Does God Exist?

A few things first: I am an Aethiest. I don't dislike/dissaprve of religion, if you want to beleive in something, go nuts, just so logn as it doesn't require you to kill people or some freaky @$#$ like that.

My 3 views on God are:
A) He isn't real.
B) I'll believe that he is real if he proves it.
C) If is he real, he is a #%$ing @!$#%!$ for letting the world suck so much.
D) There is a high probablity that life (human or not) on Earth is some sort of genetic-science experiment.

My Reasoning: A being like God, would have had to have been created perfect at the beggining of time (like: *POOF* I AM GOD). If God is so "just" and "kind", why is the world such a sh*thole? Why does he let humans (his followers and creation) suffer so much?

I have not had the best life, I have been through too much for me to believe in something like God, simply because if there was the world would be a much better place to live in.

No. No no no no no.
Just someone, close this thread right now please.
This was a stupid idea, and is only going to lead to flamewars.
--donut3.5--

Originally Posted by donut3.5

No. No no no no no.
Just someone, close this thread right now please.
This was a stupid idea, and is only going to lead to flamewars.
--donut3.5--

Sigh.... Someone pleased close this thread... donut3.5 is right, just look at the "Religion - Particularly Christianity's Place in Modern Society.
All it does is lead to sever trolling and flamewars.

This is one of the threads in mind when Medivh's Tower was conceived.
The reason I posted this thread in Off-Topic was so everyone could vote in the poll. It's about time this thread finally got into the tower. If it turns into a flamewar, then members who flamed can be removed from the tower.

Medivh's Tower is intended for subjects such as these. Those who don't follow the rules should not be allowed to participate.

So let's have a serious discussion.

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

I'll believe that he is real if he proves it.

So proof from any other source will be rejected?

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

If is he real, he is a #%$ing @!$#%!$ for letting the world suck so much.

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

Why does he let humans (his followers and creation) suffer so much?

He can do what he wants. He's God. He made evil for whatever reason, and he obviously wants it that way.

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

There is a high probablity that life (human or not) on Earth is some sort of genetic-science experiment.

Conducted by?

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

My Reasoning: A being like God, would have had to have been created perfect at the beggining of time (like: *POOF* I AM GOD).

If God wasn't the first thing to exist, then what was?

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

If God is so "just" and "kind", why is the world such a sh*thole?

Who said that?

Originally Posted by Deep Sea Kraken

I have not had the best life, I have been through too much for me to believe in something like God, simply because if there was the world would be a much better place to live in.

Is the world all there is?

This is the reason we made Medivh's tower. This isn't Off-Topic, it won't descend into a flame war

There isn't any reason a "God" needs to care about humans. It could just be some extremely powerful trans-reality being who just observes all that goes on and doesn't care about a bunch of mostly hairless primates from some small blue planet around a rather small sized star. For all we know he's busy watching the evolution of some massive giant rock monsters on some planet far away

... Yeah, I don't put too much thought into religion and any preconceived ideas of a deity we'd have from it

Religion's (Particularly Christianity) place in modern society

Anyways, if this will be a legitimate topic, my belief is that there is no God, and that everything is consequential of another event. I don't feel like going into lengthy details atm, I might post later as to why I believe such.
--donut3.5--

Originally Posted by Hakeem

Who said that?

I'm pretty sure it says that in the bible.

I do believe that the world was created by a higher being(not Earth,the whole universe),since that is the most logical thing,we couldnt appear out of nothing without some interference,thus there must be a higher force affecting the creation of all that we know of.

Although i dont really believe in god the way modern religions show him.It is possible that God doesnt have that much power to affect our world,or that he doesnt want to,or he doesnt even know about us,and is focused on an another world,while our was just a mess-up.There can be a thousand different theories,maybe all of them would be wrong,then again,maybe all of them would be true.

In our modern society,a God-like form is necessary,for it is the only thing some people can put their hopes into,and even if it is not real(which i dont really believe)the belief itself can relieve some people from suffering,guide them.

Religion should be a good thing,it should bind people together,put in their heads that there are things that are right and wrong,but it took the wrong turn somewhere.

Christian religion has some good parts that would make the world a better place(Thou shall not kill,respect other people no matter what they believe in,do not act on hatred etc.)only if they didnt think that every non-christian is condemned to hell,and that its their "duty" to convert them into christianity and save their souls.

Muslim religion is too uptight,their women are treated like crap,a lot of them is using it as an excuse to kill other people.It hasnt brought much good to the world anyways.

I personally like buddhists the most,since their way is to "live and let others live".In a world where everyone is sticking their noses into other people's business,this would solve a hell lot of problems.

Sadly,belief in god is twisted,profited of,and misunderstood by many.

I believe that Heaven is situated at the center of the Milky Way galaxy, being a gigantic black hole. Each passage through the hole reveals a new heavenly zone, 7 in total. Once the 6th gate has been passed, angels weigh your soul and karma, evaluating if you should be reincarnated or live eternal life as a free spirit.

No, seriously, I believe in a god, just not in the heavily stereotyped old man who lives in the clouds. My god would just be some unknown force which has created us all, be it a thing or a natural event... Not a very developped opinion, but nothing more can be said concerning a precise representation of our creator. Besides, if there wasn't a god, how would we all be here?

This is a very touchy subject because if you think there is no god, then you wonder what could have created life. If you believe that god exists, then what created that god, and what created the thing that created god?...

Originally Posted by Japut3h

... a lot of them is using it as an excuse to kill other people..

People can interpret these holy texts in many many ways. If some terrorist extremist interpreted them in a way meaning "OMGKILLKILLKILL", and people were ignorant enough to follow him, then that wouldn't be the text's fault, it would be the population's fault. It's like someone saying "I just bought this computer and it freaking sucks!", when he doesn't even know how to open it.

According to something I heard, the Koran (I think its called the Koran), which is the muslum "bible", says to treat women equally, but most muslums "forget" or "happen to miss" that in the text because they want to.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

I do believe that the world was created by a higher being(not Earth,the whole universe),since that is the most logical thing,we couldnt appear out of nothing without some interference,thus there must be a higher force affecting the creation of all that we know of.

My question would be, where did this "God" come from, then?

Originally Posted by Japut3h

Although i dont really believe in god the way modern religions show him.It is possible that God doesnt have that much power to affect our world,or that he doesnt want to,or he doesnt even know about us,and is focused on an another world,while our was just a mess-up.There can be a thousand different theories,maybe all of them would be wrong,then again,maybe all of them would be true.

If I were him / her / it I wouldn't give a damn either.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

In our modern society,a God-like form is necessary,for it is the only thing some people can put their hopes into,and even if it is not real(which i dont really believe)the belief itself can relieve some people from suffering,guide them.

People can put their hopes into each other.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

Religion should be a good thing,it should bind people together,put in their heads that there are things that are right and wrong,but it took the wrong turn somewhere.

Right and wrong / good and evil are points of view.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

Christian religion has some good parts that would make the world a better place(Thou shall not kill,respect other people no matter what they believe in,do not act on hatred etc.)only if they didnt think that every non-christian is condemned to hell,and that its their "duty" to convert them into christianity and save their souls.

Christianity has been warped by the church into thinking they should "save" people. It was done that way because more people = more power and money.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

Muslim religion is too uptight,their women are treated like crap,a lot of them is using it as an excuse to kill other people.It hasnt brought much good to the world anyways.

This statement is born of ignorance and is not correct. Women are covered to prevent lust, and other indecencies while in public. The people blowing themselves up in the name of "Allah" aren't followers of Islam. Killing another is a serious crime in Islam, just like Christianity. Besides, Christianity hasn't brought much good to this world either.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

I personally like buddhists the most,since their way is to "live and let others live".In a world where everyone is sticking their noses into other people's business,this would solve a hell lot of problems.

Yes, Judaism is one of the few religions that doesn't try to convert others. They may have less power in the world, but at least they are tolerant. Buddism is actually just a belief in self - perfection through discipline; it's not a religion.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

Sadly,belief in god is twisted,profited of,and misunderstood by many.

That statement pretty much sums this topic up.

No, seriously, I believe in a god, just not in the heavily stereotyped old man who lives in the clouds. My god would just be some unknown force which has created us all, be it a thing or a natural event... Not a very developped opinion, but nothing more can be said concerning a precise representation of our creator. Besides, if there wasn't a god, how would we all be here?

Exactly what i was thinking.

People can put their hopes into each other.

Many find it much easier to put faith into a all-knowing and high being into a fellow human.Sad but true.

This statement is born of ignorance and is not correct. Women are covered to prevent lust, and other indecencies while in public. The people blowing themselves up in the name of "Allah" aren't followers of Islam. Killing another is a serious crime in Islam, just like Christianity. Besides, Christianity hasn't brought much good to this world either.

Christianity flags many things as "indecent" and "wrong",such as the human body,lust etc.Islam does the same thing,only with greater intensity,educating women that they "belong" to only one man(their husband) and that they are strictly forbid to show any parts of their body(including the face) in public after they marry.

No human should "belong" to an another human(a.k.a. be his property).And if the human body was shaped by their god,it shouldnt be hidden as something shameful.Lust is one of the primary human instincts,and people shouldnt be ashamed of it at all.If there was no lust,the human race wouldnt exist.In muslim countries they actually cut out the parts with kissing out of the soap operas,because they consider it wrong.

Their religion might say that women and men are equal,but their laws say a completely different thing.Any law thatabides only to a certain group of people is nothing but discriminating.Women can experience lust too.So why dont men go outside with their faces completely covered?

Anyway,i read in the paper that a Muslim said he saw Jesus,and that he converted his religion to Christianity.The Muslim authorities condemned him to death sentence(i think this was in Iraq),but i think he got out because a lot of people stood up for him(Bush was one of them,this doesnt make him a nice guy,he probably wanted to show his "superiority" and stick his nose elsewhere like he always does).

Im not ignorant of the Muslim people at all.If i met a Muslim,id respect him just like i would respect any other man,and wouldnt judge him by where he is from,or what he believes in.If the Muslims like the way they live,its not up to me to say they should change it.If they grew up in such a culture,then probably the worst thing that you could do is try to convert them and change their way of life.I just think that their laws are just an another example of a belief in God gone a bit wrong.Belief in the Christian God has also been misused,but not as much as belief in Allah is.

Originally Posted by Japut3h

I just think that their laws are just an another example of a belief in God gone a bit wrong.Belief in the Christian God has also been misused,but not as much as belief in Allah is.

Muslims and Christians both worship the same god. (SUPRISE!)

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Instant Ramen

Women are covered to prevent lust, and other indecencies while in public.

@ Japut3h
Women and men are treated equally in Muslim countries. They are segregated in public to prevent sexual distractions. (Yes, both sexes are separate in public, even families.) The belief that women are discriminated is mostly false lies spread by the ignorant media trying to make any sort of story just to stay in buisness, and to make the Middle East look bad so people will keep supporting the war. Segregation in public is also only fanatically supported in orthodox countries that follow the religion to the very dot.

And *shock* so do Jewish people!!! Amazing isn't it?

Women and men are treated equally in Muslim countries. They are segregated in public to prevent sexual distractions. (Yes, both sexes are separate in public, even families.) The belief that women are discriminated is mostly false lies spread by the ignorant media trying to make any sort of story just to stay in buisness, and to make the Middle East look bad so people will keep supporting the war. Segregation in public is also only fanatically supported in orthodox countries that follow the religion to the very dot.

Im not saying that women in Muslim countries are looked upon with ignorance.Im not saying that Muslim men consider Muslim women less worthy than them.Im just saying,that if i were made to hide my appearance,while the other sex didnt have to(in public)i would feel unequal and discriminated(in a way).I dont think that the Muslim women have much against the fact that they are veiled,but you really can not say that forbiding something to a group of people,while others dont have to abide it isnt dividing into two unequal groups = discrimination.Not a strong discrimination that black people had to live with a couple of decades ago,but still discrimination.


And even though the Muslims,Christians,and Jewish people worship the same God,they all have different ways of life that are supposedly taught and commanded by him.