Favorite SSBB Character?

[Campir]

I just bought SSBB (Super Smash Bros. Brawl) yesterday, and I must say, it's amazing. So I decided to start a thread discussing everyones favorite characters!

I don't think a poll could fit all the character in it, so I'll just list them all off and you can post your favorite, with a reason why that particular character is your favorite.

So, here they are:
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Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus/ Zero Suit Samus, after final smash
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Marth
Mr.Game & Watch
Luigi
Diddy Kong
Zelda/ Sheik
Pit
Meta Knight
Falco
Pokemon Trainer (Charizard,Ivysaur,Bulbasaur)
Ike
Snake
Peach
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Kind DeDeDe
Wolf
Lucario
Ness
Sonic
Bowser
Wario
Toon Link
Robot, (R.O.B)
Captain Olimar
Captain Falcon
Jiggly puff
Lucas
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Please, if I missed any inform me. I beat the entire campaign and these are all the characters I have. I believe this is them all but I may have missed one or two.


Whos my favorite character?

Ness/Lucas: I find them to be very skillful characters to use. In SSB (the first installment of the Super Smash Bros series) Ness was extremely unbalanced at very powerful, but after he got nerfed in SSBM, people hated him. I then devoted all my Super Smash time to learning how to play him well, and I did! When I play Ness/Lucas, at first I run and use rang attacks. Then when they recieve enough damage, I stop running and give 'em a baseball bat to the face. All good fun! The only complaint I have with either of them is that there "up B" is hard to use to recover from a fall with. But that's ok, I still think they both rock! Plus there final smash requires no skill or aiming to use ^^.

So post which character you like! And fon't forget to tell why!

[Mamma_Pappa]

I dont have it yet (Check Signature)
But I have tested the Japanese version, and I liked Meta Knight!

[Campir]

Meta Knight seems to be the favorite to most. His high speed spinning moves make him fun to play.

[KKRP]

Hard to say. Ganondorf's choking move is awesome, Captain Falcon is one of the best fighters as always, Solid Snake is cool(a Captain Falcon fan I might add!:grin:), Meta Knight is just as good as I expected, and Wolf is great for taking care of characters like Jigglypuff, Kirby, and Squirtle. :eek:I know the best character is Meta Captain Ganakelf!!!1!!!!1one!!!!:eek:

[Campir]

Umm, cool. But, who's your most sued character?

[Ravager]

Its a tie between sonic and toon link. Hard choice, Sonic can go super sonic and pwn everyone. And Toon link can triforce slash combo someone to pieces.:infl_thumbs_up:

[Cool Joe Smith]

My favorite characters are the Kirby series ones, but i really like to play as link, his down A in mid air owns.

[Campir]

Hmmm, interesting. A lot of people seem to like characters that are more melee based, or use swords (meta knight, toon link,marth, etc). Do you think this is to do with the fact that they are good, powerful characters, or do people use them just because there just flat out cool.

[Ravager]

I believe its a mixture of being flat out cool, and powerful. Toon link may be small, but he can take serious punishment before flying of anywhere.

[Anubarak]

Metaknight is my favorite character and I OWN with him! so metaknight ftw!

[Ravager]

I agree, Meta-Knight is fun and powerful, yet can die too easily when used by newbies. I find him a more Advanced character.

[Anduril]

Me?
My avatar sort of speaks for itself, and I kick people around the wall with Kirby
I haven't played it all that much yet, only about 7 hours (at a friend's house)I wish I could get a wii.............sob.........

[MySpaceBarBroke]

If I feel like button mashing to piss a friend off, Link.
If I feel like playing skillfully, Kirby.

[Night_Gob]

I haven't tried the new one yet but on the old one Link and Donkey Kong was my favorites

[donut3.5]

Mewtwo was my old favorite, so I'm guessing my new favorite will be Lucario..
Metaknight as well, they both seem like my style.
Oh well, I get to see in 4 days! :D
--donut3.5--

[Rocker742]

Mmmm Olimar and pikmin ftw ^_^.

I love just tossing pikmin at people then smashing them wit a purple :D

[Formula1]

Capn Falcon and the Ice climbers.......

Show me ya moves!

And I'll eventually start using samus or link or Lucas....
-Just to use their tether recovery while short hopping as a way to keep people under control...
But not yet........

[Klipso]

i play: Toon Link

[Gallin]

Link Is The Coolest!!!

[Campir]

If I feel like button mashing to piss a friend off, Link.
If I feel like playing skillfully, Kirby.

Lol, kirby is by far one of the easiest characters in the game. His down B is a shield and a high damaging move, his jump makes his fall-off recoveries simple, and his size makes him hard to hit. Often times when I meet people newer at the game i suggest they play kirby to learn the basics. Link requires more skill in SSBB then he did in SSBM or SSB, mostly because they nerfed his up B (not as fast).

Also at Ravager: Meta Knight is pretty easy aswell. He's easy to mess up with and die, but his long lasting spin moves are huge damage dealers and easy to pull off.

I find characters like Lucario, R.O.B and Jigglypuff the hardest to play. Lucario is difficult because so many people don't know wtf Lucario's down B does, and because a lot of his moves are hard to pull off (i.e. dodging his power ball (b) is simple, pulling off his down B is hard, his up B does no damage (to my knowledge), etc). There for I find lucario to be more a hit, run, shoot, run some more character.
R.O.B is hard (expecially online) because of his need to be "away". His laser (B) fucking ownz, but has a cooldown which is extremely gay. His down B pretty much sucks... no ones dumb enough to run into the top, thus it's really only good if, when you launch it, it makes immediate impact with someone. He's also not to good in melee (except for his side B which is pretty nasty) making him hard to play on small or bumpy maps. Therefore all R.O.B has in his arsenal are good "c" stick moves (I use gamecube controller), a powerful B, and a good up B. So if you play R.O.B expect to be hovering off a lot to get in an ideal laser shooting position!
Jigglypuff is fucking gay... WTF DOES HER DOWN B DO! Seriously her B moves is all she has, and that sucks to. Jigglypuff is by far the worst character and I have yet to see someone use her online.

So... yah.

[donut3.5]

Jigglypuff > you. What you do with rest is you sleep between their legs and they get owned. Rollout is great as well.
--donut3.5--

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I found out Lucario's down B much faster than I figured out that of Olimar's. And Lucario's is infinitely more useful, for that matter.
His down B is a shield
Not if you're playing against someone who doesn't suck. He'll dodge you and rape you with his grab.

[Campir]

I found out Lucario's down B much faster than I figured out that of Olimar's. And Lucario's is infinitely more useful, for that matter.

Not if you're playing against someone who doesn't suck. He'll dodge you and rape you with his grab.

What I was trying to say that Lucario is hard to play yet extremely good. Also Olimars down B is way easier to figure out simply because you don't have to be in combat for it to work.

[Anduril]

Lucario is surprisingly like Mewtwo, I think, but faster and with more traction and does more damage. His Final Smash only seems to be worth it if your enemies already have a lot of damage on them. (Everyone knows that he does more damage the more he's taken, right?)

[Campir]

His final smash is great if there close to the epicenter of it and you start hitting them at the begining. However is its considered underpowered compared to impossible to miss with final smashes like ganondorfs or olimars.

[Teh_Ephy]

I play as Zelda, and could beat your ass back and forth. Mario is also an unbelievably beast, and Luigi sucks much less than in Melee. Peach is pretty BA. R.O.B. and Wolf are beasts. Falco is slightly cooler than he was (throwing the reflector), and Fox is still a really nice speed character. Pikachu is more powerful. Marth got nerfed :(. Samus has become more of a power hitter like Falcon, and then Zero Suit Samus is fast as hell. I just can't run Wario, but the computers are nasty as hell. I don't get it. I can't even run Dedede, and I don't understand how anyone can, unlike where I'm just not good with Wario. Gannon is funny. Link's ^B is no longer rigged (doesn't send as far, slightly slower). Toon link's bombs made me cry for joy. Jigglypuff is an unbelievable can of beatdown, except her Final Smash is totally useless. I can't run Lucario at all :(. Pokémon trainer is funny. I'm only okay with Meta Knight, though I can see how he is good. Falcon beats ass. Bowser is funny.

I usually don't use special (B) attacks (mostly excluding side+B, especially when I'm playing as someone other than Zelda), but Zelda's Din's Fire (side+B) is sooooooooo great for sniping (I break the trend by being able to play range :D). Nayru's love is so much faster than in SSBM, I sometimes just spam that when up close. Her regular attacks just beat ass, although they messed with the range on the uber damage for her side air attack. I beat ass as Sheik in SSBM, but I don't play her as much in SSBB. I can still juggle fairly well if I do, though.

[Darth_Muppet]

Luigi!!! His new taunts are so kick ass and his final smash is deadly if you know how to use it :D Love his dash attack also.

[BlackArmsShadow]

IKE BIATCH! Link can take his sword and stuff it up his ass! My favorite move? Aether. :spell_breaker:

[Teh_Ephy]

IKE BIATCH! Link can take his sword and stuff it up his ass! My favorite move? Aether. :spell_breaker:

You would probably be what most people would call a "n00b" who spams attacks. Ike is a rigged little bitch.

[MySpaceBarBroke]

My friend rapes people with Marth.

[Anduril]

I'm glad Link's up-B isn't so f-ingly rigged anymore.

[BlackArmsShadow]

You would probably be what most people would call a "n00b" who spams attacks. Ike is a rigged little bitch.

No, IKE IS GOD! He's almost as badass as Chuck Norris. But, it's your opinion. :thumbs_up: ADD: But Anduril, you can charge it up now.

[Anduril]

Are you following me?
I just went to User CP and you had replied to my post from like 1.5 minutes ago
I responded to that, now you're here!
I'll post this, then you'll have posted there again
Anyway, I still like Kirby

[Teh_Ephy]

There's a very fine line between "god" and "rigged little bitch." And what was rigged about Link's Whirling Blade was that it was executed almost instantly, and sent enemies flying far. It does the first a little bit, but not the second.

[BlackArmsShadow]

Ike's not my only favorite. I also like Wolf.

[Teh_Ephy]

Wolf is a beast. I've heard that he's easy to use, though. Definitely the best character I've found for the trick for getting stickers and music fast.

[Anduril]

I like pokemon trainer (mostly because the Nintendo people came to my house and used me for the character) because he can swap different people
I also think Samus is good, because her final smash is beast and Zero Suit Samus is really fast (and really other things, but I won't go into that)

[Teh_Ephy]

the Nintendo people came to my house and used me for the character I thought they used the FR/LG male trainer?

I also think Samus is good, because her final smash is beast and Zero Suit Samus is really fast (and really other things, but I won't go into that) That laz0r is totally beast. It can even suck in people slightly behind you. Probably the best final smash in the game. Zero Suit Samus packs a surprising punch, as light as she is.

[The Last Istari]

I play as Snake. (It looks like I'm the only Snake mainer here.)

Guy can create hazards, control the stage. His C4 can stick on his enemies (Yes, you can stick your friends, try it. It's so satisfying) his nikita is good at stealing the smash ball. He can manipulate the grenades. Hits hard with his tilts. His cypher is INCREDIBLE. And if you fail to recover with the cypher, you can use C4 and bomb yourself in order to use it again.

Snake is pretty much god in every way.

[Teh_Ephy]

Din's Fire is great for stealing the smash ball. Zelda hits hard with side attacks. Cypher is rigged :(
I can't really deal with Snake's air attacks. The timing is weird.

[Shadow_Fox]

I don't use items, period, so final smashes do not factor into my use of a character, i'd say i am tied for main use on lucario\wolf\toon link, i also like snake and zero suit samus, also wtf Ike is EPIC LAME, not to hard to beat either -_^

[Anduril]

I know that they used the FR/LG trainer, and this is the point where I make up BS about them using me for the FR/LG trainer, but lying gets boring (or am I just lying?). They used me for the Lucario concept in D/P

Unfortuanately, I can't use the character that is me very well.

[Teh_Ephy]

I don't use items, period, so final smashes do not factor into my use of a character, i'd say i am tied for main use on lucario\wolf\toon link, i also like snake and zero suit samus, also wtf Ike is EPIC LAME, not to hard to beat either -_^

You should at least know how to play with and without items.

I know that they used the FR/LG trainer, and this is the point where I make up BS about them using me for the FR/LG trainer, but lying gets boring (or am I just lying?). They used me for the Lucario concept in D/P

Unfortuanately, I can't use the character that is me very well.

Uh huh. I can see how Lucario is good, but I can't run him. I can't run Sheik anymore either. Out of practice :(.

[BlackArmsShadow]

Lucario's play-style is similar to Mewtwo's in Melee.

By the way... want to post eachother's Brawl FC?

[Teh_Ephy]

I wouldn't mind, except I lag horribly over Nintendo WFC.

[donut3.5]

New favorites: Snake and Wario. Heavy and pack so much power.
--donut3.5--

[Teh_Ephy]

Snakes attacks are rather awkward. They take some time to get used to.

[donut3.5]

His up smash owns, because while a lot of people realize it goes up, they forget about gravity :P
--donut3.5--

[Xzife_TD01]

snake is pretty good, but i think hes hard to get used to at first, i prefer Meta Knight just because of his midair forward or backward A attack. Its hard to say who im best with though, just because all my friends totally suck at the game, and computers are sometimes to stupid to put up with, but my favorite 3 would have to be Meta Knight, Ike, and Samus.

[The Last Istari]

Snake is an absolute demon from hell if used right.

Whenever I play as Snake, it's gotten to the point where my friends groan when I select him. When I win, it first starts out as groaning, then leads to shouting, quitting, questioning of Snake's sexual preference, questioning of my sexual preference. It's quite funny.

[Anduril]

Snake is an absolute demon from hell if used right.

Whenever I play as Snake, it's gotten to the point where my friends groan when I select him. When I win, it first starts out as groaning, then leads to shouting, quitting, questioning of Snake's sexual preference, questioning of my sexual preference. It's quite funny.

What, they think Snake's straight or something? You have weird friends....

[Xzife_TD01]

Snake is an absolute demon from hell if used right.

Whenever I play as Snake, it's gotten to the point where my friends groan when I select him. When I win, it first starts out as groaning, then leads to shouting, quitting, questioning of Snake's sexual preference, questioning of my sexual preference. It's quite funny.

lol it must be natural to people who lose at the game then, cuz my friends do the exact same thing when i pick Meta Knight. With the exception of calling him the cheapest and best character in the game, and that im only good at ssbb cuz i use him lol.

[Teh_Ephy]

Lol, Ike is the cheapest, but he's certainly not the best. That slot would go to one of: Mario, Luigi, Link, Ganon, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Meta Knight, Snake, and a couple others I can't think of. Ike would be in there, except he's cheap.

[Anduril]

Is anyone god at Pikachu up-b? My friend could do it like 10 times in a row on Melee

[Teh_Ephy]

Ten in a row? Most I can manage is two. I've tried to get three, but never could.

[The Last Istari]

As far as I know. 10 is impossible, the max you can do is 2.

[Anduril]

Not 10, I was exaggerating
He could do at least three or four, though
It was insane

[Xzife_TD01]

huh, i always thought that the most you could do is 2, im almost positive of it. Im not accusing you of lying or anything like that, its just that if they gave Pikachu any more jumps that 2 on his quick attack, he would be closer to meta knight, pit, R.O.B., and kirby at recovering.

[smily132]

I"m gonna say link, as i'm probably best with him. Although I like using Olimar

[Anduril]

I'm talking about in Melee....I dunno how Brawl's Pikachu is different

[Teh_Ephy]

Brawl's Pikachu is a yellow can of electric-mouse beat-ass. All of the Melee characters received a boost in what feels like power (even Marth, except they killed his range) and Pikachu seems to have been on the higher end of that spectrum.

[The Last Istari]

They buffed the space animals?

Goddamnit.

[Gauntlet2021]

In order starting from best, my top 3 characters are: Ike, Toon Link, and Lucario. I can dominate with Ike and usually with Toon Link, but Lucario I mostly use for fun.

[Teh_Ephy]

Ike is a fairly overpowered character, and it's much easier to be cheap with Ike than to be cheap with most of the other characters.

[The Last Istari]

People say Snake is rigged, but he's actually quite the unorthodox character.

[Teh_Ephy]

Snake's attacks are weird as hell to use, but very convenient once you're used to them.

[Gauntlet2021]

Ike is a fairly overpowered character, and it's much easier to be cheap with Ike than to be cheap with most of the other characters.

That's what I'm told :wink:. I try to avoid being cheap whenever I play, I play for fun rather than to win so I don't want other people feeling cheated.

[Teh_Ephy]

Well, all (most) of the characters can be cheap, it's just easy with Ike.

[donut3.5]

Ike and Snake are really powerful, Snake's smashes are devastating, and Ike is pretty devastating as well. One character I am cheap with is Wario. Wario Waft owns at breaking the Smash Ball while blowing your enemies out of the way, and his up-B is good at getting the Smash Ball as well. I mostly like heavy characters, which is a big change from the last game, where I liked faster characters. Used to like Metaknight, but his lack of powerful moves made me dislike him. Toon Link is good, mainly for bosses though.
--donut3.5--

[Teh_Ephy]

Toon Link is rigged for bosses. Sit there on top of them spamming his mid-air down attack.

[Draxor99]

"WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE WE LIKE IKE" Says the crowd as Ike owns everybody on the screen, 500 times, in only a minute.

[Formula1]

Snake
Marth
Fox

[Vasxazard]

Solid Snake

Reasons: He uses real weapons and not any sissy... turnips... and also because his special smash is so brilliant and yet at the same time brutal.

[Teh_Ephy]

Ike is a rigged little bitch, and Snake's final smash is a game breaker. Snake is a very unorthodox character the rest of the time, though. He takes a while to get used to, but I can imagine that he would rock ass if you were good with him. Ike is just too easy to be cheap with, compared to other characters.

[Vasxazard]

I completly agree with you, and my second favorite charecter is definently Samus (not Zero Suit) since I belive she is a challenge to master especially if your like me and don't use the special smash.. or super smash. What ever it's called.

[Teh_Ephy]

Final Smash? Anyways, Ike is fun to play with, but easy to be cheap with. I myself like Ganon, Zelda, and Jigglypuff.

[The Last Istari]

Dorficide!

Anyways, it's true, Snake really kicks ass once you get used to him.

[Formula1]

Just Because I like this thread.......
I'll say why I like them..........

Snake Trick Master
You do tricky things with him..... alot of it........ (Dsmash, Down B infinite Jump, B Sheild grenade throw/drop) While also having Power moves that are kinda hard to get off but if you do... your deadly....Like the F-air and the D-air....... Also... His Taunt Can be used as a spike which makes him awesome.......

Marth Forsight
Forsight at its best, you know when someones going to attack and prepare for it with Down B... You know when some one will block and use the B..... You can usually hit people before they get too close with all of his moves and his Up air is perfect for killing when your ariels won't do the job or your about to land and the landing lag will screw you over....

Fox Basic combo ability
The Down B is still a beauty to get off.... especially off the ledge... The blaster isn't some stunner.... Just racks up damage so your enemy will have to run towards you.... his jumps are rediculously quick but once you get used to them makes him rediculous in the air especially with his f-air and b-air... Forward B.... eh.... Up B.... eh....

THats what I like about him....

I'm not a fan of smashing... I'd rather use a tilt before a smash... Comes out quicker and gives me a combo oppertunity....

[KyonKun]

Samus is my favorite since she kicks ass, and also since she was my favorite Nintendo charecter when I was growing up.

[Xzife_TD01]

Snake D+B infinite jump? Ive never noticed that that makes an infinite jump.

[Formula1]

Snake D+B infinite jump? Ive never noticed that that makes an infinite jump.

theres videos of it...
You basically Blow yourself up if you time it right.... :D

Allowing you to do it OVER AND OVER again...
And give yourself another up B....

Obviously at high damage its no good....
But its still pretty awesome

[Teh_Ephy]

I don't like what they did to the counters for the Fire Emblem characters. They take a split-second from actually moving the sword into position for them to actually be able to block.

[Xzife_TD01]

Thats because its a counter, if it took, say, two seconds to do it, your opponents (assuming you weren't fighting stupid computers) would see it coming and wouldn't attack. They have to make counters able to activate fast or else it wouldn't be a counter.

[Teh_Ephy]

No, that's not what I mean. In Melee, Marth and Roy would be able to counter immediately after hitting down+B. In Brawl, there's a split-second lag between the time you actually hit down+B and when Marth/Ike is actually able to counter a move. It's much less useful now.

[Formula1]

No, that's not what I mean. In Melee, Marth and Roy would be able to counter immediately after hitting down+B. In Brawl, there's a split-second lag between the time you actually hit down+B and when Marth/Ike is actually able to counter a move. It's much less useful now.

I know what your talking about... I've been hit mid move....

But usually you know when your enemies coming.... theres no time for them to back down...

[EmBeR_NaGa]

I say Falco is my favorite character because even though hes kind of a clone to Fox, Falco can do large amounts of combos and moves in just a few seconds, even though theres hardly no such thing as combos in Brawl. :hohum:

If I ever get a match with a Smashball, I'll usually always get the Smashball for some reason (Lucky :grin:). And btw, Falco's Landmaster x2 pwns Fox's and Wolf's Landmaster. :thumbs_up:

"Personally, I prefer the air!" :xxd:

[Teh_Ephy]

Yeah. The cannon is too awkward to aim, and while Wolf's Landmaster can also push people off of the top (Killing them while they're invincible... lol), it doesn't last nearly as long. Of course, you can always do a barrel roll for massive damage.

[Xzife_TD01]

i never liked any of the starfox characters final smash just because, in my opinion, they are way to easy to dodge, and the fact that all of them turn slowly make it very hard to react to someone who has jumped over you. About the only thing you can do is jet upward and try and make them get to high and ko them, but usually they just run right off.

I always thought that Marth had a fun final smash to play with, simply because it can shoot you across the entire stage, with the exception of some of the larger stages like new pork city, and temple.

Im also a fan of transformation final smashes, like sonic, wario, bowser, samus, ect. I would say that samus has the best transformation, turning into zero suit. She is probably the best character in terms of combo potential because if you know how to use her, you can get a very powerful three hit combo if the first move hits. Just use a fully charged B, and if that hits, follow it up with another stun from her down+A smash, then her forward+A smash, and you can deliver a good chunk of damage.

[Formula1]

Im also a fan of transformation final smashes, like sonic, wario, bowser, samus, ect. I would say that samus has the best transformation, turning into zero suit. She is probably the best character in terms of combo potential because if you know how to use her, you can get a very powerful three hit combo if the first move hits. Just use a fully charged B, and if that hits, follow it up with another stun from her down+A smash, then her forward+A smash, and you can deliver a good chunk of damage.

Dash A can lead to an imediate up tilt also.........
FY!.........
He is Quite the character....
ANd any time an enemy is above you....... Up B........

[Xzife_TD01]

ANd any time an enemy is above you....... Up B........

Plus, if your opponent has a low percentage, you can juggle them for quite a while toggling between up+B and up+A smash

[Draxor99]

Ike is a rigged little bitch, and Snake's final smash is a game breaker. Snake is a very unorthodox character the rest of the time, though. He takes a while to get used to, but I can imagine that he would rock ass if you were good with him. Ike is just too easy to be cheap with, compared to other characters.

Snake is masterful at a duel, he can plant bombs every where, throw down a couple of grenades, and shoot a missile at anyone who gets knocked up in the air (depending on the stage) they're not going to be touching the ground if it's a real pro.

[Formula1]

Snake is masterful at a duel, he can plant bombs every where, throw down a couple of grenades, and shoot a missile at anyone who gets knocked up in the air (depending on the stage) they're not going to be touching the ground if it's a real pro.

Except when fighting olimar or marth....
I've beeen able to keep my pace when I'm either of those kids....

But Olimar is a cheap little whoar... :/

[Xzife_TD01]

how is olimar cheap? Even if you get stuck with pikmin, you can just shake em off with a strong attack.

[THAMASTER94]

SSBB has not been released in europe but i think my fav will be zero suit samus

[Formula1]

how is olimar cheap? Even if you get stuck with pikmin, you can just shake em off with a strong attack.

ANd when you contantly worried about Olimars smashes... You dont always have the time to....

Smashes, Ariels, The forward and Up B....

[Teh_Ephy]

The problem is, the rest of his attacks are mediocre, and he's almost as light as Jigglypuff. He certainly can't recover like Jigglypuff can.

[Xzife_TD01]

The problem is, the rest of his attacks are mediocre, and he's almost as light as Jigglypuff. He certainly can't recover like Jigglypuff can.

Exactly, I guess i could see your point Formula1, but he does certainly have his downside.

[Formula1]

The problem is, the rest of his attacks are mediocre, and he's almost as light as Jigglypuff. He certainly can't recover like Jigglypuff can.

No way...
His ariels are Marth esque asides from a dair which is a spikeand an up air which is nice combo move to protect from most dairs

As for his tilts....
You never really have to use them....
-Just run away and space just right with your forward B
--When they get too close Grab them
--When you see an opening (tons of moves have lag) Smash
--His ariels have enough Distance to override alot of moves and one spikes and the other combos...

His pretty decent
You just got to remember to stay away.... And use for-b as your primary attack

He has minimal weakness Possibly none except for being able to react in time...
But even that he only needs to stay away of whach and react before people get too close...

Only really has to worry about people with projectiles and faster characters...
But both of those are defeated with purple pikmin... and the fact you can dodge...

[Mecheon]

Hey, guess what?

Brawl STILL isn't out here yet :v

However, I have managed to play it, cause someone dragged along a modded Wii to a LAN party. And as such, my favourite character from that little play is good ol' Peach

Seriously, she is murder and will destroy you. Even though playing as her turns into a massive game of "Keep away" and striking your opponents when they least expect it, she is still damn powerful

[Teh_Ephy]

Ugh, Peach beats so much ass. And now she explodes hearts, instead of just explosions.

[The Last Istari]

Hey, guess what?

Brawl STILL isn't out here yet :v

However, I have managed to play it, cause someone dragged along a modded Wii to a LAN party. And as such, my favourite character from that little play is good ol' Peach

Seriously, she is murder and will destroy you. Even though playing as her turns into a massive game of "Keep away" and striking your opponents when they least expect it, she is still damn powerful


If I remember correctly, the release date of Brawl for Australia is either the 26th or the 28th of this month.

[Xzife_TD01]

Hey, guess what?

Brawl STILL isn't out here yet :v

However, I have managed to play it, cause someone dragged along a modded Wii to a LAN party. And as such, my favourite character from that little play is good ol' Peach

Seriously, she is murder and will destroy you. Even though playing as her turns into a massive game of "Keep away" and striking your opponents when they least expect it, she is still damn powerful

ugghh! Peach is so annoying! Most of all her final smash, if u get her to high health, say 150%, and she gets her final smash, forget about it! Your asleep and cant do a thing about it except button mash till your awake, and by then, shes cut her damage percentage by half and probably done a number on you before you wake up. Plus she has an even better counter than Marth and Ike.

Im lucky though, none of my friends like to play as Peach.

[Lord_T]

Olimar, Brutal to master, but worth it.

[Xzife_TD01]

The only thing i really hate about olimar is his final smash, its way to easy to dodge if its on a big enough stage. All you really need to do is move to the left or right, or if its a stage like hyrule or new pork city, or a similar stage, all you need to do to dodge the blunt of his final smash (where the rocket hits the ground) is get under a good size platform away from the center of the stage.

[Teh_Ephy]

You're kidding, right? What about the stampede of shit while he's off-screen? That does a lot of damage.

[Xzife_TD01]

You're kidding, right? What about the stampede of shit while he's off-screen? That does a lot of damage.

it does do a shitload of damage, but it wont kill you, no matter what % you have, plus, if you jump, youll avoid some of the damage and you wont get stuck in the ground.

[VEclipse]

If I feel like button mashing to piss a friend off, Link.
If I feel like playing skillfully, Kirby.

rofl @ you. :ugly:
Link is one of the characters who take the most skill to play.

Watch this video: YouTube - SSBB Combo Video: Linkaggedon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ids3nhCgzRg)

Fav: Link, he owns he has many projectiles and rocked every Zelda game with his badass equipment.

Hate: Noob-Knight, seriously, Sakurai overpowered this character so much with lagless attacks it's not funny anymore - he ends up either Spot 1 or 2 on the upcoming Tier-List (together with Snake)

[Sion36]

I'd have to say my favorite is Lucario. Why? I can actually use him, and in most cases, win. Second is Sonic, and third would be Marth.

[syltman]

Olimar, Brutal to master, but worth it.

I QFT this fellah, Olimar is the shit! Although it took me ages to learn him

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Olimar ofc is the best. So hard to master @_@
Second would probably be Snake =D

[Formula1]

;773682']Olimar ofc is the best. So hard to master @_@
Second would probably be Snake =D

All you need is spacing with olimar,
Jump, Go forward and backward
And Throw those Pikmin
HIs Smashes have enough rand and power to do the rest

And If you want to take some risks, go for some ariels, Up ariel is a favorite of mine

[slawter]

my favourite is Ike, in melee it was roy but they took him out so i learned to use Ike. his final smash is awesome but Giga bowser is my favourite unplayable character (except with bowsers final smash)

i don't see how Ike is rigged.
(btw i don't spam his moves, friends say i do just cause they very rarely beat me.)

the final event (41) was piece of pie compared to melee's (51)
giga bowser, mewtwo and ganondorf (3 lives each)

[Xzife_TD01]

my favourite is Ike, in melee it was roy but they took him out so i learned to use Ike. his final smash is awesome but Giga bowser is my favourite unplayable character (except with bowsers final smash)

i don't see how Ike is rigged.
(btw i don't spam his moves, friends say i do just cause they very rarely beat me.)

the final event (41) was piece of pie compared to melee's (51)
giga bowser, mewtwo and ganondorf (3 lives each)

Ikes smashes are overpowered imo. Especially Up A smash. Even with a midair dodge, you cant dodge it because the strike is prolonged for such a long time.

[Hawkwing]

I've always liked Luigi, I really don't know why. But I'm fairly good with him and he's cool. ;P

My second favourite is Bowser because of his high damage attacks, and the fact that I don't care about speed too much.

Third would be Falco, I get bored of slow characters every once in a while.

[Teh_Ephy]

Ike is rigged because all of his moves are so easily abused.
Also, I recently discovered the incredible awesome that is Meta Knight :D
I don't have any idea why I didn't earlier, probably because I played him in Subspace Emissary.

[Arvedui]

My favorite has always been Donkey Kong. I've always been awesome with him, even in the original SSB.

Other than DK, I like Ganondorf and Bowser.

[Xzife_TD01]

Ike is rigged because all of his moves are so easily abused.
Also, I recently discovered the incredible awesome that is Meta Knight :D
I don't have any idea why I didn't earlier, probably because I played him in Subspace Emissary.

DK is a pretty good character as well. He has more reach than any other character ('sides chars with projectile attacks). And his attacks are all pretty powerful. Plus he has the combo of Forward B followed by fully charged B for a huge amount of damage.

[Teh_Ephy]

lol, I keep on forgetting about DK. I was always saying that Marth used to have the longest range, and now R.O.B. does, but I forgot about DK. He does have a massive range, doesn't he?

[Formula1]

lol, I keep on forgetting about DK. I was always saying that Marth used to have the longest range, and now R.O.B. does, but I forgot about DK. He does have a massive range, doesn't he?

DKs ftilt ftw
But otherwise, no :/ besides his Down B

[slawter]

ike's smash may be over powered but they're slow which leaves you open to attack.

btw does anyone know why they took mewtwo and roy out the game?

[MySpaceBarBroke]

btw does anyone know why they took mewtwo and roy out the game?
To make room for Lucario and Ike?

Yeesh, Brawl is already more like a twin than an evolution of Melee as it is.

[Formula1]

To make room for Lucario and Ike?

Yeesh, Brawl is already more like a twin than an evolution of Melee as it is.

I disagree
I'd say more a devolution/User freindliness

The Gravity isn't as bad for every character, no L canceling, Short hops are pretty high and dodges are obviously able to done more then once and allows an attack

It seems more to be a more User freindly game then Melee

[XGunnarX]

i like playing Snake and Link the most
i ussually go random though:grin:

[Puppetier]

My favorite to play is Metaknight and Grey Wolf

[Razorbrain]

Ganondorf : He is just too overpowered :D

anyhow, i must say that i actually think Brawl is more of an evolution than a de-evolution. It requires more thinking and less "oh hai, i know this combo and can do these things much faster" and its a lot more balanced than Melee

[Teh_Ephy]

Ganondorf is slow. If you have good reactions, you can dance circles around him.

[Razorbrain]

Most of his attacks are slow, yes, but speed doesnt seem to be a problem for me :P

[Teh_Ephy]

Do you play real people, or computers? If computers, what level?

[Razorbrain]

real people

[Formula1]

real people

Theres still combos.... Annoying ones at that
Zero Suit Samus-Dash attack, up tilt, Ariel
Ganon-Forward B, down tilt, forward Air. Or Down tilt, a

But theres so many moves that are just plain OP
1) Lucas's Upsmash
2) Diddys Bananas


I agree Melee was a huge amount of Shffle Spam and Chain Grabs. But That was only for the speedy finger people. Everyone else had to just deal with it and figure out a way to avoid it. I consider it a devolution. But I agree its more Thinking kinda. My freinds don't like it as much as melee. So even though it is more intellectual, some People just don't like it as much that way.

They could have just builded upon the Melee engine
-Kept L canceling, Lowered the short hops of certain characters. Or made a character made especially for Uber 1337zorz Ken type players. Now It just seems that that type of playing style is just dead to them : /

[Sygnal]

Hi! Just recently on this forum but drawn to this thread.

Following the recent discussion of melee, from what I've seen Melee was just a big bunch of abuse of some of the mechanic's flaws. In all top competition matches I've seen, the single most commonly used 'move' was wave-dashing. All everyone did was wavedash across the screen and abuse the same combo or move, whether it be Jiggly's WoP or Marth's air flicks.
Whatever the reason, Brawl became drastically different. I could never play Melee up to the completive level, but I can honestly say, that this has been much easier with Brawl.

Back to the original topic, my favorite character would definitely be King DDD. He's a giant Penguin with an equally large hammer. With that alone, he climbs to the top of my list, but as an added bonus, his moveset propels him to #3, just behind Snake and MK, on Smarshboards top Tiers list.

[Formula1]

Hi! Just recently on this forum but drawn to this thread.

Following the recent discussion of melee, from what I've seen Melee was just a big bunch of abuse of some of the mechanic's flaws. In all top competition matches I've seen, the single most commonly used 'move' was wave-dashing. All everyone did was wavedash across the screen and abuse the same combo or move, whether it be Jiggly's WoP or Marth's air flicks.
Whatever the reason, Brawl became drastically different. I could never play Melee up to the completive level, but I can honestly say, that this has been much easier with Brawl.
Thats the thing, They made it easier.... Before you actually could work with fast fingers and quick thinking. Now people that used to be able to pull that off must sacrifice... Just because a bunch of Intermediates want to get into the competitive level.

I'm glad you find it more fun. But I don't think people should sacrifice because some people can't keep up.


Back to the original topic, my favorite character would definitely be King DDD. He's a giant Penguin with an equally large hammer. With that alone, he climbs to the top of my list, but as an added bonus, his moveset propels him to #3, just behind Snake and MK, on Smarshboards top Tiers list.
DDD's Hammer is so fun to get off... I managed to piss off one of my freinds and I don't think he has played Brawl for about a month since...
There may be other reasons why, but thats the only one I could see.

[Sygnal]

This is just from my general viewpoint. I'm sure others have their own unique perspectives about their relation from melee to brawl.

It just seemed to me that melee was all about pulling off a string of combos, in which most cases are near-inescapable. When brawl makes it much easier against aggressors and requires more prediction when you have things like the sidestep.

[Teh_Ephy]

Some of the parry techniques are now more prediction based than timing based. In Melee, I used to just throw that thing out with Marth whenever I felt an attack coming. In Brawl, it takes a half second or so from actually hitting the buttons to actually being able to parry something.

[Drew_]

I've used Kirby since the original SB. I love his play style: fast, but not too fast, and light and powerful, with a lot of versatility. I'm one to dodge rather than shield, so I don't have an issue with Kirby's small shield. Though, he's been getting nerfed every game :(

[Razorbrain]

Brawl Kirby > Melee Kirby

that flying hammer is like it should have been in melee :P

[Drew_]

Brawl Kirby > Melee Kirby

that flying hammer is like it should have been in melee :P

Maybe, but he's lighter now.

[Razorbrain]

but his run -> attack is better now, MUCH better :P

[Teh_Ephy]

DeDeDe's hammer > Kirby's hammer

[Razorbrain]

DeDeDe = not being discussed

[Sygnal]

Let's discuss DDD.

[Formula1]

This is just from my general viewpoint. I'm sure others have their own unique perspectives about their relation from melee to brawl.

It just seemed to me that melee was all about pulling off a string of combos, in which most cases are near-inescapable. When brawl makes it much easier against aggressors and requires more prediction when you have things like the sidestep.

Nonetheless, I don't think they should remove it all togethor...
Its a play style that few people can acheive which sort of makes it a pinacle (or peak... wuteva) of what a person is capable of...

THey should have increased it in my opinion only made it so that there are different weakness's toi each persons fast paced playing style...

Adapted... not removed...

SOme people like the string combos : /

[Sygnal]

Heh, it's just a game.
No one is ever going to be completely satisified.

[Formula1]

Heh, it's just a game.
No one is ever going to be completely satisified.

I mean, their goal is to satisfy as many people as possible though : /
To maximize People who play....

Its not that much of a difference though
just add in L canceling, Make certain Characters Keep Low SHort hops, while others stay high (THey do that with bowser which I think is kinda appropiate)

ANd pretty much you got it,
Moves can be done a lot more quickly
As for Chain Grabs, that would have to deal more with midair dodging and the possibility that grabs do not increase as damage increases.
I like the way you can't chain grab in this one (Much [ddd]), chain grabs wasn't as awesome as Shffl'ing

Everyone else can still keep their old game, while the proz can still dominate.
People like snake and Link could still keep up so long as they had a bomb. And So long as people can infinitly air dodge, they're good to go...

I mean... they could have least made it an option : /

[Sygnal]

Well they definitely succeeded in increasing their player-base. There's certainly a larger audience and quite a bit more diverse.
As for the mechanics itself, there's only so much to add in one go. You'll like to see more, I like what's avaliable. Nevertheless, for every complaint you have, I'm sure there's three things you do approve.

[Teh_Ephy]

String combos did not need skill to execute, they need fast fingers and practice through repetition. The only skill involved is setting it up. It's formulaic and it's boring.

[Formula1]

Well they definitely succeeded in increasing their player-base. There's certainly a larger audience and quite a bit more diverse.
As for the mechanics itself, there's only so much to add in one go. You'll like to see more, I like what's avaliable. Nevertheless, for every complaint you have, I'm sure there's three things you do approve.

Still, if they are just going to continue to make games that don't allow every playing style, it's going to continue to dissappoint me.

I may love Brawl for all the things it does have, But I still want more.
I am satisfied and yet unsatisfied

String combos did not need skill to execute, they need fast fingers and practice through repetition. The only skill involved is setting it up. It's formulaic and it's boring.

Maybe for you, for me it was an awesome sight to see and an awesome thing to learn.

Especially When I started to allow people to just chase me, and when they wanted me to fight I would go all out... Twas Hilarious....

[Teh_Ephy]

Because winning by spamming the exact same mundane button sequences really adds depth to any game of any genre.

[Formula1]

Because winning by spamming the exact same mundane button sequences really adds depth to any game of any genre.

It takes practice to get to it
Like It takes to be able to lift 500 pounds...

But It does in some ways,
WHile you short hop, they can full hop, and unless your char has fast enough attacks, they can grab you before you can react

Sh fair,
They Fh Airdodge, bair
Then its a matter of combinations.

Or you could just Dash, Block and Grab.
Either way theres ways around it.
It does in some ways, it just may not be as obvious as some would think.
Also Projectiles always have an advantage.

Your sarcasm doesn't display the whole truth.

[Razorbrain]

Dash = Glitch

and dont you come saying that it isnt, why arent those that can bouncing like the rest of the characters?(long time since i played melee, so i might be wrong)

anyway, yes, Brawl could be improved MUCH more considering they removed much that should have stayed, like for example now, short hopping. They didnt need to remove it completely, just nerf it down a bit. Marios spin, why the hell turn it into a Dair? does anyone actually use the fludd? or his Dair not for that matter? okay, his Dair wasnt the best in Melee either, but anyway. "Do not destroy what can be fixed"

[Formula1]

Dash = Glitch

and dont you come saying that it isnt, why arent those that can bouncing like the rest of the characters?(long time since i played melee, so i might be wrong)

anyway, yes, Brawl could be improved MUCH more considering they removed much that should have stayed, like for example now, short hopping. They didnt need to remove it completely, just nerf it down a bit. Marios spin, why the hell turn it into a Dair? does anyone actually use the fludd? or his Dair not for that matter? okay, his Dair wasnt the best in Melee either, but anyway. "Do not destroy what can be fixed"

They didn't remove short hop. its just not as useful now that they took out L canceling (Since most moves leave you with landing lag that you cant get out of) and alot of the chars have high shorthops that you need to have awkward timing to hit shorter characters (Capn Falcon, Zamus)

I think by dash you mean Wave Dashing (Though I could be wrong)
Its a glitch, But imo one of my favorite glitches, it creates much faster movement while allowing you to do moves like upsmash without running like in this one.
THe Dash up smash seems more like they're trying to satisfy The wave dashers rather then actually a very necessary move.

As for move changes... theres a bunch I'm not a fan of either...
1) Lucas's Up smash
2) Lucas Up B vs Nesses Up B (Lucas's is stronger and doesn't die when you hit someone while nesses is weaker and dies when you touch someone with it)
3) Donkey Kongs B (Its now a shorthopped move if you want to make it go distance, which is cool and and all.... but still takes away from making DK an Easy char... )
4) Diddy Kongs Bananas (WTF?!?!? SO ANNOYING!!!! I HATE THOSE THINGS, I'll slip on one, then caught on another and unable to get out in levels where theres corners.... And then people say don't attack.... WTF am i supposed to do? Sit back and wait for diddy to stop being a little punk?)
5) Snakes moveset.... everythings rediculous.... up tilt, for tilt, a combo, d tilt, >.>.... his smashes are more a hinderence then helpful, except for the Mortar slide and Down smash... sometimes....

I can't think of any other peoples moves... But yeah...
This game has its ups and downs... I love it though... But I hope they make the next game freindly to noobs and experts instead of just one or the other.

[Razorbrain]

they didnt remove shorthopping? oh, seems i need to read up on my Brawl Knowledge xD

anyhow, DeDeDes B is just horrid according to me. Yes, it might be usefull, but damage? almost none. Knockback? Fixed. It would have been fine if it did something more than just "suck in, blow out", but it seems it wont(since nintendo cant actually make patches)

[Formula1]

they didnt remove shorthopping? oh, seems i need to read up on my Brawl Knowledge xD

anyhow, DeDeDes B is just horrid according to me. Yes, it might be usefull, but damage? almost none. Knockback? Fixed. It would have been fine if it did something more than just "suck in, blow out", but it seems it wont(since nintendo cant actually make patches)

DDD's B is actually something that is very very interesting....

If you can Suck them in, but have them miss you... what actually happens is they go flying at a pretty high speed...

I'll try and find a video of it
A Crappy but pretty much what it is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4NMJGKfu3c)

Its difficult and seems useless, But I'm sure it has its place... though they probably couldve picked something better... this move also has kindof a history...

[Just_Spectating]

No one can beat my wario.

King Dedede is my second fav.

then Snake.

Else i'd use anyone.

however i hate mario. he sucks ass now.

[Sygnal]

Are you joking? DDD's neutral B must be the best utility move ever.
Kirbycide just became a lot easier with DDD. You can now suck someone up while on the ground, turn around, and walk off without them getting out, even against a lvl 9 cpu.
+ Good priority of course for a few easy %s.

[Formula1]

Are you joking? DDD's neutral B must be the best utility move ever.
Kirbycide just became a lot easier with DDD. You can now suck someone up while on the ground, turn around, and walk off without them getting out, even against a lvl 9 cpu.
+ Good priority of course for a few easy %s.

THat sounds about right, SUicidal Moves FTW


I was just thinking about the game and I came to an old conclusion
Moves

Add or Lower The Power Depending on How much Lag it Has
Then Distribute the Lag into
1) Initial Lag
2) Move Duration (Is it a combo move (Ends with a big finali [kirbys down air])/Sex move(strong at first weak after[Link's Neutral Air])?)
3) Ending Lag

Chargable Moves (Smash Attacks) obviously have a choice of Initial Lag, so You decide how much an attack does without charging.

The Only thing that should change about each character is
How many Angles around the character do the A moves effect at once-Links Forward tilt attacks above and infront
Range of the attacks from your character- Dks Forward Tilt
Area of Effect-Like Lucas's Up Smash
Jumping Speed-Fox has incredibly fast jumps
Aerial Speed-Wario has a lot of DI
Movement Speed-Sonic

Bs Should each be something Special. Independent of a characters Attack Balance, Rather its own balance.

[Just_Spectating]

DeDeDe owns you.

[syltman]

Is it just me who thinks sonic moves a bit to fast?

[Teh_Ephy]

IMO, he's awkward to run around with if you're used to slower characters. Fun specials, though.

[Just_Spectating]

Hes one of the worst characters IMO so his special makes up for it. but no one uses specials..

[Razorbrain]

with sonic.....

[Smiddle]

Luigi and Meta-Knight.

[kimpakim7]

Toon Link and Sonic!

[Mor)L(unE]

King Dedede is awsome to play but i haven't unlocked all of the characters yet. never played samus, but he was awsome in the last vers

[The Last Istari]

Dedede and Kirby kamikazes may be easy.

But Ganondorf's Side + B gives you more satisfaction.

[syltman]

Toon link is the man

Snake also

[slawter]

samus is a she not a he

[Deathlust]

I'm going to get drilled, but my favorite characters are in this order (I kind of like the complete opposites of the spectrum, fast and light attackers and slow and heavy attackers):

-Pit - I absolutely love his speed and juggling capabilities. Not to mention how hard edge guarding is against him.

-Peach - She's adorable in every aspect. I particularly love Mushrooming my enemies to death if I can predict them.

-Lucas - I don't know why, but I prefer Lucas to Ness. His projectiles are quite fun... so is smashing peoples' faces in with a bat.

-Lucario - I haven't quite mastered him entirely, as I just recently decided to take him up as I've been trying a lot of other characters, but I like the potential I see in him.

[The Last Istari]

Lucario's great if you're usually the punching bag.

[Deathlust]

Haha, no. I usually zip around, trying to deal as much damage as possible without taking some. His abilities to avoid damage (like Peach), are quite useful. Unlike Peach and Pit, he's a bit slow though. The benefit is that his attacks are powerful enough.

[13lack.1)ragon]

Bowser, Jigglypuff, C. Falcon, Diddy Kong, Falco.
And deathlust, Are you the same one from Clan Mapz forum?

Friend Code: 4553-9652-7420 -if anybody wants to challenge (and lose) to me. (PM me)