Dark Souls

[TwistedImage]

I dunno if this has a thread yet (but I couldn't see one on the front-page), and the Demon's Souls thread didn't get much popularity, but here goes.

Demon's Souls is getting a spiritual successor called Dark Souls. It's supposedly even harder.

It also has a web (http://www.preparetodie.com/en/)... site? (http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/) The graphics and gameplay look great, the concept art is just awesome, and its predecessor was an amazing game.

Am I the only one who's excited by this? :O

[Geazergimli2]

Lol i already made a thread for this, but its dead now :P, but ya im also super excited about this! i don't care how hard they make it, its just gonna make it even more exhilarating!!

[Archangel678]

I'm actually still playing Demon's Souls. Demon's Souls was only really hard for about the first two-three levels, then I realized parrying is useless and shields are your friends.

I hope the do make it harder, and I hope armor actually does something this time around.

[TwistedImage]

I'm still playing Demon's Souls too, and yeah, I agree, except for the armour part. I have a barbarian, and when I got brushwood armour for him - man, he was unstoppable. He oneshots pretty much any lesser enemy and needs tops 5 attacks on the tougher ones, while also being nigh on unkillable.

If you're dex-based or mage, though, it is kinda useless, that I can agree on. For my dex monkey, I just roll around everywhere and get a few backstabs off, and mage... you know, Warding-spam any damage spell.

Allant, though, was ridiculously hard. Might be because I was a complete noob fighting him with my winged spear +7, but he was still ridiculously hard. I lost 10 levels to him or something on my first character. D:

[Archangel678]

Oh, the new website is http://www.preparetodie.com/en/

I have a bad feeling the "Crystal Beauty" (http://www.preparetodie.com/en/gallery/) is going to be the new Crystal Lizard/Gecko, and it might just be flying...

This boss (http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/contents/24_1.html?l=e) looks like it'll be similar to the Flamelurker, capable of closing ground quickly and with a huge size...

Toothache = Pain
(http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/contents/27_3.html?l=e)

[TwistedImage]

Will update OP with new website.

[Skycraft]

I'm excited for it, but it's gonna be a bitch to play through :P

[Archangel678]

Gameplay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6sPHs2EQfc

[TwistedImage]

Gameplay itself looks freaking amazing, and PvP looks like it got more balanced (no more LOL I INSTAKILL YOU?), but it looks a tad.. easy. Even as compared to the first level of DS. I hope it gets a great deal harder.

[Skycraft]

Remember since we have played this kind of game before, it is only natural if it feels easier. It'll be awesome don't worry ;)

[Archangel678]

Well, the first boss is actually two. Like the Maneater boss. Also, remember that the guys who demo is utterly suck.
(They try to block the boar instead of rolling back/to the side.)

I'm thinking the a few of the bosses will be similar to Shadow of the Colossus, where you have to climb up their back and such - Half of the bosses are just too large to try to take out head on.

From what I've seen, you can jump, parrying seems slightly easier, there are small hatchets, the moon grass is now flasks, new fast-cast area of effect spells (similar to God's Wrath just faster), and some insane bosses. I don't think you enter 'soul form' now, you just loose more of your humanity every death. (Notice the changing 'You Died' and 'You Hallowed') This means no -50% health and +20% damage, sadly. However, the plot is pretty unique - I won't go into detail about it, just its... elaborate.


I'll definitely be choosing the Black Knight for the starting character. I'll be unequipping his plate armor, gauntlets, and helmet so he can roll swiftly, and begin dodging every attack as per normal. His starting spear will mean that I can turtle those dreglings, and hopefully those undead knights.

[TwistedImage]

I didn't pay that much attention to the starting classes, I was just disappointed that there were classes at all. It's a bit silly.

I find spears a bit... passive to play with. My favourite weapon in DS was the spear for my first game (god I sucked), but since then I've been hooked on curved swords mostly.

Also, meat cleaver. Hot damn that thing hits hard.

edit: still use the scraping spear for PvP. Nothing's more satisfying than getting angry messages from the black phantoms I killed complaining about how it's unfair that I killed them in addition to their having to pay upwards of 5000 souls for repairs.

[Archangel678]

Always used Blessed Great Axe +4 - I was soul level 40 or 50, damn, I could hit harder than the Meat Cleaver with that set up, and use God's Wrath & Second Chance - talk about over powered.

I never used Curved Swords mostly because they couldn't hit hard - and I tend to like massive weapons.

[TwistedImage]

I liked curved swords mainly for their speed.

Also, meat cleaver hits harder than blessed great axe +anything - meat cleaver hits harder than any other weapon in the game, hands down.

It has highest-rated scaling from both strength and dexterity in addition to a weaker but still significant scaling from faith, as well as a high base damage.

[Archangel678]

I liked curved swords mainly for their speed.

Also, meat cleaver hits harder than blessed great axe +anything - meat cleaver hits harder than any other weapon in the game, hands down.

It has highest-rated scaling from both strength and dexterity in addition to a weaker but still significant scaling from faith, as well as a high base damage.The Meat Cleaver's base damage is terrible. Sure, if you have even stats with Strength and Dexterity, its great. For a Faith- based build, the best weapons in the game are the Great Axe, Large Sword of Moonlight, or a Blessed Greatsword.

Saying the Meat Cleaver is the best depends on your build. Sure, if you have a balanced stats character, you'll do okay. The best set up possible is having an minimum soul level of around 20-30 and have the Northern Regalia and a Black World Tendancy, which, at this soul level, will always hit harder than the Meat Cleaver. However, this is extremely hard to achieve.

My Blessed Great Axe +4 does around 400-470 per hit. With a Meat Cleaver, I deal around 340-380.

My strength is 26, and my faith is around 36.

Meat Cleaver Base Damage + Slight Health Restore on Attacks: 90/90 (180) + S/S/-/A

Great Axe +4 Base Damage + Constant Health Regeneration: 172/170 (342) + E/E/-/B

Northern Regalia Base Damage PBWT: 270/270 (540) + -/-/-/-

Because my PvP character is designed to hit hard with a low soul level, the stat scaling is useless to me. However, the Meat Cleaver would likely out damage my Axe if I had 50+ stats.

Maybe we should start a group? o.o And ramble more there? :P

[TwistedImage]

Maybe we should.

I was basing my argument off potential damage fyi.

[Archangel678]

We really should make a group.

I was basing my argument off potential damage fyi.Oh... well, in that case.... XD

I guess I should've specified that more...

NEW WEAPON:

OFFENSIVE SHIELDS!

Picture below, look at the shield with the dagger

Hopefully it'll be ingame.

[Gray_Fox]

I can't wait for this, Demon's Souls was an instant classic for me ;D
I do hope they allow us to play as the boss again^^

[TwistedImage]

Being a boss like a boss was pretty awesome.

I recall trolling there. I had 99 of four grass types, and wore my tower shield. I used no other weapon than the storm ruler.

Knock down enemy repeatedly.

Don't let him archstone. NEVER. EVER.

I let him win at ~40 minutes in.

Also, DS had offensive shields. Well, shield. But it sucked.

Have you tried two-handing the tower shield and bashing enemies? Shit was so cash.

[Gray_Fox]

Never tried that but i do remember making people rly pissed off with my Scraping Spear XD
( it drains like 10% durability with each hit )

[Geazergimli2]

I do hope they allow us to play as the boss again^^

haha that to me was my favorite part, the challenger got no sympathy from me..! ^^

[Gray_Fox]

haha that to me was my favorite part, the challenger got no sympathy from me..! ^^

Hiding behind the doorway and firestorm when he enters much? ;P

[Geazergimli2]

Hiding behind the doorway and firestorm when he enters much? ;P

Haha..... Oooo so you were the one who did that to me!?! ^^ hehe

[Gray_Fox]

Quite possibly, i barbequed alot of ppl :grin:

[Jeutie]

I have never even tried it lold XD .)

[Skycraft]

Magic
- Catalysts/Talisman’s return and are used in the same way, but now have different appearances
- Magic now uses a charge system: each spell has a limited number of uses, varied based on the strength of the magic


A charge system?
I don't like charge systems >:(

[TwistedImage]

I think a charge system sounds good. Better for PvP, that's for sure. Plague- and poison clouds in PvP - oh God.

You have been plagued and poisoned! but you cure it and engage your enemy. You're crushing him, but he's all trololo roll away trololo spices trololo plague/poison rinse and repeat trololo you have been defeated.

[what_a_lucker]

I can't wait for this game, and the new spell system seems unique, I guess no more mindless firespray or firestorm compared to Demon's Souls.

[TwistedImage]

So what does everyone think of the game?

I think it's better than Demon's Souls, that's for sure. The online is god-awful, though; no longer can you coordinate to co-op with a friend. In addition, scaling is too weak and covenants are too easy to break (Mushroom falls off cliff, you have sinned). Aside from that, I have no complaints, really.

I just killed Pinwheel in the catacombs today and joined the forest hunters. I've been playing non-stop all weekend. >:D

[-Derp-]

So what does everyone think of the game?

I think it's better than Demon's Souls, that's for sure. The online is god-awful, though; no longer can you coordinate to co-op with a friend. In addition, scaling is too weak and covenants are too easy to break (Mushroom falls off cliff, you have sinned). Aside from that, I have no complaints, really.

I just killed Pinwheel in the catacombs today and joined the forest hunters. I've been playing non-stop all weekend. >:D


I'm already in NG+.



I started as a Thief, I killed the Asylum Demon without running and got its hammer. (Killed it with the Broken Sword.)

I put in roughly ~400 hours into Demon's Souls, so the 'difficulty' of Dark Souls isn't too bad for me. The biggest difference difficulty wise is that you're actually fighting more than one enemy at a time and that there is a significant increase in the number of traps.

I've noticed small differences, such as fall damage actually doing something, four different types of rolling speed, shields being effective against bosses, rolling timing slightly off, etc. This is excluding the obvious differences like the use of Estus, open world, etc...



I went in the order of:

Asylum -> Taurus -> Gargoyle -> Stray -> Quelaag -> Butterfly -> Golem -> Sif -> Capra -> Gaping -> Discharge -> Pinwheel -> Priscella -> Ornstein/Smough -> Firesage -> Centipede -> Bed -> Four Kings -> Seath -> Nito -> Gwyndolin -> Gwyn


Hardest boss for me was Ornstein/Smough, I think I died six times, most bosses take me only 0-2 deaths to beat. (Gwyn took me two deaths to beat, to put it roughly.) Easiest boss was either Butterfly or Pinwheel. Most fun boss for me was probably the Stray demon, as I was like soul level 17 when I killed it. (Minimum requirements to use the Black Knight Sword, no other stats modified.) I personally think the coolest boss was the Gaping Dragon.

Online is... poor. Eye of Death doesn't work, its really hard to invade others for dragon scales, etc.



The only covenant that are easy to break are Forest and Darkmoon, Forest due to the glitches and Darkmoon due to curiosity.
HOWEVER, to complete the game some covenants are required to be broken, like Gravelord Servant.

Also, about the scaling - with 50 strength and 18 dexterity, my Black Knight Sword +5 deals roughly 460 damage. Off of memory, the sword has a scaling value of C, and that number turns out to be a bonus of around +160. So yeah, the scaling is reduced by alot.

[Geazergimli2]

i would get this game right now if it wasn't for uncharted 3, BF3, and Skyrim =\

[TwistedImage]

i would get this game right now if it wasn't for uncharted 3, BF3, and Skyrim =\

GET

THEM

ALL

I have no idea what BF3 is and I haven't played Uncharted games, but Skyrim's gonna be amazing, and the two others are presumably amazing.

It's just 200 - errr, sorry, capitalism - 220-240 euros!

[-Derp-]

Found out how to duplicate souls. :x

Wish it didn't exist in this game.

[TwistedImage]

You could just, like, you know, not do it. :|

Wish I could play more. Gosh darned OCD.

[-Derp-]

You could just, like, you know, not do it. :|

Wish I could play more. Gosh darned OCD.

Uh, it messes up the scoreboards. Check the Chaos Servant's roster, there's players with like 12k humanity. The Demon's Souls the scoreboards were somewhat accurate, excluding the Japanese version.

The duplication will also lead to alot more OP black phantoms, which is obnoxious. Usually if I'm going to be invaded I want a decent fight that lasts more than 5 seconds. :|



Speaking of overpowered builds, I think I've found one that's pretty good. Divine Avelyn +10 (Triple Shot Crossbow) with lightning bolts, Lightning Great Scythe +5, Fire Shotel +10 with the spell Tranquil Walk will decimate pretty much any build.

[Ramza]

I'm playing it right now, and I think it's an amazing game. Way too many people are using those souls and humanity glitches though.
I once killed someone who invaded the Dark Forest, and got 880.000 souls. Ditched them all...

I really hope they fix this soon.

[TwistedImage]

I've decided that PvP really isn't my thing for now.

Started a new character because my first one had a derp stat distribution, and mainly levelled strength.

I am now Havel. Considering exchanging my dragon's tooth for a demon's greataxe. Dunno which is best at its peak.

[-Derp-]

If you can upgrade the Dragon Tooth with the normal upgrade paths, then use it. (Although I doubt it uses the normal upgrade path.)

If you can't, then Demon's Greataxe will likely out-damage it if its fully upgraded, so I suggest you use it.

[Ramza]

The basic level Dragon Tooth damage is almost as high (if not higher) than the Demon's Greataxe on max level though, I believe. Even the regular Greataxe does more damage (using one right now).

Or am I thinking about the wrong axe? You mean the one the taurens use in the lava level, right?

[-Derp-]

Dragon Tooth only has a stat scaling of D, at 50 strength expect a scaling of around 125. (Using a crappy formula.)



When fully upgraded, the Dragon Tooth should inflict 435 damage, it never breaks, and provides +20 to Magic and Fire defense. It uses Dragon Scales to upgrade. From experience, +20 defense will save probably 20-30 health per hit, and its about equivalent to an extra helmet. The never breaking part is convenient, but it won't really save any souls.


The Demon's Greataxe damage: (http://darksouls.wikidot.com/demons-greataxe)
Normal +15 285 + A/-/-/- Stat Scaling (Expect around 150 scaling damage with 50 strength.)
Divine +10: 427 + D/E/-/B Stat Scaling + 10% Damage vs Undead (Expect around 130 scaling with 30 faith, 50 strength.)
Occult +5: 417 + E/D/-/A Scaling + 10% Damage vs Holy Units (Expect around 115 scaling with 30 faith, 50 strength.)



So the Greataxe with Occult/Divine upgrades with say, 30 Faith will likely inflict around 550 damage.
The tooth will inflict around 560 damage when maxed out with 50 strength.
If your faith stat is low (>40), stick with the Tooth. If not, get the axe and upgrade to Divine or Occult.

[Ramza]

Yeah, I put nothing in faith.

For now I'm using a normal Greataxe, which I'll probably upgrade to fire or chaos (unless those are better with faith as well, don't know yet), till I can use Dragon Tooth.

[TwistedImage]

Derp, I didn't have the greataxe yet when I made that post. I do now, though.

Also, the scaling on the tooth is lower. The scaling on the axe, however, is much, much higher. With 50 strength I get +237 damage on a +10 demon's greataxe. As of now, though, I need 2 more endurance to even wield it.

It'll be hilarious. Even with the tooth, I am 2-shotting enemy players and most strong mobs. And I didn't even build for pvp.

Unrelatedly, co-op with strangers make me sad. Here I am, the symbol of badass, slamming gargoyles into the ground, tanking giant knights, taking some damage in the process... then the host won't heal me with his flasks, and I die to Smough's rush.

But I cannot be deterred! I try again. Host gets knocked off a ledge. FML

edit: I get +101 for the +2 tooth currently

[-Derp-]

Welp, this means the A stats scaling prowess is significantly more powerful in Dark Souls, as I was using a Demon's Souls formula.

Twisted, post your character's stats, soul level, rings (I'm guessing Havel's & Ring of Divine Protection), and equipment if you can. I'd like to see what you're using. (I know Havel's Armor and what not, but other than that.)

[TwistedImage]

Let me start this off by telling you that A scaling does not equal A scaling. My club +10 gets +159 damage from my 50 strength, whereas my greataxe gets +237.

Rings are Havel's Ring and Ring of Favour and Protection; level is 60. Equipment is all Havel's, including greatshield.

Stats (11 if not mentioned):

13 vitality
22 endurance
50 strength

[-Derp-]

Aight, sounds alot like a tank set-up. Its a surprisingly common set-up, I've fought many players with a set up similar to this. I usually end up backstabbing them, as they're pretty susceptible to it.

The scaling is actually based on the weapon's starting damage (Atleast with Demon's Souls), the formula I used to figure out scaling was:
D = Weapon Base Damage
S = Stat

A: 130 * (D * ( S / 99))
B: 110 * (D * (S / 99))
C: 90 * (D * (S / 99))
D: 85 * (D * (S / 99))
E: 12 * (D * (S / 99))

I don't know how accurate the formula is, but it at least explains why there's such a large difference in the scaling.


My current set up (A PvP build, work in progress)

(I dunno armor names, will be upgraded to +9 when I have access to Titanite Chunks.)
Pyromancy Hat +6
Dingy Chest Piece +6
Pyromancer Gauntlets +6
Bloodied Skirt +6

Weapons: Bandit Knife +6, Whip +10
Shields: Hollow Knight Shield +10, Pyromancer Flame +10

Rings: Hornet Ring, Dark Wood Ring (Ninja flip ring)

Stats:

Vitality: 12
Atonement: 16
Endurance: 9
Strength: 11
Dexterity: 15
Resistance: 10
Intelligence: 18
Faith: 11

Soul Level: 21

I am currently in Anor Londo.

I plan on upgrading the whip to electric, and having the dagger inflict magic damage. Backed with Pyromancies, there is no shield other than Havel's that I can't counter. At level 21, I don't think I'll have to worry 'bout that, and if they do happen to have it, I'll just stab them in the back as they'll be outrageously slow.

Any suggestions on the build?

[-Derp-]

Bump

Has anyone encountered any Vagrants?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqSfUPJZo7E

[TwistedImage]

Nope.

so i herd ds has a shitty online system

edit: also, those things really should spawn in fixed locations. They tend to fail horribly and get stuck, according to online discussion.

[-Derp-]

Apparently they spawn where you died if you died when you had a ton of humanity/souls. I haven't had one and I've put in a good 80 hours into DkS.

[Ramza]

This is from Dark Souls Wiki: ''Vagrants are rare monsters that appear in specific places where other players have died and lost a large amount of humanity or have dropped certain items in online mode.''

I want to find one. :P

[TwistedImage]

Huh.

New plan: DROP EVERYTHING ALL DAY ERRY DAY :D

Instead of feeding things to Frampt, I'll drop them in places vagrants would be horribly impractical to fight. Like by the mass of souls surrounded by 3 darkwraiths.

The 50/100/1000 souls isn't much anyway.

[-Derp-]

Another patch inbound, patch 1.04. (http://slumz.boxden.com/f13/dark-souls-patch-1-04-a-1633381/)

Dark Souls patch to rectify multiplayer issues

From Software has announced a new patch for Dark Souls, to address a handful of issues including some glaring multiplayer problems.

The patch details, posted on the developer’s website, have been translated on Neogaf, but apparently list just a few examples of changes planned, with more details to come soon.

* Fixes to certain spells and effects:
- Magic Shield, Strong Magic Shield
- Tranquil Walk of Peace
- Ring of Fog, etc.
* Unlimited uses of magic and items
* Regular weapons rebalanced against reinforced weapons
* Adjustments to the player matching conditions
* Loading problems when switching between maps

Of particular note is the matchmaking fix, as there have been reports of problems for those trying to find co-op buddies or invade other players, and a change to the Ring of Fog, which has rapidly become notorious for its overpowered use in PvP situations.

No date on the patch yet, which is listed only for PlayStation 3 at present, and will bring the game to version 1.04. From apologises for the inconvenience and promises an update soon.

This is at least the third patch the PS3 version has seen so far; online functions were disabled completely shortly after Japanese launch to fix multiplayer problems, and a second patch resolved a number of system freeze problems.



Ring of Fog nerf, thank god, it looks like they'll be removing the infinite soul trick and invulnerability via Great Magic Shield. (Yay)

However, it looks like Lightning and Fire weapons will be receiving a nerf.

[daviddavid]

dark souls in Xbox360 or should i say the dark souls it self is so hard XD once you died all of your souls will be gone but you can go to the place where you have died and get the souls you've lost XD

[-Derp-]

Dark Souls is only tough when you get frustrated and begin rushing - or when you try to play the game like Devil May Cry.

[TwistedImage]

Ehhh, it is a fairly hard game, really. At least when compared to other games.

You don't often see RPGs in which you take half your health in damage in addition to flinching from a regular enemy.

Or one in which a boss which is hard in itself suddenly becomes two (or four) bosses.

but yeah, not THAT hard. Be happy it doesn't have instakill traps a la Demon's Souls.

edit: Patch sounds amazingly awesome and I love From Software.

editedit: why "However" on lightning and fire weapon nerfs? They really were OP. You'll be putting out as much damage as a character with 50 strength just having a maxed out lightning/fire weapon - and then you'd have put all your points into vitality, endurance, resistance and attunement. Hardly balanced, if you ask me.

[-Derp-]

There were 1-hit traps in Demon's Souls? Since when? I remember the exploding balls and arrow traps (Including the Iron-Maiden thingy), but I remember being able to survive them if I had 100% health.

@Lightning Reduction

I'm disappointed because I farmed a bunch of Titanite Chunks to get a +4 Whip, so the time might not've been worth it.

[TwistedImage]

I never survived arrow traps. Probably because my first character wasn't all too tanky when it mattered.

As for titanite chunks, I average 2 chunks per run through lower New Londo with 6 humanity and covetous gold serpent ring on. Have you had less luck? :O

[-Derp-]

I've got around 60 humanity and am using the gold serpent ring and I usually get 0-1 chunks. The most I've gotten is 3, and I've done about 12-16 trips.


On the patch topic, I hope they increase Crystal weapon damage by like, 200 so they're actually used.

[Ramza]

I farm for chunks in the last level, before the boss. Two of those black knights 100% drop one.

But 60 humanity? Are you on NG+? Or have you been cheating? :P

[-Derp-]

I farm for chunks in the last level, before the boss. Two of those black knights 100% drop one.

But 60 humanity? Are you on NG+? Or have you been cheating? :P

Pvp Red Eye Stone, if you die you can collect your bloodstain. The bloodstain spawns where you were at before you're summoned, so its kinda hard to loose it. (This is on my PvP build, who is SL 22. My main character only has around 4 humanity.) The main reason I keep it so high is because it increases your defensive stats by a considerable amount.



Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggTcqp5RzEw&feature=player_embedded

[Ramza]

Oh, it increases defense as well? I thought only curse resistance and item find chance. It's why I never bothered to have more than 3 humanity at a time. I basically only use it to kindle and duel.

Nice video. :D

Also, something kind of weird happened to me. I'm just in NG+ on the first level, and I was invaded twice. But both times by people of a much lower level than mine (dead in one hit). It's like they were on normal NG, and invaded me on NG+ or something.

[-Derp-]

I know its possible to invade regardless of NG, however the soul level boundary hasn't been figured out yet, so there's a possibility that the minimum level to be invaded by is lower than that of Demon's Souls.

[TwistedImage]

Also, something kind of weird happened to me. I'm just in NG+ on the first level, and I was invaded twice. But both times by people of a much lower level than mine (dead in one hit). It's like they were on normal NG, and invaded me on NG+ or something.

So you were that level 69 fag with a furyblade I innocently invaded (and died horribly to) as a level 3 cleric.

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

on that note, I did experiment slightly with this on that cleric. I used the 4 red eye thingies you get at the start of the game - I invaded a wanderer at roughly my level, who I killed, and a level 69 guy with a rageblade, who instantly killed me. 2 invasions failed.

The implication is that there is no SL boundary for invading, only co-op. And the co-op boundary is ridiculously small.

[-Derp-]

That explains alot.

[Ramza]

Haha, invading a level 69 player on level 3. Tough luck. xD

I'm thinking it might depend on the invasion items you're using. Because the now 4 low level players that invaded me were all red spirits. So they must've used those red eye orbs (or whatever they're called), just like you. But there are about three other ways to invade.

[TwistedImage]

I've gotten my ass handed to me (instakilled) by much higher level players when I was about leve 25, too. Using forestbro ring.

[-Derp-]

Forest ring ignores level, this is proven. D:

[TwistedImage]

Do you know about Darkmoon Covenant Ring/Blue Eye Orb? How about Red Eye Orb (I assume that's the name)?

[-Derp-]

Do you know about Darkmoon Covenant Ring/Blue Eye Orb? How about Red Eye Orb (I assume that's the name)?

The Darkmoon covenant requires you to obtain the Darkmoon Senance? Ring found in the Catacombs. You have to wear it and go to Anor Londo at turn the spinning tower twice, so that it won't turn anymore. (So the top floor connects to the Painting.) Go down the spinning tower's staircase with the ring equipped and a statue will disappear.

Apparently, the Darkmoon Covenant Ring (Given to you once you're in the covenant) works similarly to how the Cat's Ring works. You'll be summoned to invade a person in Twilight Anor Londo. (/Spoilers contained)

The Blue Orb works similar to the Red Eye Orb, but you'll only invade a person who is considered guilty. You have to kill them and if you do, you'll receive a dried up ear.

Red Eye Orb works identically to the Black Eye Stone in Demon's Souls. Its obtained from joining the Darkwraith Covenant and increasing your rank to +1.

[TwistedImage]

I know all that, I was referring to level limitations!

[-Derp-]

I know all that, I was referring to level limitations!

Oh, my bad. Blue Eye Orb is <10%/>10% soul level, red eye orb is anyone. All summon rings ignore level.

[Ramza]

And co-op is also a max 10% difference. I've never been summoned yet though. I guess I'll probably have to waste 40 stats on faith to join that sun covenant. :I

[TwistedImage]

Yeah, you're borked if you don't get summoned early on. I keep a soapstone sign down all the time, and I still had to make a new character and camp the church for hours to get the requirement down to 35. >_>

[-Derp-]

If you get to the Kiln of the First Flame its usually easy(ier) to get summoned.

[TwistedImage]

I camped that for hours without getting summoned once, actually :/

[-Derp-]

Aight, should I use Dingy Robes +4 with Hornet Ring or Paladin's Armor +5 with Havel's Ring?

I will be invading in the catacombs and will be facing players from soul level 20 to 120+.

Using a rapier and pyromancer's flame.

[TwistedImage]

I'm still unclear on as to what the hell the hornet ring does. The wiki says Boosts Critical Strike damage by 50%. Does that apply to backstabs and parries (not that you'll ever parry because the online is usually laggy)?

Also, people at 120+ will probably be using scaling weapons, which for the most part deal physical damage (unless you're a snob with dat B/B/B/B scaling greatsword), making paladin's armour better against them. And even then, paladin's armour is better against everything, isn't it?

As long as you can still roll fast and don't depend on one-shotting your enemies (which is cheese and makes you a horrible person), I'd say go for paladin's.

Incidentally, I've been considering Leeroy's armour for my endgame build (though black iron is probably better). But the wiki doesn't mention its fully levelled up stats. Could you post them?

[-Derp-]

Hornet Ring causes the critical damage animations to change (The backstab animation is shorter and the opponent is kicked much further, the parry animation causes you to stab them twice.), I inflict 700 damage without the Hornet Ring, and 1000 with it. (Parries inflict around 1300 damage with the ring, but as you said, its hard to parry players.)


I truly depend on Combustion, which inflicts around 500 damage. A hard-hitting backstab is nice, but as you said, its cheap when it 1-hits them.

The +4 paladin chestplate has around 100 stats in the physical part, but is lacking in the element resists. (Around 40-60 for the elements.)

[TwistedImage]

So I upgraded the dragon king greataxe to +5.

It deals 40 less damage than the Demon's greataxe +15 at 50 strength.

It needs 50 strength to wield.

Wat.

Additionally, progressing at high speed through NG+. Gonna reach NG++ in no time at this rate. It's funny, I didn't even have the motivation to play through stonefang tunnel on my first NG+ in Demon's Souls. Guess Dark Souls is even more immersive.

Do any of you have problems with the game freezing completely? It pisses me off. I was just about to summon 2 phantoms to breeze through Anor Londo, then it froze.

[-Derp-]

I've never had it freeze, maybe your connection is causing it? :/

[TwistedImage]

No, the entire thing freezes and I have to manually restart the PS3. Not even the PS button works.

Maybe it's my system.

[-Derp-]

I've only heard of one other case of freezing, and that was on the Japanese version. Hmm... let's hope patch 1.04 fixes it.

[TwistedImage]

From lied!

I was just summoned by a level 70 player. I'm level 89. Yeah, that's right, more than twice the difference From said was cap.

[-Derp-]

Yeah, they did. :(


Anychance you've been effected by a gravelord/eye of death?

[TwistedImage]

Nope. I only recently started being human all the time.

A friend of mine has tried using eyes of death a lot, to no avail.

edit: People seem to prefer direct pvp, anyway.

[-Derp-]

From what I've heard you need to be in an area that you haven't defeated a boss, though I haven't been able to test it. :/

[Ramza]

I've been affected by a gravelord a couple of times. Only noticed it 1 time (the other times they probably died before anything could happen).
What happened was that when I killed a creep, a red spirit clone of that creep could spawn somewhere nearby. They are a bit stronger than usual as well, I believe.

Not many people seem to be using this covenant though. Mostly Forest, Darkmoon, and Darkwraith.

[-Derp-]

http://trendygamers.com/2011/11/02/dark-souls-patch-1-04-information/

Patch 1.04 notes

Notably:

Tranquil Walk nerfed.
Ring of Fog users are now targetable.
Scaling is useful now, lightning weapons nerfed (-5%).
Magic is nerfed.
Pyromancy scaling nerfed from 270 to 230.
Gold-hemmed clothing is nerfed.
Increased drop rate of humanity.
Dragon-head glitch and magic shield glitch will be fixed.

Giant Blacksmith will sell Twinkling Titanite for 8,000 souls.
Domnhal of Zena will sell the Master Key.




Also, I tested the Eye of Death.

It has the same effect as using a red soap stone, only they invade you.
They invade as a 'Spirit of Vengeance' and are blue.

I went full-dick on the invader and killed him when he was bowing, and he dropped an Eye of Death.
Yeah, Gravelord Servant sucks.

[TwistedImage]

ohdearchrist I will be OP

Normal weapons buffed. By a lot. My greataxe will pass 600 damage.

That's it, fuck greatsword of Artorias. I'm just getting 99 strength.

[Ramza]

Hm, I think standard weapons don't need to be buffed. A level 15 great axe already does more damage than about all rare weapons (except maybe some dragon weapons and Smough's Hammer). Rare weapons are supposed to do more damage than normal weapons, so I don't really get this.

And too bad there's no way the cheaters will be punished or something. People are walking around with millions of souls. Just check any of the top indicated players. All cheaters.

But lots of good stuff as well. Being able to buy twinkling titanite is really great. And ''Lowered requirements for Sunbro covenenant (requirements moved from 50 to 25. 3/4 assists should do the trick)''!

I went full-dick on the invader and killed him when he was bowing, and he dropped an Eye of Death.

Pff, really? :P
Happend to me twice. Hate it when they do that.

[-Derp-]

I only killed him like that to see if they drop anything, I didn't want to have to wait another hour to see if they'd actually come to me.
I did apologize to him. :/


I'm a little disappointed with the Twinkling Titanite being purchasable, I kinda wish they just increased the drop rate for it.

[Ramza]

Ah, fair enough. x)

But yeah, only an increased drop rate would be good as well. I'm glad either way. They are just way too rare right now (I found about 10 per playthrough).

[TwistedImage]

This is why we can't have nice things, Derp. I don't even bow because of that. :<

Also, pretty sure demon's greataxe is better than Smough's. I need 1 more strength to find out.

Why should Smough's be better, though? It's easier to get.

edit: ...try sniping things while wearing a symbol of avarice. I dare you.

[Ramza]

Smough's Hammer's base damage when fully upgraded is 415. One of the highest in the game (I think only some dragon weapons do more).

But I'm not sure why you keep going with the Demon's Greataxe? Even the normal Greataxe does more damage, and that's including scaling (I upgraded them both to level 10 to check). And the move sets are the same.
I did read that Demon's Greataxe does more stamina damage on a forum. But I'm not sure if that's true.

Or why not use the Great Club? Has A scaling as well, and a higher base damage than the Demon's Greataxe. Or the Black Knight Greataxe (I'm using this right now), which does slightly less damage (I think), but has a lot more range.

[-Derp-]

Demon's Greataxe's scaling will likely be increased to S with the next patch. It also has a sweeping attack which is much faster and wider than a normal Greataxe, which is invaluable in PvP.

[TwistedImage]

Oh God, imagine that axe with an S scaling.

And yeah, it's really goddamn good for PvP. The sweeping attack just doesn't miss, and it takes a huge chunk off the enemy health. My PvP tactic is basically just standing still, blocking everything the enemy does and R2ing if he comes close. It usually works.

Also, Greataxe is better than Demon's Greataxe? This is news to me. I'll upgrade my Greataxe to +15 and see if it's true.

As for the Great Club, it has a shitty move set. I was using a basic club up until I got my dragon's tooth, and I hated its move set so much. All I did was backstab things then R2 them because it was so lame. :<

[Ramza]

That would be nice, an S scaling. I don't believe there are ANY S strength scaling weapons yet?

But I didn't know Demon's Greataxe had a different move set than the normal one. Will check it out again.

By the way, I got summoned two out of three times today, within a minute (on the last level). I helped someone beat a boss, finally! :P
The other guy wanted to duel with other teams. Was fun as well.
The third time my summoning sign vanished. Probably because other people were spamming it too much.

[-Derp-]

At the moment, the only S scaling weapons are catalysts, and each of them have their own drawbacks. The S scaling pyromancy catalyst costs around 300k souls to fully upgrade, the magic catalyst cuts all charges in half.


I missed Soltaire, I took a detour route. Do you guys know if he re-appears later so I can get the soap stone?

[TwistedImage]

If he's gone from his original location I don't know what the hell is going on. Don't you have your soapstone from the first playthrough? Try checking his Anor Londo location.

Also, the S scaling pyromancy thing only has an S scaling for bashing your enemies with it, which is pretty worthless.

There's one more S-scaling though; the Black Bow of Pharis. I'm using it currently, and the S-scaling on it is really nothing to write home about. I get a tad more than 100 bonus damage from my 20 dex with a +15 bow.

[-Derp-]

This is on another PvP account, more of a tank type character than anything.
I have the master key and instead of taking on the Taurus Demon, I killed Havel and took a route through the forest. I tried going to Soltaire's location and ge wasn't there. He isn't at Anor Londo, the hell place (Can't spell its name), nor at the Sunlight Altar. :|


I didn't know about the bow's S rating, though I kinda think its useless with the Dragonslayer Bow.

[TwistedImage]

Have you killed the Taurus demon?

Also, is there an easy way to get Dragonslayer arrows? If so, do tell.

[-Derp-]

Yeah, I did kill the Taurus Demon. Still hasn't appeared. :/
I can confirm that you CAN'T enter fog gates from the other side. :>

Dragonslayer arrows can be bought from the Giant Blacksmith for ~100 a piece, or farmed from Silver Knights with bows. (They drop ~3 when dropped, they drop them at about the same rate that Painting Guardians drop Throwing Knives.)

[TwistedImage]

Bump!

I've been invaded a lot today. Being level 118 is delicious; most invaders are much, much lower level than me, and as such the fights are mostly blocking then the invader dying instantly to a backstab (backsmash?). Even if they backstab me with their silly lightning weapons I only lose half my health. :D

edit: at 62 strength.

Demon's Greataxe +15: 596
Smough's Hammer +5: 592

:D

[-Derp-]

Can you apply lightning/fire/poison to Smough's Hammer? If you can't, Demon's Greataxe will win hands down.

[TwistedImage]

I think you can.

But you can do that to the greataxe too.

Also, the hammer has slower attacks (albeit a much longer range) and a worse (much slower) 2-handed R2.

edit: The hammer's one-handed R2 is like 200 degrees though.

editedit: I just learned that the demon's greataxe has chaining power attacks. How badass is that? I used a one-handed power attack on an invader, and figured that the angle was okay and that I could do it again. Instead I went all Hulk and used an uppercut-style attack that threw him into the air.

Incidentally, that combo dealt over 1200 damage >_>

[Ramza]

edit: at 62 strength.

Demon's Greataxe +15: 596
Smough's Hammer +5: 592

:D

Ah, nice. xD
I'm still on 50 strength myself, and mainly upping vitality (which is at 65 right now). I'll wait for patch 1.04 to see how the scaling will be before I put more in strength.

But what do you mean with power attacks? R2?

[TwistedImage]

Yeah. Power attacks are R2. I figured I should vary my terms in case someone uses xbox.

Related, I'm now stuck on Slenderman and Buddha. I have no idea how to proceed. I'm trying to get Ornstein's armour because it looks awesome, but the dude's lightning impale thingy just instakills me. I wasted something like 15 humanity trying to kill them yesterday, and it never worked. Hell, Ornstein even destroys me with Iron Flesh on. Wat do?

[-Derp-]

You can:

Poison Him (Dung Pies & Throwing Knives)
Summon an Ally (Soltaire is on the other staircase)
Get the Ninja Flip Ring and avoid the hits
Use a crossbow/bow.
Or keep on trying melee.

[Ramza]

And you could try pyromancy as well.

[TwistedImage]

I got 'em by... wait for it... killing Ornstein first. >_>

How do fighting him with ranged weapons work? They seem horribly horribly useless, especially since Slenderman covers the entire room with one quick leap - which he can do while you're stringing your bow (especially if it's the dragonslayer). I did summon Solaire every time, hence why I lost so much humanity (I don't revive if I know I'm gonna repeatedly die, unless I need Solaire).

Ninja flip ring = hornet ring?

As for pyromancy, that wouldn't have downed him. I have 2 magic slots. :<

Not looking forward to this fight on NG+++. NG++ is terrifying already, even if that fight was the only extremely hard one.

[-Derp-]

Ninja Flip Ring = Dark Wood Grain Ring, acquired from joining the Forest Hunter covenant and killing the guy with the big scimitar's body guard.

I though you were already able to kill Smough >.>
To kill Smough you have to be able to roll (Which I doubt you can in full Havel's)
Just roll into his attacks (Except the charge), hit once or twice, and roll out.

You can kill Orenstein when he's in fatty form with ranged weapons, as he'll usually just chuck bolts at you. You dodge the bolt and fire off a round.

[TwistedImage]

65 strength, 20 dexterity.

Demon's Greataxe +15: 600
Greataxe +15: 571

Well, that was a waste of a titanite slab.

also, I just block all of Smough's attacks. Actually, I block all attacks in general.

[-Derp-]

Guys, I went trolling(?) in Dark Souls.

I equipped full onion armor, a catalyst, and a shield. I had the spells Chameleon, Cast Light, Aural Decay, and Strong Magic Shield, and began invading. I spammed Magic Shield so I was invulnerable, and used Chameleon, and followed people around as a pot. Didn't attack them unless they attacked me, and then I'd just parry them.

It hilarious what some people do, a third of the people I invaded killed themselves by rolling off cliffs.

[TwistedImage]

oh god the awesome. I need to try that. Need to! Too bad I'm not a darkwraith. And I don't know where to find Dusk. Or how to get onion armour... hurr.

I still can't +rep you. D:<

[Ramza]

You can buy Onion armor from the merchant in Sen's Fortress. No idea what you mean by Dusk?

About the Darkwraith thing, what I did was first ''complete'' all other covenants (took me about 3 hours to help 10 people for Warriors of the Sun), and then join the Darkwraiths. If you then finish the game, you will be Darkwraith for the whole next playthrough (unless you change covenants of course). So you can invade people starting at the very first level, unlimited. :)

It hilarious what some people do, a third of the people I invaded killed themselves by rolling off cliffs.

Accidentally? Or to just quickly end the fight on purpose? :P

But I'm wondering when that patch will be coming, by the way. It's been out like 2 weeks in Japan already?

[TwistedImage]

I'm chaos servant +2 for the shortcut to Lost Izalith at the moment. Don't intend to swap, since I plan to level up as far as it goes.

Dusk aka Dusk of Oolacile.

[Ramza]

Ohh, right. I looked that one up a couple of weeks ago, even though it's actually pretty easy to find by yourself.

After you kill the Hydra in that forest lake, near the four crystal golems, you must walk past the waterfall to the right (don't go up the ladder yet). Keep walking till you see a small cave with a golem in there. Destroy it, and done.

[-Derp-]

When you kill the Hydra, the golden golem might not spawn - if it doesn't reload the game. When you kill it, Dusk will spawn and then disappear. You'll have to reload the game (again) and then her summon sign should appear near where the Hydra was.

[-Derp-]

Patch 1.05 is out!

[TwistedImage]

...and right hand 1 is 690.

<3 S scaling.

Capra demons were nerfed, apparently. They stagger when I hit them once now, so I can just smash them thrice in a row to kill them. There's more narm when you get your bloodstain; RETRIEVAL!

Also, VICTORY ACHIEVED! I'd have preferred A WINNER IS YOU! but hey.

[-Derp-]

Do you know if the boss was nerfed too? That'd make it too easy >.>

[TwistedImage]

Nope, I've only killed the little ones.

How did the patch affect your non-faggot weapons? My occult demon's great machete was made a lot better, but the demon's greataxe scaled even better. I forgot checking Artorias' greatsword. :|

[-Derp-]

My weapons are about the same. (They're all chaos +5). They weren't nerfed or buffed. I know lightning was nerfed, and pretty much every weapon other than fire and lightning were buffed.

My dusk skirt was nerfed. :|

[Ramza]

Ah, right, the new patch. So now I can finally fully upgrade the Giant set then, I think (if the Twinkling Titanite chunks are indeed purchasable now).

No more TwoP, RoF, and cheats. Woo! :P

[TwistedImage]

I bought 14 twinklenites and am now wearing Black Iron +5. Kinda surprised at how it's barely any better than Smough's (it looks better and provides better stamina regen though, I believe). Why would you use Giant's set?

[Ramza]

It's got the highest defense, I think. Smough's is 109? I'd already upgraded the Giant armor before the patch, which I believe has 112 defense. Smough's armor still has the best fire resistance though, and Havel's armor has the best poise and curse resistance.

But what's the fully upgraded Black Iron armor defense?

[TwistedImage]

Black Iron Leggings and Gauntlets (+5) have higher physical defence than their Smough's counterpartsm especially when it comes to strike. Black Iron armour is .6 below in normal, considerably above in strike and infinitesimally below in the two remaining whose names I don't remember.

Black Iron has best fire res in the game. It's worse on the magic and lightning front than Smough's, though; Smough's has best lightning defence, Havel's has best magic defence I believe.

[-Derp-]

I just beat the game with a couple of friends; we'd switch control when someone died.

Soul Level 1 (Pyromancer)
Weapon: Reinforced Club (Lightning +5 eventually)
Shield: Tower Shield / Knight's Shield
Armor: Onion Helmet / Nothing
Time taken to beat the game: 6 hours 12 minutes

Worth every minute of the work taken to do so.

[TwistedImage]

i just beat the game with a couple of friends; we'd switch control when someone died.

soul level 1 (pyromancer)
weapon: Reinforced club (lightning +5 eventually)
shield: Tower shield / knight's shield
armor: Onion helmet / nothing
time taken to beat the game: 6 hours 12 minutes

worth every minute of the work taken to do so.

... D:

I must beat you

[Ramza]

Wow, that's fast. I spent over 90 hours on my first playthrough, heh (about 30 or so on NG++).

[-Derp-]

I was on Redbull, 5 A.M. in the morning when we finished.

We only died like fifteen times. Three against Gwyn, a couple vs the Four Kings, else we did fairly well.

[-Derp-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WlVBVKAFFg4

[TwistedImage]

oh god why does it look so awesome

shit i need a new processor

fuck i need a new pc

Also, I have been playing the game as a LEVEL 1 PYROMANCER, using a CAESTUS as a weapon. 5 hours in, and I've played linearly down to Ceaseless Discharge. It is... not going well. I spent like an hour on Quelaag.

[-Derp-]

Is the cestus upgraded or no?

...I kinda want to try that, tbh.
Maybe with claws...


Hopefully the PC version will come out as DLC for those using a game system. I hope, else it'll be another $60 down the drain.


anyhoo, currently I'm trolling kiddles in the painting world, using the gravelord covenant and hiding in the very beginning area before the bonfire. (The snow path allows you to walk up different sides and hide while invaders take ~10 minutes trying to find you.)


My current build is:
Pyromancer

SL: 30

Vit 10
Att 12
End 11
Str 26
Dex 9
Res 12
Int 25
Faith 8

Large Club+15
Divine Dagger+5 (parrying for teh lulz)
Oolacile Catalyst

Big Hat
Giant Armor +5
Hard Leather Boots

Havel's Ring
Dark Wood Grain Ring

Spells:
Crystal Magic Weapon
Homing Crystal Soulmass

The large club inflicts about ~860 damage when buffed, and has poison.

[TwistedImage]

I tried with an unupgraded caestus, then Quelaag was like HUEHUEHUE I INSTAKILL YOU AND YOU NEED TO HIT ME SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES TO WIN UMAD?

So I went and got it to +5.

[-Derp-]

Good luck with four kings.

:s

[TwistedImage]

Good luck with four kings.

:s

...

yeahno, I think I'm gonna give up on that character.

Maybe I'll make a caestus-only character allowed to level up.

On the topic of Four Kings, my "main" is stuck there. I'm in NG+++ and I can't figure out how the damage on their hits is calculated.

Their overhead swing either deals high damage (40% of my health), or outright instakills me. Same goes for their stab thing. This is, of course, assuming that I don't block (I don't have time to, because I'm screwed the moment two of them spawn).

Maybe I just suck. :D

[-Derp-]

Maybe I'll make a caestus-only character allowed to level up.

Maybe a level cap of ~30-40, with a Caestus+15? I think that's reasonable.

---

I'm assuming you're fully tanked up and still taking that damage.

I know getting hit by the hilt of their sword inflicts very little damage, but if that's killing you then you'll have to roll through everything, which is impossible.

Bows are actually decent against the four kings if you can deal more than ~400 damage per hit (which requires ~50 dex), or get the avylen(?) crossbow with lightning bolts as it can rack up some damage. You have to roll out of their attacks if you use this method.

If you can use pyromancies with the upgraded catalyst you can inflict ~1200 damage with the fire whip per cast, considering it hits twice.

If you have to go melee get either a Chaos+5 weapon, Black Knight Greataxe, or Greatsword of Artorias; those can dish out damage quickly enough to kill the Four Kings before the next one spawns.



EDIT: I wanted to say that there's a glitch going around in PvP, if you're doing it.
Using a dragon torso, no right hand weapon, and a bow in the other hand adds the damage together when backstabbing. With a hornet ring equipped you can deal ~20,000-30,000 damage per backstab.

This isn't too terribly bad if you're doing lower level PvP, but when you have 99 vitality, full Havel's, Mother Mask, Ring of Divine Protection, and someone one-hits you it's pretty surprising. (That's ~2,600 health, btw.)

[TwistedImage]

I don't have trouble actually killing them - I use my trusty Demon's Greataxe +15 and the strong magic weapon enchant to hit for like 700 every hit, 2-handed.

It's just that I sometimes get oneshotted by hits that usually don't do much, which is wat.

I actually got them down to one hit needed at one point. I had full health, then he hit me and I died. :(

[-Derp-]

Oh.

....

Oh. Well that's good.
The 'difference' between the hilt and the actual sword is very slim, I've had problems with that before too.

[TwistedImage]

So the gist of it is thus: Hug the fucker and beat him to a pulp? Sounds good. I'll try it.

[TwistedImage]

Oh God Derp, I love you so much

I went to fight the Four Kings with this tactic in mind. Worked like a charm. I vastly overestimated their damage output by hilt - it took about 10% of my health. All I had to do was block when approaching, then not give a shit about anything and bash them to death in melee. Pop an estus when half health, no problem. Get grabbed, use estus, no problem.

Seriously, I love you.

[-Derp-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8bCBkKst8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxCuAK1IcjM&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUHJ90zZETA&feature=relmfu

[TwistedImage]

jesus Christ.

How do people even find out about bugs like that, anyway?

[Ramza]

Or better yet, why do people want to? Sucks all the fun out of games, if you ask me.
I didn't even watch those videos though, so I don't know what kind of bugs you're talking about. But any kind of glitching is just sad to me. It's a bit like those people watching movies frame by frame, just to find a couple of goofs...

[TwistedImage]

He jumped off a cliff in front of the door after the Lordvessel well-thingy, quit the game and reloaded, thus getting into the Kiln just after obtaining the Lordvessel.

He played everything up until then legitimately, though, and it only took him like half an hour.

[-Derp-]

It was probably found by accident from someone falling off the side, raging, and quickly shutting off their game in an attempt to save their souls. Or some really bored Asian guy.

Nevertheless, the guy getting to fat boy slim in under ~30 minutes is... impressive.

The shortest speed-run without glitches was done in about ~2 hours, which is also... crazy.


---

Going to attempt a speed run to fat boy slim. Will post results.

[Ramza]

Yeah, that's really fast... Don't see why he ruined it with the cheating though. He could've had the fastest legit speedrun, I'm thinking.

[-Derp-]

0:31:32 - My time of opening the doors to get the lord vessel. (3rd try.)
0:29:20 - His time of opening the doors to get the lord vessel.


God.
I have to beat that.

[TwistedImage]

If it's any consolation, that probably puts you among the very best DS players out there.

[-Derp-]

Running past enemies isn't difficult, sure, the bosses are more difficult, meh.
You could pull it off, it's just that one or two mistakes you make (notably the Silver Knight Archers) that force you to restart.

I personally think the *best* person/people at this game are the ones that can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5uZJVXNFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJLRPQ8XJQY

[The_wand_mirror]

I sold this game, i just don't understand why i can't have a fucking checkpoint before a boss that i've already tried 15 times to beat. I can't run by the monsters between me and him and have to beat all of them every goddamn time and it's rather the boredom of this that causes mistakes not the difficulty.

[-Derp-]

...what boss were you having trouble with?

[Ramza]

Really, it's ''boredom'' that makes you fail against the same boss for 15 times? Are you sure? :I
Maybe you should've tried changing tactics or leveling up. It's open world for a reason.

[TwistedImage]

Every boss has a reasonably close bonfire. You could just tell us what boss that's getting your hackles in a bunch, and we could give you a few tips.

[The_wand_mirror]

I wasn't even far lol, not far at all.

Thing is, i just wanted a hard game. Not a game where when you die you have to do everything over. What about progression.

[TwistedImage]

Your progression is the skill that you, as a player, earn, as well as the levels that your character earns. It's less tangible than progression in other games, but oh so much more satisfying.

After your first playthrough, you can run through the game again without leveling - even though that seemed frankly impossible the first time. That reeks of fantastic game design.

[-Derp-]

Dark Souls expansion will come as $15 DLC and the computer version will be on Steam.

http://kotaku.com/5914504/dark-souls-coming-to-steam-computer-dlc-coming-to-consoles

[Ramza]

Yeah, heard about that. Too bad console players have to pay for it, but that's probably the publisher's fault, and not From Software's.

[TwistedImage]

The console version will be out after the PC version? Am I reading this right?

If the controls aren't critiqued as extremely clunky (as I expect they will), I'm probably buying it for PC.