Concept Art Contest #6 - Tribal Princess

[The World Is Flat]

Actually, 5500.

And metallurgy is distinct from metalworking.

And if you look at histories of gold, in a tribal society, at the time of 1000 B.C, there would not be significant methods for refined goldworking.

[shiiK]

No, it is not my duty to help you stay within theme, it is merely my duty to open the contest and answer questions regarding the theme or the contest rules. NFWar's entry is not "out of theme", it is hand-crafted armour made with leather and fur.

As for being specific with the theme; it was my impression that people had the same understanding of the term tribal, and that tribal meant people living in a tribe. I also specified that the moment a farm comes along, it is no longer a tribe. I did not expect at all to find people suggesting sci-fi solutions to this theme. Also, by specifying 1000BC (which ONLY functions as help to understand what is meant with tribal), I would've stopped people from making their own fantasy societies and whatnot, because it sounds like it has to be historically accurate to the letter.

Moreover, there were temples 1000BC so it is not an entirely unlikely scenario for the time, PeeKay, it is just not as raw and barbaric as you would expect a tribal princess to be. I replaced it not because it was wrong, but because it was misleading.

[Deolrin]

Originally Posted by PeeKay

Then you should say next time black on white "PRE1000BC, PREMIVIAL TRIBAL PRINCESS" or at least DONT post asian woman in a temple on a theme pic. That would be right, not wrong. And realy, check the moment, where NFWar's concept is too out of theme. And you don't noticed it. You don't noticed that my concept is too out of concept theme. Tell me please, if you're concept host, it is in your order to help us stay inside of theme?

NFWar's latest concept includes like... A leather bra and a fur skirt, with some feathers. At least the one he has shown me in Skype. I don't see how that's outside the theme.

As for the whole 'silk' thing; How would the tribe craft the silk into such an elegant dress? If they found it in-tact, shouldn't it be a bit loose? Or small? How come it's exactly in her size?

Either way, just come on. Deal with it. Your entry is unacceptable right now. Change it and be done with it. Why do you have to argue so much? The contest host told you that your entry cannot be accepted, and therefore, it cannot be accepted. There's no point in arguing.

Oh, and one more thing. The "Mimic" model contest had the image of Admiral Akbar, from Star Wars, because he is renowned for his quote: "IT'S A TRAP!", which fits perfectly with the contest's theme. The quote wasn't even on the image. The image on the front page is not necessarily supposed to be an example of what you're supposed to do for the contest, but rather to spice up the contest's front page a bit, or to give people the general idea.

[RiotZ]

Originally Posted by ʞııɥs

No, it is not my duty to help you stay within theme, it is merely my duty to open the contest and answer questions regarding the theme or the contest rules. NFWar's entry is not "out of theme", it is hand-crafted armour made with leather and fur.

As for being specific with the theme; it was my impression that people had the same understanding of the term tribal, and that tribal meant people living in a tribe. I also specified that the moment a farm comes along, it is no longer a tribe. I did not expect at all to find people suggesting sci-fi solutions to this theme. Also, by specifying 1000BC (which ONLY functions as help to understand what is meant with tribal), I would've stopped people from making their own fantasy societies and whatnot, because it sounds like it has to be historically accurate to the letter.

Moreover, there were temples 1000BC so it is not an entirely unlikely scenario for the time, PeeKay, it is just not as raw and barbaric as you would expect a tribal princess to be. I replaced it not because it was wrong, but because it was misleading.

She has an intricately forged metal belt connecting the tunic and skirt (or whatever you want to call it) and an arm cuff, which would also require metallurgy skills.

Also you specifically state in this sentence that tribal means the person must be in a tribe, that doesn't limit technological aspects, I could join a tribe in Africa, and bring my laptop, and pose, and you could draw a picture of me... Do you see my point? You're really trying to read too much into this, and when you do that, there end up being a million contradictions, especially in the wips, for instance someone posted a picture of a tribal princess wearing neck rings, which as you stated earlier, indicates skills in metallurgy which a tribe would not possess. Also the rules, (which I assume you have changed) state that the items being used should be hand-crafted, every single thing I have outlined, and you have outlined can be hand crafted.

This argument is so underdeveloped.

[The World Is Flat]

Do we know if its metal and not wood?

[PROXY]

One thing I'd like to understand though guys...

WHY THE HECK ARE YOU SO BITCHING AROUND ABOUT THE CONTEST THEME?!

I mean wtf. Why just don't leave it "TRIBAL" and let everyone interpret them their own way, everyone who could think a bit wouldn't make something that fit's SO BADLY as you guys describe it.

You are limiting everyone so much, I just don't understand it. I'm not a artist myself but what the hell. If someone makes something that does fit SO BADLY then tell him. But seriously, let the guys have their fun designing their concept arts or don't open up such a contest where every little piece of gold you add somewhere is considered as bad and your entry gets disqualifiied -.-

[RiotZ]

Originally Posted by The World Is Flat

Do we know if its metal and not wood?

Is wood shiny? Have you ever seen wood molded into a circular shape?

[PeeKay]

Originally Posted by Deolrin

As for the whole 'silk' thing; How would the tribe craft the silk into such an elegant dress? If they found it in-tact, shouldn't it be a bit loose? Or small? How come it's exactly in her size?

Either way, just come on. Deal with it. Your entry is unacceptable right now. Change it and be done with it. Why do you have to argue so much? The contest host told you that your entry cannot be accepted, and therefore, it cannot be accepted. There's no point in arguing.

Oh, and one more thing. The "Mimic" model contest had the image of Admiral Akbar, from Star Wars, because he is renowned for his quote: "IT'S A TRAP!", which fits perfectly with the contest's theme. The quote wasn't even on the image. The image on the front page is not necessarily supposed to be an example of what you're supposed to do for the contest, but rather to spice up the contest's front page a bit, or to give people the general idea.

As you can see it is far longer than she's growth, cuz it is kimono, that was unknown how to wear it in thier society, so, cuz of that it weared as a skirt that is far-far longer, than she is. Its the first moment.

The contest host should notice me before i spent a lot of time to this work. Rly, such things makes me stunned and insults me.

Well, the contest first topic anyway should make some example of a work, or don't be associated with the contest theme at all. This is my point. And yes, i guess contest host or judges MUST help members to stay inside of theme.


About NFWar, there is much more technologicaly rised equipment, that includes some sort of metallic parts (or parts that on scetch looks like metallic), and some sort of modern clothworks, that was able only at medivial age. Tanned cloth needs realy doubtful work to make it. And tribe society was not able to provide this as some sort of craft. Also check these sweet cloth loops that holds cloth thread. This is, for sure, breaks contest rules like a mine, cuz of a refine. Will you accept this?


P.S as it is ART contest, should be nudity alowed as a art direction?

Anyway, as i said, i will try myself in this contest. Just for next time i hope host will be more competent and responsible, than shiik is. No agression. Just you confused and insulted me. Now let u tell me if this scetch breaks contest rules too?

[Deolrin]

@PeeKay, that's a LOT better. Keep drawing awesome shit and stop bitching about how everyone 'insulted' and 'stunned' you and everyone will come to respect you. I like the mammooth tusks(or whatever they are) coming from her hat, btw. :)

[PeeKay]

new wips.


Also, deolerin, maybe you right, but there i guess you will accept my opinion that shiik knew, that i'm working out of contest theme but didn't said that, and cuz of that i spent a lot of time for nothing.

[RiotZ]

I'm going to be like Shiik now... "Ya but they dun have mammoth in tribal period, this r outside themes"

<3 u shiik

[The World Is Flat]

Is wood shiny? Have you ever seen wood molded into a circular shape?

Yes.

[RiotZ]

Originally Posted by The World Is Flat

Yes.

Did they have wood stain in 1000 B.C.? And where did you see a perfectly molded piece of wood, (that's faaaaar too advanced, even for the middle ages, it's difficult to mold wood today).

[PeeKay]

Originally Posted by The World Is Flat

Yes.

well, yep, it is possible, but not in premivial tribes, where best usage of strong stem was make it a knife. And was no one reason make a belts, mostly from tree (according on shiik's point - there is no place for hard freehand workouts).

Well, if shiik will tell me that NFWars work is realy inside of rule, i will point that he realy trying insult me.

[shiiK]

Originally Posted by xRiotZx

She has an intricately forged metal belt connecting the tunic and skirt (or whatever you want to call it) and an arm cuff, which would also require metallurgy skills.

Metal belt where? Arm cuff where? I don't think we're looking at the same concept.

Originally Posted by xRiotZx

Also you specifically state in this sentence that tribal means the person must be in a tribe, that doesn't limit technological aspects, I could join a tribe in Africa, and bring my laptop, and pose, and you could draw a picture of me... Do you see my point? You're really trying to read too much into this, and when you do that, there end up being a million contradictions, especially in the wips, for instance someone posted a picture of a tribal princess wearing neck rings, which as you stated earlier, indicates skills in metallurgy which a tribe would not possess. Also the rules, (which I assume you have changed) state that the items being used should be hand-crafted, every single thing I have outlined, and you have outlined can be hand crafted.

I did not say that being in a tribe is the only requirement for being tribal. I wrote more. Besides, you're just trying your best to make a loophole, you KNOW that depicting yourself in a tribe wouldn't fit the theme. They should be hand-crafted and consistent with what people did use in that era. The description is there to help start you off, it's not an absolute definition of what exactly you have to do.

Originally Posted by PROXY

I mean wtf. Why just don't leave it "TRIBAL" and let everyone interpret them their own way, everyone who could think a bit wouldn't make something that fit's SO BADLY as you guys describe it.

But people don't want to think, people want to find out what the rules don't specifically prohibit and do that.

Originally Posted by PROXY

You are limiting everyone so much, I just don't understand it. I'm not a artist myself but what the hell. If someone makes something that does fit SO BADLY then tell him. But seriously, let the guys have their fun designing their concept arts or don't open up such a contest where every little piece of gold you add somewhere is considered as bad and your entry gets disqualifiied -.-

There's hardly any limits here at all. It's a really, really open theme. Let me make an example; people are asked to make a car (anything that can be called a car), but they make boats and excuse themselves with "well, it does have a steering wheel so it's a car" ..

Originally Posted by PeeKay

The contest host should notice me before i spent a lot of time to this work. Rly, such things makes me stunned and insults me.

I notified you as soon as I could. You cannot expect me to be here every day, all the time. As for the earlier sketches; I could not tell which way it was going, and I could therefore not warn you. When I saw the first sketch that deviated from the theme, I told you and you started arguing. You have no right to blame me for your "wasted" time.

Originally Posted by PeeKay

Well, the contest first topic anyway should make some example of a work, or don't be associated with the contest theme at all. This is my point. And yes, i guess contest host or judges MUST help members to stay inside of theme.

I guess it would've been better with no image at all. At least you wouldn't have spent hours in and out making a sci-fi princess. I could not find a single artwork of a tribal princess that I could use as an example, and I figured we should at least have something close to it.

Originally Posted by PeeKay

About NFWar, there is much more technologicaly rised equipment, that includes some sort of metallic parts (or parts that on scetch looks like metallic), and some sort of modern clothworks, that was able only at medivial age. Tanned cloth needs realy doubtful work to make it. And tribe society was not able to provide this as some sort of craft. Also check these sweet cloth loops that holds cloth thread. This is, for sure, breaks contest rules like a mine, cuz of a refine. Will you accept this?

What metallic parts? Modern clothes? I can't really make our what you're saying for the remainder of this paragraph, please rephrase.

Originally Posted by PeeKay

P.S as it is ART contest, should be nudity alowed as a art direction?

Adm. enjoy said no.

Originally Posted by PeeKay

Anyway, as i said, i will try myself in this contest. Just for next time i hope host will be more competent and responsible, than shiik is. No agression. Just you confused and insulted me. Now let u tell me if this scetch breaks contest rules too?

Insulted you? How? And I'm sorry I confused you, but you could've asked when you were in doubt. I tried to present the theme in a simple and understandable way.

Originally Posted by PeeKay

Also, deolerin, maybe you right, but there i guess you will accept my opinion that shiik knew, that i'm working out of contest theme but didn't said that, and cuz of that i spent a lot of time for nothing.

I warned you as soon as I knew you were going off track.

Originally Posted by xRiotZx

I'm going to be like Shiik now... "Ya but they dun have mammoth in tribal period, this r outside themes"

<3 u shiik

Q.Q

Originally Posted by PeeKay

well, yep, it is possible, but not in premivial tribes, where best usage of strong stem was make it a knife. And was no one reason make a belts, mostly from tree (according on shiik's point - there is no place for hard freehand workouts).

Well, if shiik will tell me that NFWars work is realy inside of rule, i will point that he realy trying insult me.

What is a hard freehand workout? The latest I have seen of NFWar's concept suggests it is within theme. How could that possibly insult you?

Lastly, I can not tell what's going on in your latest WIP so I can not confirm whether or not it is within theme. Feel free to explain your idea if you're afraid you'll "waste time" making artwork that will need to be readjusted.