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Old 08-27-2008, 12:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Equality -- Overkill?

So I was in the car after eating mexican food (I know this sounds totally irrelevant, but hold on) with my parents, and my mom said "My nose itches, looks like I have to kiss a fool" (wtf?). That brought me to think that if she did kiss a fool, in modern day society, she would have to kiss 99.9% of the world's population. Why? Because some person of another race would come up and say "Wow, you racist, you chose not to kiss me because I'm <insert race here>". Thus meaning that to be totally fair, my mother would have to kiss everyone, or face being considered racist, sexist, et cetera.

This, of course, is a metaphor. But it leads one to think that maybe when the constitution of the united states (and other sources) stated "All men are created equal" didn't mean everyone should be treated equally, but instead should be granted equal opportunity. Because everyone is different in one way or another.

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Old 08-28-2008, 08:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I think that this has been done to death. By the way, no one is fucking equal. There are people that are quite clearly superior, and there are people that are quite clearly inferior, and then there is the general population in between. As you said, people deserve equal chance to prove their worth, but they don't deserve anything past what their worth is proven to be.
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I think that this has been done to death. By the way, no one is fucking equal. There are people that are quite clearly superior, and there are people that are quite clearly inferior, and then there is the general population in between. As you said, people deserve equal chance to prove their worth, but they don't deserve anything past what their worth is proven to be.
Yes, as in your own words, no one is fucking equal.

People are different, but I don't think that there are some people that are superior than others. You must judge on what they're superior. For example, africans normally run faster than the other kinds, because of their longer legs, so they're superior than the other races of humans, when the subject is running.

Using the same idea on Void's question, your mother should first think on what subject she will use to consider if the person is a fool or not, in order to kiss he/she.

I don't think what I said above is considered a discriminative thing, because I'm not considering the race/sex/blah-blah-blah, I'm considering a single aspect wich is supposed to be judged equally on other people.

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If we were all equal, communism would work. It didn't. Conlusion? We aren't equal.
People who think they are called fools because they are from a particular ethnic group just usually look in the mirror and judge themselves... Foolish is the individual, not all the community.
Equality can only be considered as equality of opportunities. If someone has the gift of being a musician should be one, but if one isn't good at music but wants do it, he should have the opportuinity to do so.
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I was going to say something about positive and negative actions, inclusion and exclusion, but screw it, I'm an anarchist.

If someone wants to be so stupid as to think millions of people can be judged for things like skin color, then good luck.
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Equality is an illusion created by the ones with power in order to keep the masses in check.

People are NEVER equal. we can start by how much money you got in your bank account. heck, even how much money your parents have in THEIR bank account matters.

How about cripples? whatever you say, and with all "Equality Promotion Laws", the still get screwed because they take longer to move around, and people of the opposite gender (or any other sexual preference) usually don't find cripple very attractive.

Heck, you can go to looks to find that the world jest is not fair, forget skin color, what about body structure? skull size? eye color? hair thickness? all these seemingly unimportant stats effects your success in life.

So, my lesson to you-don't believe the illusion, but if you reach a position of power, do your best to maintain it.
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people of the opposite gender (or any other sexual preference) usually don't find cripple very attractive.
You mean men usually don't find crippled women very attractive.
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I think it works both ways...
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Not as much as you would think.
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If you live in a nation where 90% percent of the population don't judge a person by their looks you must be a very lucky person. Our current society praises beauty over everything else, exept money maybe.
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I'm inferring that we seem to have slightly different ideas of what qualifies as crippled. Agree to disagree?
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Consider an individual crippled mostly depends on your own criteria, not your gender, nationality, age, etc... but they may be a slight influence.
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Equality is broad term. You can be equal in many ways, your appearance, how you are treated, how everyone thinks or acts. In my opinion, you should not be judged on your outward appearances, by things you cannot naturally influence. However, you do influence your mindset and actions, thereby making yourself. You shouldn't be treated equally, you should be treated on how you influence others, and how they are influenced. In my opinion, anyone who is truly influenced by outward appearances to judge to a conclusion is a fool. Appearance, in my opinion, is an optional luxury. There is a place reserved in your memory for outward appearances, please keep it out of everywhere else.

Sure, if someone appears to be attempting to harm another or themselves with a dangerous object, that is a time when you judge by appearance. How else would you judge such an action except by sight, even though the true point is behind the intent, the resulting appearance is not meaningless.

Bit confusing?
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Anyone who is truly influenced by outward appearances to judge to a conclusion is a fool.
This qualifies the entire most of the world as hopeless idiots.

Sadly enough, its true.


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They say, don't judge people by their skin color. Don't judge people by their religion. But in actuality they are just creating one huge stereotype, that because every human is a human, they are like other humans.

So that means that if someone's experience of all people they have ever met is that they are short and fat, if they meet a person of a different skin color and then not assume they are short and fat they are racist towards the short and fat group, if they assume the person is tall and skinny they are racist towards the tall and skinny group, and if they assume nothing they are racist against everyone because they should've assumed that the person was short and fat because "everyone is equal". What a stupid society we live in. -.-
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