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Old 11-20-2008, 01:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Why do humans do this(robots)

Each year humans come out with robots that can think and can do better actions and each year some guys says they will replace us. Why aren't we listening, why do we humans insist on making ourselves obsolete by making robots that are better than us? Is humanity so lazy that the "wake up call" for stop makign robots smart is when the kill us?
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In order for a robot to kill us, we must program it to do so.

I'd bet that I'm smarter than the AI of the robot you send after me, and if not, I can design better protection.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Man Vs Machine
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Generally Speaking ......
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Processing Power and Speed
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Counting the Memory
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Performance, Ability and Adaptability
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So who is the Superior ?

Generally Speaking
Many of us think that computers are many many times faster, more powerful and more capable when compared to our brains simply because they can perform calculations thousands of time faster, workout logical computations without error and store memory at incredible speeds with flawless accuracy.
But is the the computer really superior to the human brain in terms of ability , processing power and adaptability ?
We now give you the real comparison.



Processing Power and Speed
The human brain - We can only estimate the processing power of the average human brain as there is no way to measure it quantitatively as of yet. If the theory of taking nerve volume to be proportional to processing power is true we then, may have a correct estimate of the human brain's processing power.

It is fortunate that we understand the neural assemblies is the retina of the vertebrate eye quite well (structurally and functionally) because it helps to give us a idea of the human brain's capability.

The retina is a nerve tissue in the back of the eyeball which detects lights and sends images to the brain. A human retina has a size of about a centimeter square is half a millimeter thick and is made up of 100 million neurons. Scientists say that the retina sends to the brain, particular patches of images indicating light intensity differences which are transported via the optic nerve, a million-fiber cable which reaches deep into the brain.

Overall, the retina seems to process about ten one-million-point images per second.

Because the 1,500 cubic centimeter human brain is about 100,000 times as large as the retina, by simple calculation, we can estimate the processing power of a average brain to be about 100 million MIPS (Million computer Instructions Per Second ). In case you're wondering how much speed that is, let us give you an idea.

1999's fastest PC processor chip on the market was a 700 MHz pentium that did 4200 MIPS. By simple calculation, we can see that we would need at least 24,000 of these processors in a system to match up to the total speed of the brain !! (Which means the brain is like a 168,0000 MHz Pentium computer). But even so, other factors like memory and the complexity of the system needed to handle so many processors will not be a simple task. Because of these factors, the figures we so childishly calculated will most probably be a very serious underestimate.

The computer - The most powerful experimental super computers in 1998, composed of thousands or tens of thousands of the fastest microprocessors and costing tens of millions of dollars, can do a few million MIPS. These systems were used mainly to stimulate physical events for high-value scientific calculations.

Here, we have a chart of processor speeds for the past few years.

Year Clock Speed (MHz) Instruction Rate (MIPS)

1992 200 200 (400)

1993.5 300 300 (600)

1995 400 800 (1600)

1996.5 500 1000 (2000)

1998 600 2400 (3600)
1999.5 700 2800 (4200)

2000 1000 ?

From the chart above, we can observe some break through s in microprocessor speeds. The current techniques used by research labs should be able to continue such improvements for about a decade. By then maybe prototype multiprocessor chips finally reaching MIPS matching that of the brain will be cheap enough to develop.

Improvements of computer speeds however have some limitations. The more memory it has, the slower it is because it takes longer to run through its memory once. Computers with less memory hence have more MIPS, but are confined to less space to run big programs. The latest, greatest super computers can do a trillion calculations per second and can have a trillion bytes of memory. As computer memory and processors improve, the Megabyte/MIPS ratio is a big factor to consider. So far, this ratio has remained constant throughout the history of computers.

So who has more processing power ?
By estimation, the brain has about 100 million MIPS worth of processing power while recent super-computers only has a few million MIPS worth in processor speed. That said, the brain is still the winner in the race. Because of the cost, enthusiasm and efforts still required, computer technology has still some length to go before it will match the human brain's processing power.

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Hmmmm I see but a computer can do stuff a lot faster than a brain. We might not have to program computers to kill us, they mgiht learn.(somehow)
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No Im thinkning more along the lines of the "Matrix" Robots who would kill us.
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Each year humans come out with robots that can think and can do better actions and each year some guys says they will replace us. Why aren't we listening, why do we humans insist on making ourselves obsolete by making robots that are better than us? Is humanity so lazy that the "wake up call" for stop makign robots smart is when the kill us?
Alright Im down with this so hard core you have no idea, im a labourer for a construction company until I can start an apprenticeship. I work extremely hard everyday for what, the chance to hurt myself? I think my time would be better spent going to the gym or enjoying my life then spending 40 hours a week working my face off. Like if we didnt ever have to work again would you just sit around doing nothing all day?(Like some people that would just sit and play wow until they had bedsores). Or would you take the time to get healthy, and expand you knowledge?
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Ashcy I could not agree with you more.
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Technically a robot wouldn't have to be programmed to kill, a virus would do the trick, and whenever there is a computer of any sort, there are viruses made for it. Also, sometimes "ghost code" can form inside a mother board, causing malfunctions and unexplained actions. I don't feel safe anymore...




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Well I don't think a virus is needed for them to kill us if we make them so smart eventually one will learn to have free will, by accident or not and others would follow.
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No Im thinkning more along the lines of the "Matrix" Robots who would kill us.
Did the movies ever say where those robots came from?
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Technically a robot wouldn't have to be programmed to kill, a virus would do the trick, and whenever there is a computer of any sort, there are viruses made for it.
A virus reprograms a computer. If you program your computer right, nobody can make a virus that would be able to execute itself.
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Also, sometimes "ghost code" can form inside a mother board, causing malfunctions and unexplained actions. I don't feel safe anymore...
When a computer does make a mistake, (which is the advantage of computers, precision) it fails. It doesn't do something new or unexpected, it simply shuts down.

Precision.
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Well I don't think a virus is needed for them to kill us if we make them so smart eventually one will learn to have free will, by accident or not and others would follow.
Computers are stupid.

Very, very, very, stupid.

They are precise.

Precision is not the same as intelligence.
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But seriously, computers are stupid compared to our brains, if you put a computer next to a human brain in a table you probally get this:

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1000 Gigabyte
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1.000.000 Gigabyte
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Graphics Card
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Nvidia 20000 FE
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Did the movies ever say where those robots came from?
They do tell not in movie but in books where they came from. We built one that had accidentally been given extra intelligence and became self-aware and slowly infected evry robot and then sprung a rebellion forcing us underground. That is of course the matrix but I think we are missing the point that robots will almost definitely be able to think for themselves in the future and most likely would start a war.
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