way to stop it. Though that probably wont happen.

To be honest, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. It's not even the scientists that will fix it, the scientists discovered it, it's up to the world's multinational corporations to start being smart and instead of offering "eco-friendly" gimmicks, actually do something big.

This is a good thing to watch (REALLY good) to get a better understanding of what I mean, if you haven't already seen this, it's brilliant.

The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard

Originally Posted by ~Void~

I think if we are going to stop global warming, we are going to need to stop focusing on the little efforts like turning off lights and carpooling.

If one person does it, it is a small effort. If 6 BILLION of us do it, it becomes a giant effort the likes of which have never ever ever happened.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

We need to stop focusing on "global warming" but simply the environmental issues we have at hand now, which is the deforestation, fossil fuels, and China. The only problem with that is that the USA and other world powers base 90% of their economies on those three elements.

Sucks to be them.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

If the US government stopped drilling oil and only allowed solar, fuel cell and electric (and others like that) for fuels, they would lose the support of the oil companies along with a lot of money.

Oil is running out. We will need renewable energy.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

If the US stopped importing things from China, well, think about what would happen.

No more dollar stores?

You raise the idle and naive ideas that most people share about this problem.

1: But 6 billion people won't. And never will. It just won't happen, or at least not as quickly as we need it. There has to be a better way, we just have to find out what it is.

2: No, doesn't suck to be them. Sucks to be the whole world. You are, in essence, contradicting your first point by having that attitude. People who have attitudes like that most likely will not be part of that 6 billion.

3: Ah, 'tis true, however we also need the support of the oil companies (or the government does, at least, and we need them, however ridiculous that may sound). So really it's up to the oil companies to find something new that isn't just a gimmick.

4: That and so much else. Take a look around at things you see in average stores (the ones that most of the american population go to, like wal mart and such), and look at how many of them say "made in china" or "made in japan" or "made in mexico", I bet you will find a lot. That is why we need china.

Now, I know most people will say "well we don't need wal mart" "well we don't need macdonald's" "well we don't need exxon-mobil" etc. But the fact is, although you may not go there, so much of the world does. If they all of a sudden go to different places, there will be so much traffic that those little shops will get bigger and bigger and build more and more factories and essentially turn places like the US and Canada into places just like China, and their little shops into shops like Wal Mart. Leaving us right back where we started, but the problem is in our face and there's nothing we can really do about it. Not to mention that the USA will be an extremely poor country.

(this applies to any country, not just the US, including Britain, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, France, whatever)

Originally Posted by ~Void~

But 6 billion people won't.

Did I say they will?

Originally Posted by Hakeem

If 6 BILLION of us do it, it becomes a giant effort the likes of which have never ever ever happened.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

It just won't happen, or at least not as quickly as we need it.

Because you've run the numbers? We don't need 6 BILLION of us to do it, but the more people do it, the more it helps.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

No, doesn't suck to be them. Sucks to be the whole world.

Yes, it does suck to be those governments, and to an extent is does suck to be the whole world. Turns our people aren't governments of the world.
At the very least, I am not a government or world, and I don't live somewhere where I'll be flooded if the sea level takes a drastic step up. Global warming may kill a bunch of people, but it sure wont kill me. So I'm safe, does that mean I say, "Screw you" to everyone else. No, it does not.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Ah, 'tis true, however we also need the support of the oil companies (or the government does, at least, and we need them, however ridiculous that may sound). So really it's up to the oil companies to find something new that isn't just a gimmick.

The current people in the government may rely on oil, but that doesn't mean we wont have government without oil. I'm also apparently and anarchist and I don't think we need government. Since it's all just a bunch of other people like me enforcing the laws, I've decided that I live in an anarchy anyway.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

That and so much else. Take a look around at things you see in average stores (the ones that most of the american population go to, like wal mart and such), and look at how many of them say "made in china" or "made in japan" or "made in mexico", I bet you will find a lot. That is why we need china.

Take a look at my room. See the bed? See the computer? See anything else? I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Now, I know most people will say "well we don't need wal mart" "well we don't need macdonald's" "well we don't need exxon-mobil" etc. But the fact is, although you may not go there, so much of the world does. If they all of a sudden go to different places, there will be so much traffic that those little shops will get bigger and bigger and build more and more factories and essentially turn places like the US and Canada into places just like China, and their little shops into shops like Wal Mart. Leaving us right back where we started, but the problem is in our face and there's nothing we can really do about it. Not to mention that the USA will be an extremely poor country.

Screw importing and exporting, we've got all kinds or resources right here in our own backyard. Both as a country, and for me personally.

The only way that 8 Billion people will come together and stop it is when the changes become very noticeable. Right now we can see small changes every few years, but if things changed every year or few months people would get scared and make a desperate attempt to reverse it's effects. By that time it'll be too late.

Hakeem is right, we don't need imports and exports. The only reason we import most stuff is for variety to brighten up our lives. There are only a few things that are even close to being needed.

Perhaps China is good at making these types of things, but we can make them too.

No hakeem, the government needs the oil companies because we owe debt to them. It's not the people, it's the country. And I have my doubts that even one billion people will do these little things.

Also, those little things are just temporary relief. It's not actually solving the problem.

Anyways, obviously neither of you two have ever taken a course of economics, or if you have, you missed many key points. The economy is fucked up. I'm not saying it's right. But we do need the oil companies and industries in china. Otherwise it would either set us back a hundred years in progress, or just turn our country from a world power into a rebel-infested anarchy. Riots, looting, etc. Now sure that's bad, but don't you see what all that would do? Al qaeda would look at riots, looting and overall anarchism in America, along with a huge economical crash, as a gift from fucking Allah. Seriously, if the USA or Britain or any other major country descended into chaos like that, it would be destroyed or taken over by terrorists.

Oh, one small detail I missed, if the world economy crashed, we would have no money to fund scientific research and no means of acquiring that money and even if we did have the money some terrorists or religious fanatics or flying spaghetti monsters, I don't give a fuck who, would get in the way. You could say "well we will just have to work together to stop it" but it won't happen. In fact, it's human nature that will stop that from happening. Along with the most of the world that will either believe it was meant to be, sent by god, or just so afraid and chaotic that they won't care anymore and won't help.

Also, although maybe you and some people think you could live without all the goods we have today, it's much easier said than done. You probably don't know how to farm, and it wouldn't matter anyways because global warming would just kill all the crops. We'd be twice as fucked.

In an idealistic world, your points would be more than valid and mine would be null. But sadly I believe that it's the other way around in the world we live in. To put it in a nutshell, there isn't going to be a Will Smith to save the day. We need to be smarter now than just doing tiny things and delaying. Because no matter what the huge companies do like using paper bags instead of plastic, or selling organic shit, they are still fucking up the world. They are just making those gimmicks so we ignore the frauds they are making and give them more money, because they don't care at all.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

No hakeem, the government needs the oil companies because we owe debt to them.

All the more reason to get rid of them. Get rid of them, hopefully the debt will never be collected.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

I have my doubts that even one billion people will do these little things.

I didn't say it would require one sixth of humanity. I didn't specify a number. Possibly because I don't have a clue to what that number would be.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Also, those little things are just temporary relief. It's not actually solving the problem.

No, but all the help we can get.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Anyways, obviously neither of you two have ever taken a course of economics, or if you have, you missed many key points. The economy is fucked up. I'm not saying it's right. But we do need the oil companies and industries in china.

No. We. Don't.

Notice how those thing were not there since the beginning of human history?

Notice how we got along without them since we are still here today?

We don't need them, but we may need them for something.
Obviously, those things are not necessary.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Otherwise it would either set us back a hundred years in progress,

Just "progress"?

Originally Posted by ~Void~

or just turn our country from a world power into a rebel-infested anarchy.

Obviously.

I think you're underestimating about 300 million people.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Al qaeda would look at riots, looting and overall anarchism in America, along with a huge economical crash, as a gift from fucking Allah. Seriously, if the USA or Britain or any other major country descended into chaos like that, it would be destroyed or taken over by terrorists.

WOW.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Oh, one small detail I missed, if the world economy crashed, we would have no money to fund scientific research and no means of acquiring that money

Because money just disappears?

You do realize that money, as we use it today, is completely fabricated?

Originally Posted by ~Void~

You could say "well we will just have to work together to stop it" but it won't happen.

Obviously you aren't one of the people that would help. Thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

In fact, it's human nature that will stop that from happening.

We are the animal that works together the most. We're practically symbiotic to each other.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Also, although maybe you and some people think you could live without all the goods we have today, it's much easier said than done. You probably don't know how to farm

You think you know more about me than I do?

Originally Posted by ~Void~

it wouldn't matter anyways because global warming would just kill all the crops. We'd be twice as fucked.

And now you're underestimating the entirety of life.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

In an idealistic world, your points would be more than valid and mine would be null.

Seems that way to me. You talk like this stuff is set in stone, when in reality, no two people, aside from twins, have the same set of DNA. Can you imagine that kind of variety?

Originally Posted by ~Void~

We need to be smarter now than just doing tiny things and delaying.

Actually the scientists are the Will Smith heroes. They make all kinds of stuff, like LEDs, so that we can better use all this immeasurable energy floating around us. Did I mention LEDs? I'm pretty sure I did. Yeah, I kinda like LEDs. As soon as I can start using them as my primary lighting, I will.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

Because no matter what the huge companies do like using paper bags instead of plastic

I prefer plastic. Sure, it takes 200 years to rot, but we'll just have to put up with it for the trees sake.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

or selling organic shit

That's a matter of consumer preference. I prefer things grown by nature because nature has millions of years of evidence that it works.

Originally Posted by ~Void~

They are just making those gimmicks so we ignore the frauds they are making and give them more money, because they don't care at all.

Actually, some companies are realizing how much money they can save by doing things like switching to electric cars.

But yeah, they are still only driven by money.

The way I see it, we've been sacrificing the environment so we could use oil.

I have the feeling that as soons as the Earth gets tired of us we will become extinct in a couple of years...

We'll go down like the dinosaurs one day.

Thats exactly what I mean...

You may never know...

Dinosaurs were idiots.

Void, get your retarded emo hippy ideas out of this thread. Global warming isn't half the problem that everyone is freaking out about, and even if it was people are going to go green anyways because it saves tons of money.

Also, Medivh's tower is for serious discussions? I see an awful lot of spam in those last few posts.