Last night, a dutch politician, Geert Wilders, released a short movie about his view on the Islam and the Qur'an. the word "Fitna" means "strife", basically a strife between the muslims and western people.
The movie (dutch) can be seen here.
The movie (english) can be seen here.
Be warned, the film contains shocking contents.
The basic contents can be read in english here.
My personal opinion on this one:
I personaly think only a minority of muslims actually act like that. Especially european muslims tend to be less "extreme" on the area of "killing every non-muslim". I respect everyone's opinion, and everyone is free to choose the religion he desires.
Quote:
The movie ends with a hand seen gripping a page of the Qur'an. As the frame goes black, a tearing sound is heard and the following rolls over the screen:
The sound you heard was a page being removed from a phone book
For it is not up to me, but to Muslims themselves
to tear out the hateful verses from the Qur'an
Muslims want you to make way for Islam
but Islam does not make way for you
The Government insists that you respect Islam,
but Islam has no respect for you
I do fear that part of this is very true. Most muslims I know (although I don't know many) would never follow the verses out of the Qur'an as shown in the movie, but the movie itself isn't completelly fictional either... In fact, it seems very real. While those muslims do have respect for me, I feel indeed that the islam itself shows little respect for non-muslims.
What's your opinion on this matter? Should we stop the islam and/or its extremism?
When I was young I never really saw why the bible was so important. Being the religion that my family is I only ever got one source of information that well kina stuck with me, the only reason for this is they believe that the signs of the time of the end(gods judgement day) will be the nations of the world turning on religion(well one sign) I never really belived them or ever thought about it until the US started going for the oil fields and shit. But right now I couldn't be more anti terroist, but I am anti geneocide.
To bad those terroist mother fuckers arent on this forum or they would have read this:
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Originally Posted by Shados
Everyone has the right to follow their heart as long as it doesn't fuck with other people's rights.
All I mean to say is, bewarey of what you hear sometimes it might be over exagerated. Dont forget how easy it was for Hitler to turn everyone on the jews, when they were not a threat to anyone. But everyone can agree terroists are a threat to everyone and must be dealt with one way or another.
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Terrorists can be good, just not these islamic extremists.
Almost every country had terrorists for a good cause at one point or another.
That's just imo, little biased on that part sorry.
But I agree, people who will kill thousands of others to get a "message" through(9/11) should be dealt with harshly, and quickly.
Terrorists can be good, just not these islamic extremists.
Almost every country had terrorists for a good cause at one point or another.
That's just imo, little biased on that part sorry.
But I agree, people who will kill thousands of others to get a "message" through(9/11) should be dealt with harshly, and quickly.
Not at all I think. No matter what the "good cause" is, terrorism is never a good solution, even if it's the only one...
I'm also thinking that the islam is in some way a problem. Not really the islam itself, but those people who rip words of the qur'an out of their context and use it for terrorism. I mean, it's obvious that many (some) muslims get carried away too easily when it comes to believing...
when i say extreemists are bad i mean you christians too, and you scientologists....dont think your getting away with it. the best way to live life is for people to chill out and worry mostly about themselves and try to help others when you can. i dont blame terrorists, in many ways it is allied nations that have caused this by sticking their nose in where its not needed or wanted.
i think that our entire war in iraq and against terrorism is unnecessary
Terrorism is okay for "good" causes, but "good" causes usually win through diplomacy, not force. Terrorism is never needed in the first place. When terrorism for a good cause does happen, unless it is universally acknowledged as necessary, it disrupts the carefully worked progress that diplomacy had made.
Also, I didn't watch the movie, but last time I checked, most religions including Islam preach acceptance. Like Islam worships the same God as Christians and Jews, and they have the same principles (like love thy neighbour). In regard to the question, all extremism needs to be stopped, because it casts undeserved doubt upon its origin.
I feel that we need to break out the nukes that say
"God Bless Amreica" on them and blow them up
since we have lost soo many troops in this war jsut use the ace in the hole
An ace in the hole doesn't work if everyone else has it.
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Trust allows lies to exist. So be careful where you put your trust.
It looks like many of you have put it in the wrong place: The Media.
When someone is telling you that Islam calls for killing, they are either lying, or it is some kind of wartime quote. Especially do not listen if they don't even know their vocabulary and use words like "Islamism".
Terrorism is okay for "good" causes, but "good" causes usually win through diplomacy, not force. Terrorism is never needed in the first place. When terrorism for a good cause does happen, unless it is universally acknowledged as necessary, it disrupts the carefully worked progress that diplomacy had made.
Also, I didn't watch the movie, but last time I checked, most religions including Islam preach acceptance. Like Islam worships the same God as Christians and Jews, and they have the same principles (like love thy neighbour). In regard to the question, all extremism needs to be stopped, because it casts undeserved doubt upon its origin.
Err... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Quaran (somewhere in there) states that God/Allah will help his people crush Jerusalem, And the Bible says that God will deliver Jerusalem from the rest of the world.
Methinx it's something like the name Jesus, The Jesus in Muslim religion is NOT the same Jesus of Nazareth that Christians believe in.
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I feel that we need to break out the nukes that say
"God Bless Amreica" on them and blow them up
since we have lost soo many troops in this war jsut use the ace in the hole
...what's the point in that?
A) Fallout could spread to other countries, starting a larger war than we already have;
B) That move will piss the international community off, causing sanctions, hurting our economy even more;
C) We can't take their oil if it's all vaporized.
So then we put a giant plastic baggy around the country to catch the oil before we nuke it, duh.
Realistically, nuclear weapons are some of the most pointless things in human history, with the exception of the two used to end the US/Japan fighting in WWII. Nobody is stupid enough to use them, because everybody else has them. It would bring down the thunder in a rather stupid way.
Each nation in the world needs exactly 3 nukes. that way you can ensure that if somebody nukes you, the world goes down with you. (yes, 3 is enough to start an all-out nuke war.)
Funny thing about terrorist, of any religion, is that they go against the most basic rules of their own religion in the name of god.
And new terrorism is really retarded. shooting on people is understandable in a way, but blowing yourself up? you don't win a war by killing your soldiers, that's plain stupid. my assumption is that the whole "blowing yourself up" thingy, was that someone had the idea of "dying in the battle sends you to eternal reward", and that makes some sense. and then some retard wanted to ENSURE he dies in battle. and from then, it jest went lower and lower.
Personally, I think the terrorists saw too many American movies. (yaknow-the weak guys are the good guys, and they will win no matter what.)
(PS, reason C there, makes the US look really bad.)
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