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06-28-2008, 04:42 AM
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Walruses Rock!!!!
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Ultimate Warcraft 3 Trust Me Read!
Before I start Bla, Bla, Blaing and only 5 peaple Write back I just want to say I create ideas over and over every time no one cares and I reley don't being made fun of so please don't humilate me.
Well, if anyone even looks at this HellBoy rocks HellBoy 2 is going to be awsome but I can't stop thinking about a game where in some way you are unstopable were you can look down upawn all your enemys pick them up and beat the living snot of of the weak little bodys. First i'd like to say I keep imagening a software for warcraft 3 were each idem is has matter and will shake if you stomp and AI will try to stick together. So if this could be made this game modificater could not only be used to create tower defence maps but create a AI experince never before possible for a tycoon game. Like use this as a exsample Hellboy pickup a small monster throws it in the air with a trigger program the same thing would happen over and over again but what if someone took a action adventor to the limit the person would fly in the air but based on the wind force force of throw he might jummp onto a chandeleer and hang on for his life. With a AI sysetom like this the game can never be played the same twice. therfore making the fun of replay just as fun as the first time. Now here is another exsample a jedi and sith are fighting the jedi is deflecting Force lightning with a trigger the jedi would just do the same thing over and over again but with this sysestom the jedis lightsaber might get pushed out of his hand and he dies. What i am trying to explan is triggers are a basic fast solution, but with a more complex sysetom you make a map more fun therefore that is why consle games that use triggers lose some of there rating (Mutiplayer does not count).
Well also there is a problem cinamatics would by unprodectable as well destroying the story. Therefore in order to create a ultimate program you need a mix of triggers and this pnew program.
If people listen to what I say I swear warcraft 3 may become the ultimate syulation software. But first I must show you some stuff that may help He,He,He these three programs if mixed right can make our maps as good as next gen video game console full scale games Here are the programes Havok, Euphoria, Dmm if these three work together you get what every thing would normaly happen in the real would all three of these are phisics engines. Havok moves any object at any time, Euphoria is true Bio- macanical AI or in other words it makes Animeatid charictors act as if they hade a brain, Dmm view items as madder so they move as if they would in the real world. This if we did this to a Army building game (such as warcraft 3) if a cannon fires the guys on the other team ( or your team) will dock, run, or Dodge. So if you redid the warcraft 3's campain with this software the game would act just as the nomal world would have acted if this realy happened.
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06-28-2008, 05:11 AM
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Yeh i noe wat ur saying -.-''
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06-28-2008, 08:03 AM
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Only if it pays...
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The Starcraft 2 editor will be better...
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06-28-2008, 11:49 AM
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I have the sneaking suspicion that no one cares about your ideas because they can't make heads or tails of the word salad you just spat out onto their screens
I THINK you're saying that it'd be awesome if someone made a game that used Havok physics and some fancy AI stuff and then made it like Warcraft. Oh, and some random crap about throwing people
Seriously, your post is disjointed and makes no sense. And I have a sneaking suspicion what you're asking is going to be far beyond the scope of anyone who doesn't work at a professional game developing company anyway
EDIT: Oh wait, I just read over
What you're asking for is impossible. You sound like you're trying to take the Warcraft 3 engine and make it do all sorts of crazy stuff that it just cannot do
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06-28-2008, 04:07 PM
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Walruses Rock!!!!
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om just leting you know thats what they did to make force unleashed
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06-28-2008, 04:34 PM
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om just leting you know thats what they did to make force unleashed
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Yes, well, the company that made Force Unleashed were willing to shell out the cash for rights to all of these. So what?
Warcraft 3 doesn't need them. You can't integrate them into it without having direct access to the source code. Basically, it won't work
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You are the bottom of the evolutionary chain. The primoridal ooze looks down on you. Hell, the excrement of primordial ooze looks down on you
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06-28-2008, 09:49 PM
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Walruses Rock!!!!
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Originally Posted by Mecheon
Yes, well, the company that made Force Unleashed were willing to shell out the cash for rights to all of these. So what?
Warcraft 3 doesn't need them. You can't integrate them into it without having direct access to the source code. Basically, it won't work
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Ok look all I'm saying is that it would be cool and how triggers can only do what you say you can't have Real AI with a trigger sysetom.
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06-29-2008, 12:45 AM
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Yes you can. AI's are just a series of "if (this) then (do that)".
You don't know what you're asking, or apparently how Wc3 works. :|
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06-29-2008, 01:02 AM
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Is this some kind of joke? AI for games that are coming out now don't have that kind of intelligence. You honestly think a bunch of rag tag hobbyists could make it when a full team of professionals can't? I don't see how this logic went through your mind.
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06-29-2008, 02:46 PM
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Ok look all I'm saying is that it would be cool and how triggers can only do what you say you can't have Real AI with a trigger sysetom.
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You know what else would be cool? Me winning the lottery from my universe-sized dimension born from the remnants of worlds I have destroyed, where I await the day the stars are right for my armada of giant bees to take over the world
There's a big, big, BIG line between "Cool" and "Impossible"
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06-29-2008, 06:35 PM
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To make a perfect AI, you would have to be God. Not sure how you think we can do it. You realize every game ever made uses a "If this happens, do this" type of AI right?
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06-30-2008, 05:37 AM
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So basically, your first paragraph has already been done. It's called a pseudo-random number generator, and it subtly influences what happens, so most current games are never exactly the same every time through. For example, in Super Smash Bros Brawl, let's say I always begin my matches by running straight left. The computer doesn't always react the same way, so... oh wait, that already proved you wrong.
Secondly, cinematics are completely exempt from the usual game physics and rules. Take for example, Final Fantasy XII? You know that famous scene where Sephiroth kills Aerith? Phoenix down doesn't quite work to revive her.
Lastly, what you describe in your final paragraph would require computing technology leaps and fucking bounds ahead of what exists. If every single unit in a RTS were to dodge things like a well-scripted Chinese martial-arts movie, the computer would kill itself trying to calculate and then draw that, not to mention that gameplay would be seriously fucked. How are you supposed to kill anything if everything can dodge everything? Also, there are dodge abilities within Warcraft. Everything else that is wrong with your cool but completely idiotic idea has already been said.
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07-02-2008, 01:30 AM
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Walruses Rock!!!!
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So basically, your first paragraph has already been done. It's called a pseudo-random number generator, and it subtly influences what happens, so most current games are never exactly the same every time through. For example, in Super Smash Bros Brawl, let's say I always begin my matches by running straight left. The computer doesn't always react the same way, so... oh wait, that already proved you wrong.
Secondly, cinematics are completely exempt from the usual game physics and rules. Take for example, Final Fantasy XII? You know that famous scene where Sephiroth kills Aerith? Phoenix down doesn't quite work to revive her.
Lastly, what you describe in your final paragraph would require computing technology leaps and fucking bounds ahead of what exists. If every single unit in a RTS were to dodge things like a well-scripted Chinese martial-arts movie, the computer would kill itself trying to calculate and then draw that, not to mention that gameplay would be seriously fucked. How are you supposed to kill anything if everything can dodge everything? Also, there are dodge abilities within Warcraft. Everything else that is wrong with your cool but completely idiotic idea has already been said.
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Ok will you please leave me along I'm leaveing this forum.
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07-02-2008, 03:24 AM
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Is somehow back.
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I don't know what he said... But it had something to do with Hellboy and lightsabers...
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07-03-2008, 12:38 PM
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Brutal spelling and grammar!!! Congratulations to everyone! Why tycoon?
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